But....you don't reload, so much of it is useless to you.
Bullet Construction: Hunting vs Match?
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Shoots100
.44 mag
The M16 and it's variants have been around for 60 years and dropped many millions of thin skinned game with 55 grain ball ammo.
Ball ammo is cheap, accurate and it works.
SJC
Ball ammo is cheap, accurate and it works.
SJC
"Killing" is making a hole for Blood to escape from a sealed system...Ball Ammo has done it since the the gun was invented...."Hunting" ammunition just digs a nastier, larger hole to make 'em bleed out quicker.
Shoots100
.44 mag
Both get the job done with kinetic energy transfer and cavitation.
Ball cost's a lot less so more trigger time to become more proficient with it.
SJC
Ball cost's a lot less so more trigger time to become more proficient with it.
SJC
Vapor
.308 Win
I see none of you have experience a 55 grwin soft point out of a 22" barrel bolt gun going through the bone of both shoulders on a doe..
You want a soft point in the 69-75 grain range for a 1:8. Make sure it's for game and not varmit(thin jacket). 55 grain will work as long as it's sp, but I like a little more weight . I would also limit my shots to 150 yard and in, maybe even closer if you're using a 16" barrel. For hunting I would prefer a 20" or longer
You want a soft point in the 69-75 grain range for a 1:8. Make sure it's for game and not varmit(thin jacket). 55 grain will work as long as it's sp, but I like a little more weight . I would also limit my shots to 150 yard and in, maybe even closer if you're using a 16" barrel. For hunting I would prefer a 20" or longer
I took two Deer at separate times approximately the same place ~150yds using a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle and Remington 55gr. Cor-Lok bullets with a shot to the base of the skull: Clean, Dead right there kills...placement is more important than damn near anything else.
Shoots100
.44 mag
I have no need for a .223, but have friends that have taken a lot of deer with ball ammo and the deer never knew the difference.
One pill to the noggin and it's lights out with no meat damage.
SJC
Vapor
.308 Win
I get what y'all are saying, but you can kill almost anything with a . 22 to the head. (Save maybe the largest bears).
I'm trying to point out that . 223 can still work in the boiler too.
I'm trying to point out that . 223 can still work in the boiler too.
Shoots100
.44 mag
Another option, if you're using a scary black gun, is to just change out your upper for a larger caliber. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with using .223 or maybe loading to 5.56 pressure levels. It's just that it's a simple and inexpensive swap and opens up a lot more choices for hunting ammo. That's just one of the great things about America's Rifle, modularity. Just a thought
Off the top of my head, I've got 'em in 18 different calibers if you include the 10's too.
Xae289
.223 Rem
This forum threat on Rokslide linked below is a wealth of information about hunting with .223/5.56. People posting pictures of very large game taken with the cartridge and the loads/ammo they used to take said game. The 77gr Sierra Tipped Matchking seems very well regarded, as does the 75gr ELDM among match bullets. Hornady has a 75gr Critical Defense that should do well based on gel tests. Federal Fusion, Hornady CSX. I've spoken to several people who have personally used .223 on deer and have heard of a few different ammos used. I've used .300 Blackout to take 2 deer and a coyote, which really isn't any more powerful a cartridge and it worked as well as anything else I've used.
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.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.
DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ 176 PAGES? HERE'S THE CHEAT SHEET. “Bullets matter more than headstamps.” “Spent primers offer the supreme tutorial”. I’ve read it here and elsewhere online. It got my attention. I started digging and asking questions and listened. The 77gr TMK delivered by a .223...
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camper4lyfe
.308 Win
I haven’t ruled out that option, but in pricing it out, I can buy a bolt gun in 6.5 creedmore for less (I may still do that). I’m really just trying to weigh my options at this point.
6.5CM was the greatest development in sporting ammunition in a Century until suddenly something a little bit better came along...The Comic-Book Gun Writers are second guessing it, but in reality it does just fine.except for Bear, Moose, Elk, etc, even these are a possibility with a proper shot.
Since the unjustified dismissal of the 6.5 the same way .40 S&W was shunned, prices on Rifles has come down.
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Yes you can get a cheap bolt gun, but you can get a nice upper in say 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 350 Legend among others that would only require a new complete upper and bolt along with possibly a magazine. The versatility and adaptability is something to consider. Obviously you're .223 upper is just a simple swap back and forth.The pricing seems to have come down quite a bit since my last build. Or of course you can get a dedicated bolt gun hunting rifle. I'm certainly not going to discourage it. Personally 6.5 PRC piques my interest, but I wouldn't discount the classics like .308 or .270. Both excellent hunting cartridges. I'm a fan of the new Browning X-Bolts. They run the gamut in features and pricing. Something for everyone but with a great action at the heart of it
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This forum threat on Rokslide linked below is a wealth of information about hunting with .223/5.56. People posting pictures of very large game taken with the cartridge and the loads/ammo they used to take said game. The 77gr Sierra Tipped Matchking seems very well regarded, as does the 75gr ELDM among match bullets. Hornady has a 75gr Critical Defense that should do well based on gel tests. Federal Fusion, Hornady CSX. I've spoken to several people who have personally used .223 on deer and have heard of a few different ammos used. I've used .300 Blackout to take 2 deer and a coyote, which really isn't any more powerful a cartridge and it worked as well as anything else I've used.
.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.
DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ 176 PAGES? HERE'S THE CHEAT SHEET. “Bullets matter more than headstamps.” “Spent primers offer the supreme tutorial”. I’ve read it here and elsewhere online. It got my attention. I started digging and asking questions and listened. The 77gr TMK delivered by a .223...
Couldn't disagree more, and if you asked the tech people at Sierra and Hornady, they would tell you the same thing. Sierra makes a Tipped Matchking and a very similar, but differently constructed Tipped Gameking. Gamekings are HUNTING bullets. Matchkings are for putting holes in PAPER TARGETS. In the same way, Hornady makes a ELDM and a ELDX. ELDM are MATCH bullets while the similar but differently constructed ELDX are HUNTING bullets. All one has to do is to look at the sectional designs to see the difference. Hunting bullets are designed with terminal performance in mind. That being, expansion. Match bullets are purely designed with flight characteristics in mind. Terminal performance is not a consideration at all. Therefore, an ethical hunter would choose a bullet designed for HUNTING.
In Sierra's realm of hunting bullets you will find bullets for different game. Blitzkings are hunting bullets, but designed for varmints. They virtually explode on contact. Using one on a large animal would not perform well. It would fail to penetrate deep into the vitals. Gamekings are for larger animals. Within the Gameking line there are bullets that are even more heavily constructed and designed for magnum cartridges. Hornady has similar offerings, as do all other major bullet manufacturers such as Nosler, Speer and Barnes to name a few. Just read the bullet descriptions in your reloading manuals. They describe the intended use and benefits of each bullet design.
Using a match bullet for big game is unethical as well as unwise due to the unreliable terminal ballistics.