Ca. New rules for ammo purchase

[Jmac00]

Now you really do have to be nuts to live in Mexifornia, good luck jumping through these hoops to buy ammo.

It looks to me that each purchase will cost the buyer $19? I just skimmed through this, so good luck.

and of course, LE is exempt. How long before the emperor tryies to duplicate these rules here

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/regs/ammo-text-of-regs-121418.pdf

 

[Podmonkey]

The only way to fight these unconstitutional laws is via universal non compliance. The Volkstead Act failed for this very reason.

 

[tirwin1]

Coming soon to NY state. I fully expect our idiot governor and his enablers in the legislature to enact laws that severely impact ammo sales. Probably require a purchase from an FFL, with a registry of every round purchased, and perhaps limits on individual transactions or even on an annual basis.

 

[Jmac00]

two things:

1) I reload, so i have no idea how this would affect reloaders

2) I go out of state a couple times a year, so I'll just make my ammo purchases out of state. I can have components shipped to friends or family in free states which will give me an excuse to go visit.

Unless these idiots pass a law nationwide, ammo sales will just move somewhere else

 

[Criticalt]

I buy 99% of my ammo in PA.
Also Ohio is pretty close.

Hopefully in this next year I will be completely out of NYS.
It really sucks when you work your entire life to make a life and the fucking state tries everything it can to destroy it.
Ive built a great life in NY, the state I was born and raised in.
I pay my taxes, I spend thousands of dollars a year in NYS and ive done NOTHING WRONG, but the state is making it impossible to live my life as I want.
Cuomo and his like should be ashamed and I have nothing but pure hate for these criminal abominations.

 

[BDinPutnam]

two things:

1) I reload, so i have no idea how this would affect reloaders

2) I go out of state a couple times a year, so I'll just make my ammo purchases out of state. I can have components shipped to friends or family in free states which will give me an excuse to go visit.

Unless these idiots pass a law nationwide, ammo sales will just move somewhere else

What do you do when you live in say Rochester and that "somewhere else" ultimately becomes say Virginia?

 

[2WheelGnnr]

my son is at alfred u. I will have to go into pa to buy ammo when I visit. the question is just how ridiculous will it get...there seems no end. goodness

 

[Deplorable Me]

Coming soon to NY state. I fully expect our idiot governor and his enablers in the legislature to enact laws that severely impact ammo sales. Probably require a purchase from an FFL, with a registry of every round purchased, and perhaps limits on individual transactions or even on an annual basis.

Coming soon? It's just currently unenforceable.

 

[Grimscale]

Cuomo and his like should be arrested, tried for Civil Rights violations, and incarcerated with no possibility of parole.

Fixed that for ya.

It's just currently unenforceable.

Not if they station NYSP at the major borders with free States, nor if they have undercover NYSP stationed at nearby free-State ammo suppliers gathering license plate numbers, or even if they apply political pressure to bordering States to force them to not permit out-of-State sales.

Unfettered tyranny always has ways to oppress free, law-abiding people.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Fixed that for ya.





Not if they station NYSP at the major borders with free States, nor if they have undercover NYSP stationed at nearby free-State ammo suppliers gathering license plate numbers, or even if they apply political pressure to bordering States to force them to not permit out-of-State sales.

Unfettered tyranny always has ways to oppress free, law-abiding people.

Once upon a time in the 1920's it was illegal to have alcohol in the US. Look at the shit storm that caused.

 

[Saltwater60]

Fixed that for ya.





Not if they station NYSP at the major borders with free States, nor if they have undercover NYSP stationed at nearby free-State ammo suppliers gathering license plate numbers, or even if they apply political pressure to bordering States to force them to not permit out-of-State sales.

Unfettered tyranny always has ways to oppress free, law-abiding people.

A few problems with that. I have committed no crime buying ammo in PA unless that’s in the law.
NYSP can not conduct enforcement actions in PA so watching you buy ammo in PA and reporting it to NYS would be illegal.
NYSP can not pull over every NYS plate coming from PA to NY. It just won’t happen. Also place the ammo in your trunk out of sight since they need a reason to search your vehicle and a simple traffic infraction is not a reason.

 

[Saltwater60]

It seems there is a one time fee of $19.00 then $1.00 every time you purchase. I only read it quick as well.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

The Indians need to open drive thru ammo stores at their casinos and on their reservations in NY and elsewhere. FUAC!

 

[2WheelGnnr]

ammo...get yer ammo and cigarettes here!! ammo.....cigarrettes......get em here cheapest around....NO NY TAXES...

ammo........cigarettes......
9mm here, 5.56, .223,.243, .308........get yer 7.76 here......357 6 creedmore....get em here!!!!!!

cheapest here on the res land........No reporting.....ammo...........ammo......cigarettes.........

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Now you really do have to be nuts to live in Mexifornia, good luck jumping through these hoops to buy ammo.

It looks to me that each purchase will cost the buyer $19? I just skimmed through this, so good luck.

and of course, LE is exempt. How long before the emperor tryies to duplicate these rules here

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/regs/ammo-text-of-regs-121418.pdf

What a reveneur's wet dream that crap is! WOW! I expect that every NY government official will be blowing their loads at the mere prospect of passing something like that in NY (and anywhere else the anti's get control...)

 

[BDinPutnam]

The Indians need to open drive thru ammo stores at their casinos and on their reservations in NY and elsewhere. FUAC!

Can they get FFL's?

Legit question, I honestly don't know.

 

[Acer-m14]

Once upon a time in the 1920's it was illegal to have alcohol in the US. Look at the shit storm that caused.

really like that song ..

and still ... there are tv shows on moonshine running now .. really lol ..

Can they get FFL's?

Legit question, I honestly don't know.

IMHO .. there sovereign .. we fked them enough .. they should do it .. just because .. they can ..

back in the day of the ice storm .. oh when was it .. does it matter when .. .. we had a group of Indian firemen and there old fire truck came to Groveland and helped out for the few weeks ..

there still selling Cigs to anyone .. just the non Indian gets busted ..


FUAC FUNY ..

 

[Modean]

I fully expect nonsense like this to come to NY next year. My Christmas present to myself was a large ammo purchase from an online vendor.

 

[Target]

If they only put that kind of effort in stopping cocaine or illegals ...

What are they going to do? Serial # on each round? Tax stamp on ammo boxes? Maybe pass a law that any ammo sold in NY must have fuchsia colored cases / lead and neon green powder?

 

[Saltwater60]

The Indians need to open drive thru ammo stores at their casinos and on their reservations in NY and elsewhere. FUAC!

I was just there getting gas and asked the kid when they were going to start selling ammo. He just smiled and laughed.

 

[camper4lyfe]

I was just there getting gas and asked the kid when they were going to start selling ammo. He just smiled and laughed.

It's a brilliant idea and potentially a HUGE business for them.

 

[Blimey]

It seems there is a one time fee of $19.00 then $1.00 every time you purchase. I only read it quick as well.

Yes, it's $1 each time but if there is a problem with the first check you pay a one-time $19 fee that won't have to be repeated.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

out of state vendors have loosened up and will ship to NY. Anything the furher does will potentially stop out of state shipping. No biggie if you live near the border

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

A few problems with that. I have committed no crime buying ammo in PA unless that’s in the law.
NYSP can not conduct enforcement actions in PA so watching you buy ammo in PA and reporting it to NYS would be illegal.
NYSP can not pull over every NYS plate coming from PA to NY. It just won’t happen. Also place the ammo in your trunk out of sight since they need a reason to search your vehicle and a simple traffic infraction is not a reason.

None of this is needed. Only for surrounding states to agree to do something/ do something to cover their ass. PA already does this type of thing with fireworks. There is a section for NYrs and a section for PArs.

 

[subsonic]

A few problems with that. I have committed no crime buying ammo in PA unless that’s in the law.
NYSP can not conduct enforcement actions in PA so watching you buy ammo in PA and reporting it to NYS would be illegal.
NYSP can not pull over every NYS plate coming from PA to NY. It just won’t happen. Also place the ammo in your trunk out of sight since they need a reason to search your vehicle and a simple traffic infraction is not a reason.

That's all true.

That being said, and I know some of you are paranoid about "giving them ideas," but cigarette tax provides the model NYS could end up using if they got serious about going down that road. The "SAFE" Act doesn't do this, but the way it happens with cigs is they don't stop the rampant smuggling, but they do cause a lot of grief. But mostly for resellers. Private individuals buying for personal consumption pretty much have impunity.

 

[Acer-m14]

but cigarette tax provides the model NYS could end up using if they got serious about going down that road. The "SAFE" Act doesn't do this, but the way it happens with cigs is they don't stop the rampant smuggling, but they do cause a lot of grief. But mostly for resellers. Private individuals buying for personal consumption pretty much have impunity.

and who put how many cartons I can buy on the rez and be ok .. like hell i smoke 40 cartons a week .. FUAC

 

[Truebeliever]

A few problems with that. I have committed no crime buying ammo in PA unless that’s in the law.
NYSP can not conduct enforcement actions in PA so watching you buy ammo in PA and reporting it to NYS would be illegal.
NYSP can not pull over every NYS plate coming from PA to NY. It just won’t happen. Also place the ammo in your trunk out of sight since they need a reason to search your vehicle and a simple traffic infraction is not a reason.

You are incorrect. They can and do such actions now for fireworks.

They can go in to PA and watch and report. They can not do straw sales or do any actual enforcement until you are back in NYS . But observation is not enforcement. Do not be fooled.

They can watch people buy the ammo , get into their car, watch them drive over the border and have a team of police pull you over if they make importation of ammo a crime as they did in CA.

They can even follow you back to your house and get a search warrant.
Don’t anyone get in trouble for misunderstanding the law and how it can be enforced.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You are incorrect. They can and do such actions now for fireworks.

They can go in to PA and watch and report. They can not do straw sales or do any actual enforcement until you are back in NYS . But observation is not enforcement. Do not be fooled.

They can watch people buy the ammo , get into their car, watch them drive over the border and have a team of police pull you over if they make importation of ammo a crime as they did in CA.

They can even follow you back to your house and get a search warrant.
Don’t anyone get in trouble for misunderstanding the law and how it can be enforced.

So is there probable cause to search the trunk being that when they did their observing they were doing so as citizens in PA and not police?

I'll say it. Revenuers doing unconstitutional Revenuer shit. It's disgusting. They aren't doing it for safety.

 

[That_FNG]

So what if one goes to pa and buys ammo and then drives to a fed ex / ups location in pa and mails it to myself in ny? No ammo in my car when I cross the border back into Ny

 

[BDinPutnam]

So what if one goes to pa and buys ammo and then drives to a fed ex / ups location in pa and mails it to myself in ny? No ammo in my car when I cross the border back into Ny

Nice paper trail to establish mens rea aka you knew you were skirting the law.