congress-blocks-amendment- to stop-integration- of us-and-Israeli-militaries
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Why? What is your investment in Israel?
Here are the Scum! All APAIC ers!
These are the members of the House Rules Committee which blocked a vote on the Massie/Khanna Amendment to kill Section 219 of the NDAA.The Chairwoman is this geriatric, Virginia Foxx.(Expand to see all members)Majority (Republicans)• Chairwoman Virginia Foxx (R-NC) —
@virginiafoxx
• Michelle Fischbach (R-MN) —
@RepFischbach
• Ralph Norman (R-SC) —
@RepRalphNorman
• Chip Roy (R-TX) —
@RepChipRoy
• Erin Houchin (R-IN) —
@RepHouchin
• Nick Langworthy (R-NY) —
@RepLangworthy
• Austin Scott (R-GA) —
@AustinScottGA08
• H. Morgan Griffith (R-VA) —
@RepMGriffith
• Brian Jack (R-GA) —
@RepBrianJack
Minority (Democrats)• Ranking Member Jim McGovern (D-MA) —
@RepMcGovern
• Mary Gay Scanlon (D-PA) — @RepScanlon• Joe Neguse (D-CO) —
@RepJoeNeguse
• Teresa Leger Fernández (D-NM) —
@RepTeresaLF
These are the members of the House Rules Committee which blocked a vote on the Massie/Khanna Amendment to kill Section 219 of the NDAA.The Chairwoman is this geriatric, Virginia Foxx.(Expand to see all members)Majority (Republicans)• Chairwoman Virginia Foxx (R-NC) —
@virginiafoxx
• Michelle Fischbach (R-MN) —
@RepFischbach
• Ralph Norman (R-SC) —
@RepRalphNorman
• Chip Roy (R-TX) —
@RepChipRoy
• Erin Houchin (R-IN) —
@RepHouchin
• Nick Langworthy (R-NY) —
@RepLangworthy
• Austin Scott (R-GA) —
@AustinScottGA08
• H. Morgan Griffith (R-VA) —
@RepMGriffith
• Brian Jack (R-GA) —
@RepBrianJack
Minority (Democrats)• Ranking Member Jim McGovern (D-MA) —
@RepMcGovern
• Mary Gay Scanlon (D-PA) — @RepScanlon• Joe Neguse (D-CO) —
@RepJoeNeguse
• Teresa Leger Fernández (D-NM) —
@RepTeresaLF
Bigfoot
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Why not?
Cause, Treason. Did you read the ins and outs? Of course you didn't!
Because such an attachment undermines sovereignty, independence and objectivity.
Now you answer the question "why?"
Bigfoot
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Bigfoot
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spat
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Which allies are those ? Seems like most of our middle Eastern allies are cheering for the end of the Iranian threat.
In general the Arabs are far more supportive of this war than the Europeans.
Isreal of the 1970s was neck deep in their own problems. You are the only person who thinks they should have sent troops to Vietnam LOL.
We didn't send any troops to support them during the Arab Isreali war, why would they be expected to send theirs to Vietnam ?
It would have been really silly for them to send 1000 troops to Vietnam at the time. Should we have sent 10,000 of ours to Isreal to replace them because "allies" LOL.
holdover
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reading is a thing. your opinion is pretty worthless. If you had read any of what I posted you would see its a hell of lot more than Intell sharing.
You really think all this about is Intell sharing? WTF!
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holdover
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that was the point . they were all on Israels side. in regards to your reasoning of why they didn't help in Iraq. or in Vietnam or in Korea
holdover
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More excuses. shits getting old. They also said they wouldnt send ground troops Iran if we invaded. same ol same ol .
Tell me when you start to see the pattern
holdover
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There are none so blind as those who will not see. They dont want to see it . Nothing like this has ever been done in our history and they shrug it off like it means nothing. and if you stand up for your country, your an antisemite . sounds like the left .
patriots are antisemites, you cant be a America first patriot without being an anti semite.
You cannot serve 2 masters.
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Robin
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No one with dual citizenship, no matter the country should be able to hold an elected office. Seems pretty simple, pretty sensible, and pretty doable to me.
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spat
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You think they were on Isreal's side in the 1970s ?
During the Vietnam war ?
Are you at all familiar with what was going on in the middle east on say October of '73 ? Or say June of '67 ?
As for 'allies' helping in Vietnam. Maybe you need to go back and re-read your history.
The French weren't there to help us. We got dragged into that mess to help them out.
You also mentioned the Koreans.
You realize we *still to this day" have troops in Korea defending them. Can't say that about Isreal.
No, the only reason you think this Isreal deal is anything special is because of your massive ignorance about what's normal with the rest of our allies.
You claim to be "America first", but you buy every piece of anti-american propaganda our enemies put out there.
Ask yourself, who benefits if we split from Isreal, and we lose the only western democracy in the middle east ?
Yep, that's a Chinese wet dream.
Now, who do you think is responsible for your opinions ? Because it sure as hell isn't something you deduced on your own.
They stand for nothing. Weak NPC's
holdover
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yes all the propaganda from Rand Paul Bernie Sanders Benjamin Netanyahu Tucker Carlson Megan kelly, Catherine Austin Fitts: Lt COL Karen Kwiatkowski Judge Andrew Napalitano , Thomas Massie and various US senators
Heres a fact you call propaganda:
On June 5, 2026, AIPAC released a press release applauding the House Armed Services Committee's passage of Section 224, along with funds for several US-Israel cooperative programs, writing, "We now encourage the full House to maintain these pro-Israel measures as the NDAA moves toward final passage."[41]
Your so full shit . You call facts propaganda . because you are a liar
holdover
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OK Ill bite, Who benefits ?? Im going to go out on a limb and say the US benefits 100%
except for the senators and congressmen being bribed by APAC money, laundered from the US tax payers, they stand to lose a lot , and maybe the defense contractors would lose quite a bit too.
holdover
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I posted many references that you failed to read from various pro US sources .
Thats what he does, run the mouth with no sauce.
Real MAGA!!
USS Liberty survivor Phil Tourney has a message for ZOG politicians and their supporters on July 4th:
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USS Liberty survivor Phil Tourney has a message for ZOG politicians and their supporters on July 4th:
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holdover
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He has no answer for the Liberty
spat
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Yea, but for the most part they don't say what you claim they say.
Absolutely none of them support the notion that this would "integrate" the US and Isreali militaries in any way that we aren't already integrated with a dozen other allies.
Some of your sources (Rand Paul comes to mind) believe we are far too integrated with those other allies, and in many ways I agree with him.
But he isn't saying that this anything unprecedented, or that it will make us any more integrated than we already are with other allies.
Of the only two guys here who find your "evidence" convincing, one thinks gravity is a conspiracy theory, and the other thinks everyone who disagrees with him about anything is "a lib". If you want to convince anyone else, you'll really need to figure out why people don't think your "evidence" says what you claim it says.
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holdover
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Absolute nonsense. this proves you didnt read the references I posted.
Senator Bernie Sanders wrote that the section "quietly expands U.S. military cooperation and weapons development with almost zero oversight," adding the section was tantamount to "burying a provision in the defense bill that would give Israel more military integration than any NATO ally."
How clear can it be?? what are you missing here??
Massie succinctly summarized that position felt by U.S. citizens, stating, “If Section 219 is signed into law, the American people should see it as Congress fully capitulating our nation’s autonomy to foreign influence.”
never been done with any allie ever
The concept, in effect, is not to reduce support for Israel’s military; it is to shift it from the foreign-operations budget and the State Department’s oversight to the Pentagon’s procurement, research and development, industrial base, and sustainment machinery.
Once that migration is complete, aid in the conventional sense — a grant administered through foreign-assistance legislation, subject to State Department conditions, and debated annually in foreign-policy terms — will largely disappear. In its place will be a web of procurement contracts, co-production arrangements, licensing deals, and sustainment pipelines that are governed by acquisition law, managed by program offices, and justified in the language of US military readiness and industrial capacity.
shift it from the foreign-operations budget from the State Department’s oversight, to the Pentagon’s procurement, research and development, industrial base, and sustainment machinery.
Section 224 would be a different beast entirely. It would fuse the U.S. and Israeli defense sectors in multiple areas vital to the battlefields of the future, like autonomous systems and cyber. It would also bring extraordinary Israeli influence to the U.S. beyond what it already has through the Israel lobby and its robust network of social media influencers. It would give the Israeli government the opportunity to greatly expand one of the most powerful levers of influence in U.S. politics: jobs in the U.S. By expanding or starting new co-production facilities like it already has in Mississippi and Arkansas, the Israeli government could boast of providing jobs on U.S. soil, thereby securing allies among members of Congress who re
Basically stating, No congressional oversight. there are no allies that have this , this is unprecedented . furthermore, If congress wished to stop support for Israel it would require stopping support for the pentagon , in other words extremely difficult to stop because its all in the pentagons budget and they decide how to spend the money, not congress
to say this is the same support we give other allies is complete bullshit on its face . this isnt just shareing intelligence, and no other country in the world has access to the pentagon .this is where the main contentions begin
No other relationship has an “executive agent” with precedence and authority advocating for integration within the Department of Defense. No bilateral defense cooperation with the United Kingdom, NATO, Japan, or Australia has a dedicated DoD EA whose authority takes precedence over other DoD components and whose job it is to promote the participation of one particular country in a broad array of sensitive US programs. The standard architecture assigns the under secretary of defense for policy as the principal staff assistant for all security cooperation, with the DSCA as the implementing arm.9The initiative creates a parallel institutional lane for one country only, through the EA.
So when you try to say its the same as its always been, or its just intell, or other countries have total access to the pentagon, your talking out of your ass. You cant just make shit up .
Cooperation without Oversight: The United States–Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative
The “United States–Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative” seeks to accelerate the US–Israel defense technology partnership.
quincyinst.org
a country, especially Isreal , will aways act in in its own best interest, and they will be putting pressure on the pentagon in ways which will benefit them selves naturally . There can and will be a conflict of interest in our own government by its own nature , your opinion that its the same as anyone elses is disingenuous when its clear its not
Spat I know your not a stupid guy ( most times) I know you know full well what Im saying. So if your not stupid , then your loyalty is not with the US , there are no benefits for us here . Your not misunderstanding anything I posted , I dont think it requires any further explanation
and I really dont want to continue this conversation with you any longer. Ive posted the bill itself , you can read it ,
holdover
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holdover
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Well buddy, you have only 1 or 2 Israel first fanatics that seem to support what Your saying too.
My evidence outweighs your opinions
holdover
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So, if the initiative is not giving the United States access to new technologies or adding authorities, what is the point? The real impact of the provision is structural, with the creation of an executive agent role and a focus on integrating Israeli technologies and companies into US supply chains. The cooperation initiative tasks the EA with “synchronizing cooperative efforts between the United States and Israel, to expand and accelerate bilateral defense technology research development, testing, evaluation, integration, and industrial cooperation …”7The provision would bias internal DoD processes toward US–Israel integration.
The EA designation has specific legal meaning under DoD Directive 5101.01. A DoD EA is the head of a DoD component to whom the secretary of defense or the deputy secretary of defense has assigned specific responsibilities, functions, and authorities to provide defined levels of support for operational missions or administrative or other designated activities that involve two or more DoD components. Most importantly, within the scope of assigned responsibilities and functions, the DoD EA’s authority takes precedence over the authority of other DoD component officials performing related responsibilities and functions.8
The United States has many comparable bilateral agreements with countries like the United Kingdom, Japan, Australia, and with NATO. However, there are significant differences in the approach the initiative takes.
In addition to the cooperation initiative, complementary efforts toward this end have appeared in multiple legislative initiatives, which go beyond defense industrial cooperation to deeper intelligence integration:
quincyinst.org
The EA designation has specific legal meaning under DoD Directive 5101.01. A DoD EA is the head of a DoD component to whom the secretary of defense or the deputy secretary of defense has assigned specific responsibilities, functions, and authorities to provide defined levels of support for operational missions or administrative or other designated activities that involve two or more DoD components. Most importantly, within the scope of assigned responsibilities and functions, the DoD EA’s authority takes precedence over the authority of other DoD component officials performing related responsibilities and functions.8
The United States has many comparable bilateral agreements with countries like the United Kingdom, Japan, Australia, and with NATO. However, there are significant differences in the approach the initiative takes.
- No other relationship has an “executive agent” with precedence and authority advocating for integration within the Department of Defense. No bilateral defense cooperation with the United Kingdom, NATO, Japan, or Australia has a dedicated DoD EA whose authority takes precedence over other DoD components and whose job it is to promote the participation of one particular country in a broad array of sensitive US programs. The standard architecture assigns the under secretary of defense for policy as the principal staff assistant for all security cooperation, with the DSCA as the implementing arm.9The initiative creates a parallel institutional lane for one country only, through the EA.
- Entrenchment in the supply chain is a goal. Unlike other arrangements, this initiative explicitly contemplates industrial cooperation that would embed Israeli technology within the US defense supply chain, meaning US policymakers would face large costs and time delays should it ever be determined that this arrangement is no longer aligned with US interests.
In addition to the cooperation initiative, complementary efforts toward this end have appeared in multiple legislative initiatives, which go beyond defense industrial cooperation to deeper intelligence integration:
The US can already access Israeli military technology
Proponents of the initiative argue that the provision will ultimately save American lives and benefit the US military by giving the US access to Israeli defense technology and coproduction arrangements. Israel’s defense technology does have demonstrable military value in specific domains, including systems to counter unmanned aircraft systems, or UAS; active protection systems; and missile defense. That is not in dispute. The question is whether the institutional mechanism that the cooperation initiative would create is necessary to access that value, and the answer is no. Through existing authorities under 22 U.S.C. § 2767(j)(1), 10 U.S.C. § 2350a, and standard Foreign Military Sales, or FMS, and Direct Commercial Sales, or DCS, the United States can already obtain the Israeli defense technology that it needs.
Cooperation without Oversight: The United States–Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative
The “United States–Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative” seeks to accelerate the US–Israel defense technology partnership.
quincyinst.org