Cops Holds Open Carry Activist At Gun Point & Arrest Him For Exercising his Second Amendment Right

[Saltwater60]

A wise person once told me, just because you "can" doesn't mean you "should"

But I do appreciate what he was trying to do, if we can't actually exercise our rights, do they really exist in practice???

I can appreciate his end game as well but after what happened he should have picked up his gin and left. He should not have reloaded it standing in front of the cops. Get in the car, leave, then reload the mag. It’s never wise to piss those off that outgun you heavily.

I don’t agree with what the cops did and they violated his rights for sure. I also don’t agree with the courts saying he was arrested so his rights weren’t violated, really many get arrested and released because it turns out they didn’t commit a crime. To me they can’t have it both ways.
As you said just because you can doesn’t mean you should. Good life lesson.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

I can appreciate his end game as well but after what happened he should have picked up his gin and left. He should not have reloaded it standing in front of the cops. Get in the car, leave, then reload the mag. It’s never wise to piss those off that outgun you heavily.

I don’t agree with what the cops did and they violated his rights for sure. I also don’t agree with the courts saying he was arrested so his rights weren’t violated, really many get arrested and released because it turns out they didn’t commit a crime. To me they can’t have it both ways.
As you said just because you can doesn’t mean you should. Good life lesson.

AGREE 100% here ^^^^^^

 

[OwnTheRide]

I can appreciate his end game as well but after what happened he should have picked up his gin and left. He should not have reloaded it standing in front of the cops. Get in the car, leave, then reload the mag. It’s never wise to piss those off that outgun you heavily.

I don’t agree with what the cops did and they violated his rights for sure. I also don’t agree with the courts saying he was arrested so his rights weren’t violated, really many get arrested and released because it turns out they didn’t commit a crime. To me they can’t have it both ways.
As you said just because you can doesn’t mean you should. Good life lesson.

"A right not exercised is a right lost"

I understand your point that folks that do this kind of thing are putting themselves in harm's way regardless of the fact that they are exercising their Constitutional rights. That said, the fact that these rights were paid for in blood certainly suggests they're worth defending with the same potential cost.

 

[Zerex]

In 1850 you do what he did........population 23 million

In 1950 you could also, population 150 million
In 1975 likely too...........population 215 million.

With an insane population today of 350 million inc 20 million illegals and 50 million, essentially lawsless BLM, half of whom cannot pass a NICS check, walking about with an AR 15 today will get you dead in most burgs..and that is good.........saves lives.

IT is not 1850 anymore despite sovereigns warped ideas that it is so.

This perp has not done it again.,,,,,,,,,,,probably because he lost his gun rights due to the Jury conviction, of a GROSS MISDEMEANOR in Wa Satate, that has been upheld.

He now lives in Kansas, after his suicide attempt, and costly court proceedings that failed to exonerate him.

He may not be able to pass a NICS yet today.

Go ahead do it in NYS at a mall........you ain't got no rights do it.....prove me wrong.

 

[MothMan]

 

[Defilade]

In 1850 you do what he did........population 23 million

In 1950 you could also, population 150 million
In 1975 likely too...........population 215 million.

With an insane population today of 350 million inc 20 million illegals and 50 million, essentially lawsless BLM, half of whom cannot pass a NICS check, walking about with an AR 15 today will get you dead in most burgs..and that is good.........saves lives.

IT is not 1850 anymore despite sovereigns warped ideas that it is so.

This perp has not done it again.,,,,,,,,,,,probably because he lost his gun rights due to the Jury conviction, of a GROSS MISDEMEANOR in Wa Satate, that has been upheld.

He now lives in Kansas, after his suicide attempt, and costly court proceedings that failed to exonerate him.

He may not be able to pass a NICS yet today.

Go ahead do it in NYS at a mall........you ain't got no rights do it.....prove me wrong.

Since the 1850 Constitution is still valid today, those are not warped ideas. What is warped is where we are now cherry picking what laws are "Allowed" and are not. That's not how it works. The Warped are those who are stepping on our rights and need to be dealt with. That's how this Country was founded.

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[Defilade]

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[Celt]

After all these years, i just tried out the ignore feature.

 

[Saltwater60]

"A right not exercised is a right lost"

I understand your point that folks that do this kind of thing are putting themselves in harm's way regardless of the fact that they are exercising their Constitutional rights. That said, the fact that these rights were paid for in blood certainly suggests they're worth defending with the same potential cost.

I don’t disagree with you but he went out asking for and looking for trouble. His failure point was doing it on private property. I think if he did this on public property and just left at the first point he would not have been arrested. I see these types of videos regularly where people challenge this stuff. I fully support his right and him doing what he did, but it was stupidest for him to reload his firearm at that point and go back on private property.

 

[repete]

In 1850 you do what he did........population 23 million

In 1950 you could also, population 150 million
In 1975 likely too...........population 215 million.

With an insane population today of 350 million inc 20 million illegals and 50 million, essentially lawsless BLM, half of whom cannot pass a NICS check, walking about with an AR 15 today will get you dead in most burgs..and that is good.........saves lives.

IT is not 1850 anymore despite sovereigns warped ideas that it is so.

This perp has not done it again.,,,,,,,,,,,probably because he lost his gun rights due to the Jury conviction, of a GROSS MISDEMEANOR in Wa Satate, that has been upheld.

He now lives in Kansas, after his suicide attempt, and costly court proceedings that failed to exonerate him.

He may not be able to pass a NICS yet today.

Go ahead do it in NYS at a mall........you ain't got no rights do it.....prove me wrong.

Just like a blind squirrel will every once in a while find a nut, you too have every once in a while, had a good point. But that's NOT TODAY! I think I'm done reading your nonsensical posts and have awarded you the IGNORE prize. Thank you for participating.

 

[Zerex]

I represent reality...............................we can no longer carry an AR in public on city streets today, without predictable LE interactions, and likely arrest........................ and loss of gun rights forever.


1850 is not 2026.........SCOTUS rulings prove it.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

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Free beer tomorrow guys

 

[Beerman]

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That’s great for Virginia, but why isn’t NYS and Hochul in her crosshairs???????

 

[JunkBoxFull]

That’s great for Virginia, but why isn’t NYS and Hochul in her crosshairs???????

Because the AR15 is not banned in NYS, Spermburgler outright banned them in Virginia.

 

[GOPerfect]

My thoughts on this guy, I really don't care. I truly don't.

The coppers were ALL wrong in this case.

There is always a right way and a wrong way to approach this type of situation.

They chose the wrong way.

Happens far too often in these Once United States.

So glad I no longer wear a uniform.

 

[fresch]

You know when you are talking to a good cop when you ask, so if I need to shoot them what happens? Then they respond with just make sure the are in the door threshold when we get here.
A real question and responce, Texas 1978, and it was a female officer telling me this.

 

[spat]

I represent reality...............................we can no longer carry an AR in public on city streets today, without predictable LE interactions, and likely arrest........................ and loss of gun rights forever.


1850 is not 2026.........SCOTUS rulings prove it.

That depends entirely on what city you're talking about.

 

[Zerex]

Regardless of long gun type, or open carry pistol on your hip, people will notice you "parading" on the street............. and call 911.

911 was not available in 1850.

Your problem is not with the cops, but with your everyday citizens driving by, who throw you under the bus.

Your neighbors, ex wife, girlfriend, etc.......... ARE YOUR PROBLEM.

Clarence Thomas just gave a lecture on the Dec Ind...............noted it was not law, and that Gov't does have the right to arrest and imprison you for crimes.......

 

[spat]

Regardless of long gun type, or open carry pistol on your hip, people will notice you "parading" on the street............. and call 911.

911 was not available in 1850.

Your problem is not with the cops, but with your everyday citizens driving by, who throw you under the bus.

Your neighbors, ex wife, girlfriend, etc.......... ARE YOUR PROBLEM.

Clarence Thomas just gave a lecture on the Dec Ind...............noted it was not law, and that Gov't does have the right to arrest and imprison you for crimes.......

If Sally soccer mom calls 911 because someone's red hat offends her, she's a douche.

But if some cops get that call and think that means they need to *do* something about the hat, they're a problem.

Sally should be educated, but those cops should be fired. Her ignorance is her problem, but their ignorance is a public danger.

It's the same thing for open carry.

 

[pshift]

We are all fans of the 2nd Amendment but remember that "He who plays stupid games, gets stupid prizes."

 

[GOPerfect]

As for these types of calls/incidents....

If available, when a call comes in... "Man with a gun in the parking lot", the Police have to respond. In today's climate, I have no issue with the Police arriving with the idea bad stuff may be happening. Nature of the beast in the world that we find ourselves in.

I will never blame the Police for arriving on scene with their guard up, high.

I do take issue with how many of them respond in these situations.

 

[Defilade]

Regardless of long gun type, or open carry pistol on your hip, people will notice you "parading" on the street............. and call 911.

911 was not available in 1850.

Your problem is not with the cops, but with your everyday citizens driving by, who throw you under the bus.

Your neighbors, ex wife, girlfriend, etc.......... ARE YOUR PROBLEM.

Clarence Thomas just gave a lecture on the Dec Ind...............noted it was not law, and that Gov't does have the right to arrest and imprison you for crimes.......

What crimes?

 

[spat]

As for these types of calls/incidents....

If available, when a call comes in... "Man with a gun in the parking lot", the Police have to respond. In today's climate, I have no issue with the Police arriving with the idea bad stuff may be happening. Nature of the beast in the world that we find ourselves in.

I will never blame the Police for arriving on scene with their guard up, high.

I do take issue with how many of them respond in these situations.

Yes, they need to *investigate*. But as soon as the investigation fails to produce any evidence of an actual crime, they need to apologize for wasting the citizen's time and leave.

Maybe contact the caller to educate them if that's an option.

OfC, if the original call doesn't even allege an actual crime, maybe you don't waste anyone's time. 911 dispatchers should be trained to filter out Karen calls.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

Regardless of long gun type, or open carry pistol on your hip, people will notice you "parading" on the street............. and call 911.

911 was not available in 1850.

Your problem is not with the cops, but with your everyday citizens driving by, who throw you under the bus.

Your neighbors, ex wife, girlfriend, etc.......... ARE YOUR PROBLEM.

Clarence Thomas just gave a lecture on the Dec Ind...............noted it was not law, and that Gov't does have the right to arrest and imprison you for crimes.......

So, when do WE start arresting the government and putting THEM in prison, for THEIR crimes? Askin for a friend.

 

[Defilade]

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[JunkBoxFull]

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Anything the government does is a scam operation. Its like the bully in school demanding that you give him your lunch money.

 

[Saltwater60]

As for these types of calls/incidents....

If available, when a call comes in... "Man with a gun in the parking lot", the Police have to respond. In today's climate, I have no issue with the Police arriving with the idea bad stuff may be happening. Nature of the beast in the world that we find ourselves in.

I will never blame the Police for arriving on scene with their guard up, high.

I do take issue with how many of them respond in these situations.

Of course this makes sense in this day and age. It also makes sense for someone to call the police on you. You need to expect that even in the most conservative of places.
I get guns being in hands, but not sure it was wise of them to point their guns at them during this. I also think it was stupid for them to request him take the gun off. They could have handled it better. Keep your hands up and let’s talk. Then they could have talked, determined no laws were being broken, and then be on your way immediately. Where is your car and we will escort you there and be gone because you’re causing a disturbance on private property and they ask you leave.

He was stupid to reload and insert the mag into the gun again. Pick up the gun, mag, and rounds, then hightail it out of there after that. Reload the gun the next black over and leave.

 

[Saltwater60]

Yes, they need to *investigate*. But as soon as the investigation fails to produce any evidence of an actual crime, they need to apologize for wasting the citizen's time and leave.

Maybe contact the caller to educate them if that's an option.

OfC, if the original call doesn't even allege an actual crime, maybe you don't waste anyone's time. 911 dispatchers should be trained to filter out Karen calls.

It’s hard to educate and deter a caller from calling the police in a situation like this. What if next time they shoot up a school.

 

[spat]

It’s hard to educate and deter a caller from calling the police in a situation like this. What if next time they shoot up a school.

What if next time the cops miss a serial killer they could have stopped because they're wasting time on non-crimes called in by Karen's?

Police in general *do not prevent individual crimes*.
People need to get it out of their head that they do, or even should.

Police clean up the mess afterwards, that is all.

They will reduce crime in general by getting criminals off the street, and by providing a deterrence to crime in general.

But looking for cops to identify a crime in progress and prevent it is worse than the "why didn't you just shoot him in the leg" crowd.

 

[Rap]

Do you know the answer to this ?

I don't believe there's even an exception for protected classes for trespassing.

Someone could put up a properly worded "no blacks/gays/muslims/whatever" and those people could still be charged with trespassing, right ?

They could sue the property owner civilly (maybe, depending on the property ?), and a judge could order the owner to take down the signs (maybe ?), but that doesn't mean they couldn't be charged with trespassing while the signs were still there ?

Wishful thinking, huh?