Current State Election Audits of 2020

[ArmedCorgi]

If they can prove Biden was complicit in the fraud, they could impeach him.

We would then have President Harris.

If she can be shown to be in on it too, then Pelosi gets to move to 1600 PA Ave.

If by some chance SCOTUS ruled that the entire election was invalid and completely throws out the results, then we get Pelosi again.

Trump's term ended in January. There is no possible way to legally return him to the office without another election.

We get Polosi but would new elections be held or does she assume the role for the duration of what was ruled a fraudulent election? At that point why would it matter if Biden had something to do with it or not? He wasn't elected and shouldn't be president. It honestly bothers me that even if it comes to light that Biden was not the winner of the election that he would remain in office. How can it be that an unelected person occupy the highest office in the country? Everything he does would be fraudulent because it wasn't the will of the people that he be there.

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

If the Election is invalidated we are in uncharted water and no-one can predict what lies ahead. If it invalidated because of fraud it doesn't mean President Biden gets to stay in office anymore than a thief gets to keep his loot until sentenced. It doesn't mean Donald Trump becomes President or that any member of Congress or a State Legislature is legitimately installed in their office through that fraudulent election. There is not an acceptable amount of fraud. It's not that there was fraud but it wouldn't have changed the result. Proof of fraud invalidates the whole thing. Is there an acceptable amount of fraud you will accept on your credit card or bank account?

 

[spat]

We get Polosi but would new elections be held or does she assume the role for the duration of what was ruled a fraudulent election? At that point why would it matter if Biden had something to do with it or not? He wasn't elected and shouldn't be president. It honestly bothers me that even if it comes to light that Biden was not the winner of the election that he would remain in office. How can it be that an unelected person occupy the highest office in the country? Everything he does would be fraudulent because it wasn't the will of the people that he be there.

Biden was elected to office. By the electors that each state sent to represent them.

There is no question about what electors AZ chose to send, or how they voted.

That is all that matters.

You forget, you do not vote for the president. You vote for a guy who promised to vote for a certain candidate.

The fact that some of those electors might have been chosen based on a fradulent election doesn't invalidate their vote.


Think of it like this. If we found out that Pelosi lost her last election and was only installed by fraud, does that mean that every law she voted on is invalid ?

Does the federal budget that she passed get revoked ?

How far down that rabbit do you think we should go ?

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Think of it like this. If we found out that Pelosi lost her last election and was only installed by fraud, does that mean that every law she voted on is invalid ?

Does the federal budget that she passed get revoked ?

How far down that rabbit do you think we should go ?

I should say so. She is not supposed to be there. If someone sells you stolen goods and is caught, do you get to keep what they sold you? If you go to a college that was fraudulent and turned out to not be accredited, does your degree still count?? No.

 

[spat]

If the Election is invalidated we are in uncharted water and no-one can predict what lies ahead. If it invalidated because of fraud it doesn't mean President Biden gets to stay in office anymore than a thief gets to keep his loot until sentenced. It doesn't mean Donald Trump becomes President or that any member of Congress or a State Legislature is legitimately installed in their office through that fraudulent election. There is not an acceptable amount of fraud. It's not that there was fraud but it wouldn't have changed the result. Proof of fraud invalidates the whole thing. Is there an acceptable amount of fraud you will accept on your credit card or bank account?

There is always fraud.

Every election has some.

So if you say any election with any amount is invalid, then we have *never* had a legitimate one.


So, you *must* set a threshold of "acceptable".

That doesn't mean you accept the fraud, just accept the results of the election despite the fraud. You still prosecute the shit out of the fraudsters and strive to eliminate the path they used in future elections.


I think an election where the suspected fraud is less than 10% of what's necessary to affect the outcome is probably acceptable.

Note, that is total suspected fraud, not detected fraud. If you find one guy cheating you can be reasonably confident he is not the only one. You would have to extrapolate "detected fraud" to "suspected fraud" based on how accurately you believe you can detect it.


Just like the number of drunk drivers is much higher than the number of convictions for drunk driving.

 

[spat]

I should say so. She is not supposed to be there. If someone sells you stolen goods and is caught, do you get to keep what they sold you? If you go to a college that was fraudulent and turned out to not be accredited, does your degree still count?? No.

It is not possible to unwind all that legislation.

What happens to the contractors working on the projects she approved ? Do they get paid ? Or are they just SOL ?

If the company you work found is found to be defrauding the feds, do you have to return all your paychecks for the last year ?

What if they are a customer ? You hauled some goods for a company, but it turns out they bribed someone for the contract to sell those goods to the feds, do you have to pay *that* money back.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

It is not possible to unwind all that legislation.

What happens to the contractors working on the projects she approved ? Do they get paid ? Or are they just SOL ?

If the company you work found is found to be defrauding the feds, do you have to return all your paychecks for the last year ?

What if they are a customer ? You hauled some goods for a company, but it turns out they bribed someone for the contract to sell those goods to the feds, do you have to pay *that* money back.

All good questions that have nothing to do with having someone in the office of president illegally. What if Biden was installed by a foreign government? Does he still get to stay? If he is a fraud, then everything he does is fraudulent.

 

[spat]

I should say so. She is not supposed to be there. If someone sells you stolen goods and is caught, do you get to keep what they sold you? If you go to a college that was fraudulent and turned out to not be accredited, does your degree still count?? No.

I have an even better question.


Since Biden signed the final approval for the last stimulus check, if he is thrown out, does that get reversed ?

Are 100 million people supposed to refund that money back to the feds ?


No, what you are suggesting is a practical impossibility.

 

[spat]

All good questions that have nothing to do with having someone in the office of president illegally. What if Biden was installed by a foreign government? Does he still get to stay? If he is a fraud, then everything he does is fraudulent.

Which one of the 535 electors who chose him was a spy for a foreign government ?

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I have an even better question.


Since Biden signed the final approval for the last stimulus check, if he is thrown out, does that get reversed ?

Are 100 million people supposed to refund that money back to the feds ?


No, what you are suggesting is a practical impossibility.

The logistics of something like that come after his removal. Should we continue to allow him to write checks after he is exposed to be fraudulent? No.

 

[livingston]

Best we can hope for is to show how Democrats have been cheating for years.. Then make an effort to fix it

 

[Defilade]

All good questions that have nothing to do with having someone in the office of president illegally. What if Biden was installed by a foreign government? Does he still get to stay? If he is a fraud, then everything he does is fraudulent.

NO!! Then it turns into a National Security issue! I think an E.O was signed in 2018.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Which one of the 535 electors who chose him was a spy for a foreign government ?

You're asking me? I'm asking hypothetical questions. I would assume that if that were the case and it came to light that he was installed, we would know who it was.

 

[spat]

The logistics of something like that come after his removal. Should we continue to allow him to write checks after he is exposed to be fraudulent? No.

He was duly elected by the 535 electors who the states designated to represent them. There is no question about this.

Now if some of the states were tricked into choosing the wrong electors, that's a different problem.


But nobody is claiming that the votes that AZ's 11 electors cast weren't counted properly.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

He was duly elected by the 535 electors who the states designated to represent them. There is no question about this.

Under potentially FALSE pretense.....hello. But since you say so, I guess that elections really don't mean anything huh?

 

[spat]

You're asking me? I'm asking hypothetical questions. I would assume that if that were the case and it came to light that he was installed, we would know who it was.

It was a rhetorical question intended to point out that Biden was actually elected by 535 people, and nobody is questioning how any of them voted.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

It was a rhetorical question intended to point out that Biden was actually elected by 535 people, and nobody is questioning how any of them voted.

Anyway man, I don't want to get crazy with this. How is AZ treating you so far?

 

[spat]

Under potentially FALSE pretense.....hello. But since you say so, I guess that elections really don't mean anything huh?

No, the popular vote doesn't mean anything.

The electors were originally appointed by the state legislators. They represent the state itself, not the citizens of that state.

If AZ allowed fraud to influence who *they* chose to represent them, that is their problem.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

No, the popular vote doesn't mean anything.

The electors were originally appointed by the state legislators. They represent the state itself, not the citizens of that state.

If AZ allowed fraud to influence who *they* chose to represent them, that is their problem.

But they vote based off of the consensus of the population, no?

 

[spat]

Anyway man, I don't want to get crazy with this. How is AZ treating you so far?

Really well, thanks.

Haven't got much shooting done, but I did put some steel about 100 yards off the end of the driveway.

If I pull the wife's car out of the way I can sit in the shade while I shoot


I really need to build a proper range, looking to buy a used mini excavator with the proceeds from the sale of the Geneseo house, but that's still tied up in paperwork.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Really well, thanks.

Haven't got much shooting done, but I did put some steel about 100 yards off the end of the driveway.

If I pull the wife's car out of the way I can sit in the shade while I shoot


I really need to build a proper range, looking to buy a used mini excavator with the proceeds from the sale of the Geneseo house, but that's still tied up in paperwork.

Awesome! I'm glad to hear it. I haven't been able to shoot much yet either. Though, it has been fun buying stuff I never used to be able to, lol. Vettech and I hope to get some land soon. When we do, I'll be putting a range in for sure.

 

[spat]

But they vote based off of the consensus of the population, no?

Now, but there is no constitutional requirement for that.

The constitution says the state legislature decides how their electors are chosen. All the states have chosen a popular vote (with some variations).

The constitution allows them to do whatever they want though. The legislature could say "the governor gets to pick them himself" or "we have our prospective electors play a round of golf and go with the crew with the best scores".

The founders considered a direct democracy to be dangerous, and considering where we are today, I think they were right.

 

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[Grimscale]

No, the popular vote doesn't mean anything.

The electors were originally appointed by the state legislators. They represent the state itself, not the citizens of that state.

If AZ allowed fraud to influence who *they* chose to represent them, that is their problem.

The electors were "elected". Obviously had the count gone the other way then different "electors" would be chosen.


If we, as a Country, allow an illegitimate government to continue, even after finding evidence that the count should have gone the other way, then we stop being a Country and devolve into anarchy.

If they prove that Biden only "won" in the swing states due to fraud, and they say "oh well, he's there now, we'll leave him there", half the Country will denounce him, and really mean it this time.

Any Law he signs will have no strength.
Any appointment he makes will be moot.
Any Treaties made are questionable.
I will immediately stop paying Federal taxes. (the whole taxation without representation thing)

They will have no choice but to mobilize the military and clamp down on the Country en mass.

It's one thing to say "not my President" just because you lost. It's quite another when they try to force an illegal government on the People.
If they find that rampant fraud (more than the 10% you mention - I'm talking about MULTIPLE STATES) and the usurper and his cronies aren't removed from office, it will be civil war.

 

[fresch]

So the wall is still being built or did bidong cancel President Trumps orders and return money to the military?

 

[spat]

The electors were "elected". Obviously had the count gone the other way then different "electors" would be chosen.


If we, as a Country, allow an illegitimate government to continue, even after finding evidence that the count should have gone the other way, then we stop being a Country and devolve into anarchy.

If they prove that Biden only "won" in the swing states due to fraud, and they say "oh well, he's there now, we'll leave him there", half the Country will denounce him, and really mean it this time.

Any Law he signs will have no strength.
Any appointment he makes will be moot.
Any Treaties made are questionable.
I will immediately stop paying Federal taxes. (the whole taxation without representation thing)

They will have no choice but to mobilize the military and clamp down on the Country en mass.

It's one thing to say "not my President" just because you lost. It's quite another when they try to force an illegal government on the People.
If they find that rampant fraud (more than the 10% you mention - I'm talking about MULTIPLE STATES) and the usurper and his cronies aren't removed from office, it will be civil war.

They are electORS not electEES.

They do the electing. The constitution did not originally have them elected by popular vote at all.

They do not represent the people. They represent the states and are appointed (not elected) by the states.

Every state has chosen to use a vote to decide which electors they will appoint, but the constitution says nothing about that.

In fact the electors are not even required to vote the way they promised to do when appointed, and frequently do not (google faithless elector).


So, overturning the vote of the electors because the state was duped into appointing the wrong ones is akin to letting people have a do over on their personal vote once they found out they were being lied to by the media (about pretty much everything in that election).

The only way to get Trump back is via a new election.

 

[Steal2B]

They are electORS not electEES.

They do the electing. The constitution did not originally have them elected by popular vote at all.

They do not represent the people. They represent the states and are appointed (not elected) by the states.

Every state has chosen to use a vote to decide which electors they will appoint, but the constitution says nothing about that.

In fact the electors are not even required to vote the way they promised to do when appointed, and frequently do not (google faithless elector).


So, overturning the vote of the electors because the state was duped into appointing the wrong ones is akin to letting people have a do over on their personal vote once they found out they were being lied to by the media (about pretty much everything in that election).

The only way to get Trump back is via a new election.

Not exactly. 33 states have requirements binding the Electors and some include civil or criminal penalties and replacement of a elector who does not follow the will of the State's electorate.

"The Uniform Faithful Presidential Electors Act that provides for electors to pledge to vote for a candidate, and for them to be replaced with an alternate in the event that they do not vote as pledged."

Faithless Elector State Laws - FairVote

 

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Why did they stop counting ballots in numerous key states on the night of a presidential electionâ

Why did they stop counting ballots in numerous key states on the night of a presidential electionâ #AuditTheVote

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