De Blasio moves to ban natural gas hookups: 'Literally' our 'only choice is renewable energy'

[livingston]

De Blasio moves to ban natural gas hookups: 'Literally' our 'only choice is renewable energy'
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is pushing forward with a green agenda, calling for a ban on natural gas hookups on new buildings in the city by 2030.

“We need to make clear that New York City will renounce fossil fuels fully. Therefore, we need to ban fossil fuel connections in the city by the end of this decade, literally ensuring that our only choice is renewable energy,” de Blasio said in his " State of the City" address on Friday.

De Blasio’s goals include moving the New York City government to run on “renewable energy in the next four years.” The plan relies on Canadian hydropower, imported into the United States through new transmission lines. Lawmakers in San Francisco passed a similar ordinance in November last year.

All construction after June 2021 must use electricity instead of gas for cooking, heating, and cooling. The announcement comes after 41 cities have adopted plans to reduce reliance on natural gas.

De Blasio moves to ban natural gas hookups: 'Literally' our 'only choice is renewable energy'

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is pushing forward with a green agenda, calling for a ban on natural gas hookups on new buildings in the city by 2030.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Toecutter]

Bwahahahaha NyC 100 year old electric grid is buried and falling apart.

 

[libertysnake]

I'll be honest, electric stoves suck for evenly heating imo.

Gas is dangerous if you're an idiot, but it's not that dangerous. It's a ticking time bomb if you don't have a sense of smell. That's why they scent it to hell so it's impossible to not know you have even a little bit leaking. And even then, if you look at the data, it's extremely rare you're going to die in a gas explosion in your home.

Overwhelmingly the only time gas is dangerous is when someone hooks it up in a sloppy way, ignores the smell or doesn't scent it, and then further ignores the problems. @1075tech can probably speak to it further, but that's my understanding of why gas is fairly safe if you're not stupid.

 

[1075tech]

Just a year or so ago. when the gas companies put a moratorium on new hook ups, because they don't have the infrastructure because FUAC won't allow new pipelines, FUAC and Blabio had a fit and threatened to pull their license.

 

[Catskillkid]

Canadian hydropower? Clean green energy but really bad for fish populations. Decisions...decisions.

I'm sure we'll just convert every acre of land upstate into solar and wind farms to power the city. Won't be any problems there either.

 

[Toecutter]

Canadian hydropower? Clean green energy but really bad for fish populations. Decisions...decisions.

I'm sure we'll just convert every acre of land upstate into solar and wind farms to power the city. Won't be any problems there either.

 

[1075tech]

Gas is dangerous if you're an idiot, but it's not that dangerous. It's a ticking time bomb if you don't have a sense of smell. That's why they scent it to hell so it's impossible to not know you have even a little bit leaking. And even then, if you look at the data, it's extremely rare you're going to die in a gas explosion in your home.

Overwhelmingly the only time gas is dangerous is when someone hooks it up in a sloppy way, ignores the smell or doesn't scent it, and then further ignores the problems. @1075tech can probably speak to it further, but that's my understanding of why gas is fairly safe if you're not stupid.

Gas can be extremely dangerous if you're an idiot, or just don't know what you're doing. Interestingly, the natural gas industry has few regulations compared to the propane industry. Thankfully, gas explosions in the home are fairly rare. But, more common with natural gas IMHO. When they happen in the propane world, almost all are because someone failed to follow some regulation or a homeowner/contractor did something stupid. I've seen garden hoses and plastic water lines used. Very rarely do they occur without some level of human error. It honestly amazes me how more people don't kill themselves.

 

[1075tech]

So, shut down Indian Point, which supplied something like 30% of the electricity to NYC, and then tell NYC they have to electrify. Makes perfect sense.

 

[Toecutter]

Years ago my friend bought an apartment in Brooklyn I went there to help him change light fixtures. We took a wall sconce off the wall and there was an old gas lamp line terminated in the electric box.

 

[Gonzobird]

Canadian hydropower? Clean green energy but really bad for fish populations. Decisions...decisions.

I'm sure we'll just convert every acre of land upstate into solar and wind farms to power the city. Won't be any problems there either.

When i moved to Lewis County I would look at all the windmills and think to myself "Wow that is great, I love that I live in a place that has wind energy." THen I was handed a reality check and told that lal tha energy goes right to the city....

 

[Cooolone]

Complete exhibition of mental instability and deficiency!!!

 

[Saltwater60]

All I can say is 2030 will be here before we know it and I don’t see this happening. There’s just no way. How does it feel that some lonely asshole like me knows he’s a failure already. Then it will just never come up again.

 

[Jmac00]

When Natural gas is delivered to your building, it comes from the street at about 90psi, it then comes up to your regulator and is reduced to about ¼ psi, or 7" of water column ( w.c. ) {when pressure goes below 1 psi, we switch to inches of water column for accuracy. in some commercial/industrial applications there maybe a second regulator down stream from the meter.}
it hits your meter, which then turns a few dials so the utility company knows just how far to shove it up your ass.
the NG comes out of the meter and goes to each and every appliance that uses NG, each appliance then reduces the gas pressure further through another regulator called 'Da Gas valve' and is set to the appliance manufactures recommendations, usually 3.5" w.c.

NG is oderless, colorless, and lighter than air, but during the manufacturing process the producers add Mercaptan, so your wife will know when there is a leak, trust me, women can smell NG L O N G before men can. im sure it has something to do with mother nature and the universe, but i dont know how to explain it.

the gas company has certain regulations, ie: the regulator, from the street, is ALWAYS installed to the left of the meter, the "stub out" from the home should be at least 3", the gas company owns everything up to and including the gas meter, everything after the meter is all you, period.

so if your house becomes ground zero for a small nuclear explosion, your survivors will not be able to sue the gas company, but you can sue the last guy that tampered ( fixed ) your appliance and/or the person that left the gas on without a pilot lite.

with NG, its actually difficult to fuck up. it would have to be something fairly deliberate.

of course, most of this goes out the window if you switch to propane, 'cause with propane, you fuck that up, propane go B O O M

LOL

 

[libertysnake]

Gas can be extremely dangerous if you're an idiot, or just don't know what you're doing. Interestingly, the natural gas industry has few regulations compared to the propane industry. Thankfully, gas explosions in the home are fairly rare. But, more common with natural gas IMHO. When they happen in the propane world, almost all are because someone failed to follow some regulation or a homeowner/contractor did something stupid. I've seen garden hoses and plastic water lines used. Very rarely do they occur without some level of human error. It honestly amazes me how more people don't kill themselves.

I let a master plumber do my gas line. The guy does good work. Not cheap, but I'd rather good over cheap. I forgot what he used for the flexible line that goes to the stove, but I know it wasn't the cheapest option we had line wise.

I'm not really an expert on gas either @1075tech , but I assume there is a regulator (sitting where the flexible hose goes to the pipe / shutoff point) that exists that limits how much gas can even enter the flexible connection going to the stove in the first place. So if hooked up correctly, any leak is going to be limited to begin with, yes?

 

[1075tech]

When Natural gas is delivered to your building, it comes from the street at about 90psi, it then comes up to your regulator and is reduced to about ¼ psi, or 7" of water column ( w.c. ) {when pressure goes below 1 psi, we switch to inches of water column for accuracy. in some commercial/industrial applications there maybe a second regulator down stream from the meter.}
it hits your meter, which then turns a few dials so the utility company knows just how far to shove it up your ass.
the NG comes out of the meter and goes to each and every appliance that uses NG, each appliance then reduces the gas pressure further through another regulator called 'Da Gas valve' and is set to the appliance manufactures recommendations, usually 3.5" w.c.

NG is oderless, colorless, and lighter than air, but during the manufacturing process the producers add Mercaptan, so your wife will know when there is a leak, trust me, women can smell NG L O N G before men can. im sure it has something to do with mother nature and the universe, but i dont know how to explain it.

the gas company has certain regulations, ie: the regulator, from the street, is ALWAYS installed to the left of the meter, the "stub out" from the home should be at least 3", the gas company owns everything up to and including the gas meter, everything after the meter is all you, period.

so if your house becomes ground zero for a small nuclear explosion, your survivors will not be able to sue the gas company, but you can sue the last guy that tampered ( fixed ) your appliance and/or the person that left the gas on without a pilot lite.

with NG, its actually difficult to fuck up. it would have to be something fairly deliberate.

of course, most of this goes out the window if you switch to propane, 'cause with propane, you fuck that up, propane go B O O M

LOL

Propane vapor comes out of your tank at anywhere between 50 - 150 psi. Pressure is dependent on temperature. It goes through a first stage regulator which reduces it to 10#. Before it enters your house, it goes through a second stage regulator which further reduces it to <14" water column pressure. There are a few exceptions to this. Most propane appliances run at 10" - 13" w.c.

If you hook up a natural gas appliance to propane, you'll generally get a large, orange, sooty flame. Gives off a lot of CO. Not all gas appliances can be converted to propane.

They add Ethyl Mercaptin to make it stink. This stuff is potent. 1# treats 10,000 gallons. Women have a keener sense of smell than men. I went on a lot of gas odor calls where the guy would say he didn't smell anything but his wife would.

Either a NG or LPG explosion will turn your house to toothpicks. NG is lighter than air so it tends to collect at ceilings or in attics. LP is heavier and will collect near the floor or basement - conveniently where your pilot light is located.

When they're picking the insulation from your house out of treetops a block away, they'll look at the piping and try to figure out who messed with it, who disconnected the appliance without shutting the line off, who rigged up the BBQ tank in the basement for the water heater or if the delivery guy didn't do a leak check after you ran out of gas.

The good thing about LP is it has a narrow flammability range. The bad is that it doesn't take much.

When weather gets cold and demand goes up, the NG utilities add propane to the pipelines to keep the pressure up.

 

[togmaster]

I don't know if everyone realizes how expensive electricity is in NYC. I couldn't imagine what it would cost to heat an office building with only electric. But on a positive note, time to buy more ConEd stock.

 

[1075tech]

I'm not really an expert on gas either @1075tech , but I assume there is a regulator (sitting where the flexible hose goes to the pipe / shutoff point) that exists that limits how much gas can even enter the flexible connection going to the stove in the first place. So if hooked up correctly, any leak is going to be limited to begin with, yes?

Propane, in most cases, enters a building at ~14" w.c. (about 1/2 psi). Most appliances run at about 13". Most appliances will have an appliance regulator at the appliance that will further reduce the pressure to 10 - 13"

 

[Steal2B]

De Blasio moves to ban natural gas hookups: 'Literally' our 'only choice is renewable energy'
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is pushing forward with a green agenda, calling for a ban on natural gas hookups on new buildings in the city by 2030.

“We need to make clear that New York City will renounce fossil fuels fully. Therefore, we need to ban fossil fuel connections in the city by the end of this decade, literally ensuring that our only choice is renewable energy,” de Blasio said in his " State of the City" address on Friday.

De Blasio’s goals include moving the New York City government to run on “renewable energy in the next four years.” The plan relies on Canadian hydropower, imported into the United States through new transmission lines. Lawmakers in San Francisco passed a similar ordinance in November last year.

All construction after June 2021 must use electricity instead of gas for cooking, heating, and cooling. The announcement comes after 41 cities have adopted plans to reduce reliance on natural gas.

De Blasio moves to ban natural gas hookups: 'Literally' our 'only choice is renewable energy'

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is pushing forward with a green agenda, calling for a ban on natural gas hookups on new buildings in the city by 2030.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Good luck with that you freaking socialist moron. The environmental nazis will be torn. There are real environmental (wetland), property rights (there are no rights of way and properties will be seized under imminent domain) and legal issues (laws passed in preference to NYC unions limiting electricity imports outside of the Metropolitan area). Former NYC Deputy mayor John Dyson said that in spite of his championing nuclear power, expanding hydro power flood zones, and pushing drilling in NYS, his death threats all came from the horrid impacts of running high power transmission lines in NY. Former PASNY / NYPA Chairman under Mario Cuomo, Roy Sinclair told me the same thing that transmission line construction was the sole source of death threats to him.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Propane vapor comes out of your tank at anywhere between 50 - 150 psi. Pressure is dependent on temperature. It goes through a first stage regulator which reduces it to 10#. Before it enters your house, it goes through a second stage regulator which further reduces it to <14" water column pressure. There are a few exceptions to this. Most propane appliances run at 10" - 13" w.c.

If you hook up a natural gas appliance to propane, you'll generally get a large, orange, sooty flame. Gives off a lot of CO. Not all gas appliances can be converted to propane.

They add Ethyl Mercaptin to make it stink. This stuff is potent. 1# treats 10,000 gallons. Women have a keener sense of smell than men. I went on a lot of gas odor calls where the guy would say he didn't smell anything but his wife would.

Either a NG or LPG explosion will turn your house to toothpicks. NG is lighter than air so it tends to collect at ceilings or in attics. LP is heavier and will collect near the floor or basement - conveniently where your pilot light is located.

When they're picking the insulation from your house out of treetops a block away, they'll look at the piping and try to figure out who messed with it, who disconnected the appliance without shutting the line off, who rigged up the BBQ tank in the basement for the water heater or if the delivery guy didn't do a leak check after you ran out of gas.

The good thing about LP is it has a narrow flammability range. The bad is that it doesn't take much.

When weather gets cold and demand goes up, the NG utilities add propane to the pipelines to keep the pressure up.

I actually bought a brand new stove last week and had to convert it from NG to LP. As you said propane comes in at much higher pressure. The job isn't difficult if you are mechanically inclined and have the brain for it. Just change out the orifices for the stovetop and tighten up the regulator for the stove (stove may also have orifice depending on model). As long as you use sealer where you're supposed to and don't use it where you're not AND check your work you should be fine. Making everyone go to electric would be disastrous.

 

[libertysnake]

Propane, in most cases, enters a building at ~14" w.c. (about 1/2 psi). Most appliances run at about 13". Most appliances will have an appliance regulator at the appliance that will further reduce the pressure to 10 - 13"

My home is NG actually, not propane.

 

[Jmac00]

Propane vapor comes out of your tank at anywhere between 50 - 150 psi. Pressure is dependent on temperature. It goes through a first stage regulator which reduces it to 10#. Before it enters your house, it goes through a second stage regulator which further reduces it to <14" water column pressure. There are a few exceptions to this. Most propane appliances run at 10" - 13" w.c.

If you hook up a natural gas appliance to propane, you'll generally get a large, orange, sooty flame. Gives off a lot of CO. Not all gas appliances can be converted to propane.

They add Ethyl Mercaptin to make it stink. This stuff is potent. 1# treats 10,000 gallons. Women have a keener sense of smell than men. I went on a lot of gas odor calls where the guy would say he didn't smell anything but his wife would.

Either a NG or LPG explosion will turn your house to toothpicks. NG is lighter than air so it tends to collect at ceilings or in attics. LP is heavier and will collect near the floor or basement - conveniently where your pilot light is located.

When they're picking the insulation from your house out of treetops a block away, they'll look at the piping and try to figure out who messed with it, who disconnected the appliance without shutting the line off, who rigged up the BBQ tank in the basement for the water heater or if the delivery guy didn't do a leak check after you ran out of gas.

The good thing about LP is it has a narrow flammability range. The bad is that it doesn't take much.

When weather gets cold and demand goes up, the NG utilities add propane to the pipelines to keep the pressure up.

i kinda thought thats what i said, LOL

 

[Robin]

That fool has never held a real job. Some plumber should beat his roof in. Dumb fuck!
Robin

 

[Jmac00]

My home is NG actually, not propane.

the only real difference is in BTU content,

• Heating Oil has 138,690 BTUs per gallon.
• Natural Gas has 1,030 BTUs per cubic foot. 135 Cubic feet equals the heat content of one gallon of oil.
• Kerosene has 131,890 BTUs per gallon. 1.05 gallons equals the heat content of one gallon of oil.
• Propane has 91,500 BTUs per gallon. 1.52 gallons equals the heat of one gallon of oil.
• Electricity has 3,413 BTUs per kilowatt hour (kwh). 40.6kwh equals the heat content of one gallon of oil.
• Wood: One full cord of wood has the heat value of 95 gallons of oil.
• Anthracite Coal has 12,000 BTUs per pound. About 12 pounds equals the heat content of one gallon of oil.

and a gallon of LPG weighs about 4.2 pounds.....

and LPG burns hotter than NG, years ago, when they started using flame rectification in furnaces, LPG conversions were eating flame sensors like crazy, like every year i would have to replace flame sensors in LPG units, NG i could get through 4 or 5 years before replacing them. the FS manufacturers said it was because of the additives in LPG, then they started making the FS out of different metal. now I can get a couple years out of LPG FS

 

[spat]

When Natural gas is delivered to your building, it comes from the street at about 90psi, it then comes up to your regulator and is reduced to about ¼ psi, or 7" of water column ( w.c. ) {when pressure goes below 1 psi, we switch to inches of water column for accuracy. in some commercial/industrial applications there maybe a second regulator down stream from the meter.}
it hits your meter, which then turns a few dials so the utility company knows just how far to shove it up your ass.
the NG comes out of the meter and goes to each and every appliance that uses NG, each appliance then reduces the gas pressure further through another regulator called 'Da Gas valve' and is set to the appliance manufactures recommendations, usually 3.5" w.c.

NG is oderless, colorless, and lighter than air, but during the manufacturing process the producers add Mercaptan, so your wife will know when there is a leak, trust me, women can smell NG L O N G before men can. im sure it has something to do with mother nature and the universe, but i dont know how to explain it.

the gas company has certain regulations, ie: the regulator, from the street, is ALWAYS installed to the left of the meter, the "stub out" from the home should be at least 3", the gas company owns everything up to and including the gas meter, everything after the meter is all you, period.

so if your house becomes ground zero for a small nuclear explosion, your survivors will not be able to sue the gas company, but you can sue the last guy that tampered ( fixed ) your appliance and/or the person that left the gas on without a pilot lite.

with NG, its actually difficult to fuck up. it would have to be something fairly deliberate.

of course, most of this goes out the window if you switch to propane, 'cause with propane, you fuck that up, propane go B O O M

LOL

A lot of people don't realize there is a massive difference between natural gas and the older "town gas" that was used historically for head and light.

Natural gas is mostly methane, there is essentially 0 carbon monoxide in it.

Town gas was largely carbon monoxide (and wasn’t transported across the country via pipeline, but was manufactured locally from coal)

You're probably not going to be able to kill yourself by putting your head in a natural gas oven.

With the old town gas on the other hand it was a very real possibility.

Thus the old trope of suicide by oven in old books and movies that just doesn't happen anymore.

 

[Jmac00]

on a side note, the price of a face cord of wood just went through the roof in NYC and on LI

 

[OwnTheRide]

Thus the old trope of suicide by oven in old books and movies that just doesn't happen anymore.

I always wondered why that trope was a thing. Finally makes sense now!

 

[Madmallard]

And Cuomo is shutting the nuclear plant that supplies 25% of NYC power with no backup. Real Smart!

 

[Jmac00]

And Cuomo is shutting the nuclear plant that supplies 25% of NYC power with no backup. Real Smart!

there is something seriously wrong with that asshole, he aint right in the head

 

[Bozo]

Makes perfect sense. Rely on a power source hundreds of miles away that utilizes a single transmission path. What could go wrong?

 

[libertysnake]

...
Either a NG or LPG explosion will turn your house to toothpicks. ...

When they're picking the insulation from your house out of treetops a block away, they'll look at the piping and try to figure out who messed with it, who disconnected the appliance without shutting the line off, who rigged up the BBQ tank in the basement for the water heater or if the delivery guy didn't do a leak check after you ran out of gas.
...

By the way, having re-read that part, in my head I heard it in this voice: