Do we have a warrant canary for NYGF?

[libertysnake]

Given what happened to @Dr. Evil at the hands of the Gestapo of free speech that runs this state, it is really an oversight we do not have a warrant canary for NYGF setup. So, for that reason, I'm adding this question / thread under "law."

Basically, if NYGF would come under any sort of investigation, they could not disclose the investigation because of the court order. But a warrant canary is a blanket statement that exists previous to such an order stating there has never been such an order issued to the site as of the current date (which, is true before an order is issued.) Once an order is issued, the canary is removed. Thus, there is the implication, not direct disclosure, the site is under investigation while following the letter of the court order.

(Also, I'm not a lawyer, so I'd check on the legality of adding one to NYGF. My understanding is they are legal to have.)

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

It's been removed. We (NYGF) are under investigation.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Remember when we had free speech and the 1a?

Man those were the good ol days.

 

[John Stark]

"Warrants" are technicalities at this point. FUSA.gov is engaged in warrantless search and seizure of everything that flows through the digitial medium, as well as all mail, packages, purchases and so on. Every scrap of information is being vacuumed up by the powers that be, in cahoots with the big tech companies. Add in cameras, facial recognition, smart devices at work, in the car, and at home(!!!), and its basically a fact that we are living in surveillance state. Not completely yet, as there are still some ways to work around some of it still, but not for long.

Anything and every thing about both your private and public life that filters through anything digital is going straight to the government without any warrant at all. The only question is whether or not any given individual or organization gets some "special attention" Depending on the level of "wrong think" or action, that "special attention" may very well be something they don't even need a "warrant" to look into and prosecute via secret "investigations" and secret "trials."

The only thing that stands between any individual and their so-called "government" at this point is whether the roving Eye of the Dark One falls upon you for some or any reason.

We will have come full circle in the One World Government when they demand that all of us are chipped, and don't think they are not planning and preparing for that, holding that in the wings until their schemes ripen.

How people do no understand this and do not assume that they are already under unconstitutional and illegal "general" warrants is beyond me.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

"Warrants" are technicalities at this point. FUSA.gov is engaged in warrantless search and seizure of everything that flows through the digitial medium, as well as all mail, packages, purchases and so on. Every scrap of information is being vacuumed up by the powers that be, in cahoots with the big tech companies. Add in cameras, facial recognition, smart devices at work, in the car, and at home(!!!), and its basically a fact that we are living in surveillance state. Not completely yet, as there are still some ways to work around some of it still, but not for long.

Anything and every thing about both your private and public life that filters through anything digital is going straight to the government without any warrant at all. The only question is whether or not any given individual or organization gets some "special attention" Depending on the level of "wrong think" or action, that "special attention" may very well be something they don't even need a "warrant" to look into and prosecute via secret "investigations" and secret "trials."

The only thing that stands between any individual and their so-called "government" at this point is whether the roving Eye of the Dark One falls upon you for some or any reason.

We will have come full circle in the One World Government when they demand that all of us are chipped, and don't think they are not planning and preparing for that, holding that in the wings until their schemes ripen.

How people do no understand this and do not assume that they are already under unconstitutional and illegal "general" warrants is beyond me.

I can admit when I'm wrong. In the early 00's I mistakenly supported the Patriot act. I was one of those "I don't care, I'm not a criminal I have nothing to hide"

I was wrong.

I'm not too proud to admit I made a mistake and have gained some wisdom since then, I've learned better.

I've read some spy type/commando books and I've learned a lot about how government is surveying people based on what is discussed because when you just independently research the capabilities you realize that's its based on reality and current programs.

Everything we do is collected and archived.

 

[tirwin1]

We are a surveillance state rapidly evolving into a police state.

 

[kev74]

I like to poke a finger in their eye whenever I can, with full knowledge that it's pointless and only serves to make me feel better.

It would be pretty hard to effectively dodge the surveillance state, and would be very lonely if you could manage.

 

[spat]

Given what happened to @Dr. Evil at the hands of the Gestapo of free speech that runs this state, it is really an oversight we do not have a warrant canary for NYGF setup. So, for that reason, I'm adding this question / thread under "law."

Basically, if NYGF would come under any sort of investigation, they could not disclose the investigation because of the court order. But a warrant canary is a blanket statement that exists previous to such an order stating there has never been such an order issued to the site as of the current date (which, is true before an order is issued.) Once an order is issued, the canary is removed. Thus, there is the implication, not direct disclosure, the site is under investigation while following the letter of the court order.

(Also, I'm not a lawyer, so I'd check on the legality of adding one to NYGF. My understanding is they are legal to have.)

Or just a post to the canary thread every week that such a warrant doesn't exist.

They can order you not to disclose a warrant (and deleting a post that there isn't one could qualify), but they can't order you to lie and say there isn't one when there is.

 

[kev74]

Or just a post to the canary thread every week that such a warrant doesn't exist.

They can order you not to disclose a warrant (and deleting a post that there isn't one could qualify), but they can't order you to lie and say there isn't one when there is.

Or just assume everything posted here is monitored, with or without a warrant, and conduct yourself accordingly.

 

[Celt]

I pretty much assume everything we say on here is being put in the folders on each and every one of us. Act accordingly. But to the original posters point, sounds like another idea that could be potentially useful.

 

[ManualF150]

Until the USA gets cleaned up from the inside out (or completely gutted), it is going to continue to get worse.

Just look at all of the surveillance cameras mounted on telephone poles -- even in rural areas. One can argue it's for the roadway, but the images they capture are well into people's yards and personal property. Same goes for those speed cameras and red light cameras. The .GOV will monitor each time you mow your front yard or go check your mailbox.

I was thinking the other day, when school season is in session, I've passed by school busses when I'm out running/jogging in the morning when the bus is stopped with those cameras recording. I want to know what they are doing with those images of me when I'm jogging by the bus or even in my front yard if they happen to be stopped there (luckily no kids being picked up/dropped off in front my house!).

It's one thing with static images from say Google Street View taken at totally random times. But these other cameras, eh, no.

Just doesn't sit well with me.

 

[spat]

Or just assume everything posted here is monitored, with or without a warrant, and conduct yourself accordingly.

Oh, I assumed everyone was doing that anyway.

I thought this was just for curiosity sake.

But, a warrant wouldn't be for what's posted. That's public already, no warrant needed.

A warrant would be to unmask the real identity of the posters.

Not that that's all that necessary either. Wouldn't be too hard to get any of your IPs.

Just post a pic with a URL on a server I control, then look at my own logs.


Might take a warrant to your ISP to get your real name and address, but the forum moderators would have no idea that was happening.

 

[Cavalry]

I was thinking the other day, when school season is in session, I've passed by school busses when I'm out running/jogging in the morning when the bus is stopped with those cameras recording. I want to know what they are doing with those images of me when I'm jogging by the bus or even in my front yard if they happen to be stopped there (luckily no kids being picked up/dropped off in front my house!).

Bus cameras have zero to do with child safety and everything to do with revenue. The companies that distribute camera systems will not install them in states that prohibit photo enforcement. Conveniently enough, the company will install the bus cameras for free and take care of all the "legal hassles" for the district and local LE.

 

[Jcp123]

Looks to me like the legality of such a thing is iffy, although having watched a fair bit of “audit the audit”, I almost feel fired up at the idea of having one, lol.

 

[ManualF150]

Looks to me like the legality of such a thing is iffy, although having watched a fair bit of “audit the audit”, I almost feel fired up at the idea of having one, lol.

In the coming months if Trump isn't put into office, there won't be an "audit the audit" no more.

They will instead put us all in jail for 1A use.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Until the USA gets cleaned up from the inside out (or completely gutted), it is going to continue to get worse.

Just look at all of the surveillance cameras mounted on telephone poles -- even in rural areas. One can argue it's for the roadway, but the images they capture are well into people's yards and personal property. Same goes for those speed cameras and red light cameras. The .GOV will monitor each time you mow your front yard or go check your mailbox.

I was thinking the other day, when school season is in session, I've passed by school busses when I'm out running/jogging in the morning when the bus is stopped with those cameras recording. I want to know what they are doing with those images of me when I'm jogging by the bus or even in my front yard if they happen to be stopped there (luckily no kids being picked up/dropped off in front my house!).

It's one thing with static images from say Google Street View taken at totally random times. But these other cameras, eh, no.

Just doesn't sit well with me.

Just wait until the Internet of things IoT really comes into it's own with widescale implementation and being monitored by algorithms and AI.

we're for the most part here significantly more suspicious than an average normie, and even our worst fears will pale in comparison to what data and predictions can be made about us in 10 years.

You can really go down the rabbit hole into really thinking about every bit of data being collected on you. If you have a smart watch or fit bit the algorithm even knows your sex life and how awesome or depressing it is. It likely even knows who you're having sex with based on gps proximity. That's just one example.

It will know your diet based on your smart refrigerator contents. It will know your driving habits. It will know who you spend time with and who your associates are. It will know your hobbies. It will know your routines, your mood, your likes and dislikes. Even if you yourself don't participate there is enough 3rd party tech to track your inputs and data collections.

We are eagerly and willfully building an orwellian big brother wet dream.

 

[Robin]

FUCK YOU G-MAN, there.
Robin

 

[Jcp123]

In the coming months if Trump isn't put into office, there won't be an "audit the audit" no more.

They will instead put us all in jail for 1A use.

I’m not so doom and gloom, but no matter who is or isn’t in office, it’s still vital for citizens to know enough to keep the government in check. I’m actually not a big fan of how a lot of auditors behave, but I’m a huge advocate for people flexing their rights in everyday situations when encountered by LEOs and such. I don’t think there’s bona fide case law, but it doesn’t seem like courts are willing to buy the canary arguments. Nevertheless, as it doesn’t seem to be explicitly illegal, I am totally not against using subversive means to keep the gub’ment on check.

 

[Jcp123]

FUCK YOU G-MAN, there.
Robin

Dunno that I’d go that far, but definitely more like “I’m toeing my part of the line, g-man, I expect the same of you”. Anything you can pile on to make the juice not worth the squeeze is a win, no matter how small, for the citizens. If we won’t be our own check and balance on the government, then the others don’t even matter.

 

[dwa12479]

What did I miss? What happened to @Dr. Evil ?

 

[gunpoliticsny]

Or just assume everything posted here is monitored, with or without a warrant, and conduct yourself accordingly.

 

[kev74]

FUCK YOU G-MAN, there.
Robin

Don't forget the purple tie mafia.

Totally gay.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Just wait until the Internet of things IoT really comes into it's own with widescale implementation and being monitored by algorithms and AI.

we're for the most part here significantly more suspicious than an average normie, and even our worst fears will pale in comparison to what data and predictions can be made about us in 10 years.

You can really go down the rabbit hole into really thinking about every bit of data being collected on you. If you have a smart watch or fit bit the algorithm even knows your sex life and how awesome or depressing it is. It likely even knows who you're having sex with based on gps proximity. That's just one example.

It will know your diet based on your smart refrigerator contents. It will know your driving habits. It will know who you spend time with and who your associates are. It will know your hobbies. It will know your routines, your mood, your likes and dislikes. Even if you yourself don't participate there is enough 3rd party tech to track your inputs and data collections.

We are eagerly and willfully building an orwellian big brother wet dream.

My employer selected me to be part of the first wave of biometric SSO deployment for mobile access to any of their systems/applications. I have already long ago refused to access or install any of their stuff on my personal devices, so this is also a big NO. They probably picked me because of how unsuccessful they were with my vaccine mandate.

 

[Defilade]

What did I miss? What happened to @Dr. Evil ?

He was caught banging some guy on here.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

What did I miss? What happened to @Dr. Evil ?

Pull up a chair.....

 

[Parzival]

What did I miss? What happened to @Dr. Evil ?

He’s getting extradited to the UK.

 

[Clancy]

You guys think government surveillance is something new? 30 some years ago a friend of mine talked me into FOILing the FBI to see if they had a file on me. I had never been arrested, did not serve in the military and while I traveled around the country a lot, I think I had led a pretty mild, boring life. After a few months I got my file from the FBI. 7 pages, most of it blacked out. I can only imagine the size of the file on me now. The FBI was always used to monitor American citizens and it has always been used as a weapon against anyone who stood out from the crowd. It's only gotten worse.

 

[Acer-m14]

MSN

there it is ...

but why report to the cops .. report to DMV . ohh u speeder .. license suspended .. then call the cops to pull you over ..

now they get more $$$ from you ..

when this car dies , I'm buying a Horse



off to help Ford and the other Manufactures out with more ideas ..

all new cars and trucks with become Subscription Autos

if you want to use the wipers its a $5.00 per month subscription

headlights .. that's another 5 dollars ..

Fuel Tank subscription .. 15 dollars a month fee so you can store gas or diesel in it .

heat and AC .. 20 bucks a month ..

windows to go up and down 10 dollars a month ..

 

[SomeSoldier]

I am just curious which lists I am on.

 

[spat]

I am just curious which lists I am on.

I just assume it's "all of the above"