Do you know a DEMOCRAT you can discuss any issue with ?

[CaseHardened]

Honestly, every self-proclaimed Democrat I know - Relatives included - are exceptionally close-minded.

They are impossible to talk to on any meaningful issue.

For instance: TRUMP IS A RACIST; TRUMP IS A NAZI; TRUMP IS KKK; TRUMP IS SEXIST

But if you ask them, politely, to present any evidence - it's just "They say so on Facebook".

Democrats, generally, don't really follow the news. If "Madonna" says it is so, it must be true.

I "get along" with some Democrats, but only by strictly avoiding the news.

BTW, I'm independent. I see huge flaws with both parties, but Democrats are, by far, the worst.

 

[Robin]

No, not really.
Robin

 

[dsdmmat]

Nope.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The ones that are no longer living. Maybe.

 

[Magnus]

Almost put yes, but then I really thought about it. I have to avoid anything that may spark an emotional reaction. So topics are very limited.

 

[Grimscale]

I know a lot of Democrats. Many will have an open and honest discussion, will support their views with facts, and can be shown where their views are unreasonably biased.
I also know ones that are so closed-minded as to be fanatical about their beliefs.
I am related to both.

The thing to keep in mind, not all Democrats are like the stereotype being regurgitated on this forum.

 

[CaseHardened]

I know a lot of Democrats. Many will have an open and honest discussion, will support their views with facts, and can be shown where their views are unreasonably biased.
I also know ones that are so closed-minded as to be fanatical about their beliefs.
I am related to both.

The thing to keep in mind, not all Democrats are like the stereotype being regurgitated on this forum.

Yet they remain Democrats ?

What is it they like about the Modern Democrat Party ?

 

[Airborneguy]

I discuss politics sensibly with democrats all the time. I'm a member on facebook of a "resistance" group specifically for this reason. I believe it keeps me sharp intellectually to constantly battle with them. Most of the time it's extremely civil.

The key is to be amongst educated people (and to be one yourself) as opposed to using typical internet debate/troll tactics such as constant "logical" comparisons and analogies. Know your material. Avoid "othering" as much as possible. Every person with a particular view is not easily confined to one particular box or another. For example, my friend who started the group is extremely liberal in his economic policies and gun views, but very pro-law enforcement and criminal punishment (he's a prosecutor). His "partner" in the site is a feminist leftist. Two very different people on the left side of the spectrum.

 

[tirwin1]

I used to have a boss that I could debate with in civil tones back in the late 1980's. He was a far left progressive. He believed all the nonsense about identity politics and always took the worst view of this country. Yet on most fridays we went to happy hour and debated politics. We were able to keep it civil. I will concede I learned some things from him but I was able to point out a lot what he said was nonsense. My favorite was the berlin wall. I used to love to taunt him about why "progressive" countries had to build walls to keep workers in their socialist paradise.

Those were the days. These days it's impossible to find an honest lefty. Anger and indignation are constant with them.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I have been on that care2 ban assault weapon petition thread for a couple of days trying to reason and have informational dialogue. If this is any indication I would so unequivocally, no. I have been called names, ridiculed and someone made a joke about somebody shooting me.

 

[Grimscale]

Yet they remain Democrats ?

What is it they like about the Modern Democrat Party ?

Pro-environment - let's be honest, most of the republican politicians are all for selling off our natural resources to their friends, poisoning water tables, stripping land, etc.
Pro-religious freedom - people should be allowed to worship as they see fit, and not have any one religion pushed over others or used as the basis for Laws.
Pro-choice - but in a limited way. 1st trimester - don't care. Up to the woman. 2nd trimester - justified by medical need, urgent and unexpected financial issues, etc. 3rd trimester - absolute "life of mother" stuff, otherwise finish carrying it and put it up for adoption.

That's for the one that can have meaningful dialogue.

The fanatic? I don't understand her. She says she's pro-choice and pro-religious-freedom, but then converts to Catholicism, possibly one of the most restrictive Abrahamic religions out there (at least in the Christianity branch). She thinks illegal aliens should have Rights but Citizens should not. She thinks cops are bad, but expects us to rely on cops if something 'bad' happens.
She's just a mess of contradictions.

 

[Target]

I'm posting on some of the gun opinion threads at Syracuse.com.

There is no reasoning with them.
We're nut jobs, they're 110% in the right.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I'm posting on some of the gun opinion threads at Syracuse.com.

There is no reasoning with them.
We're nut jobs, they're 110% in the right.

Like I referred to in the other thread, they certainly are 110% alright.

 

[99cummins]

The thing to keep in mind, not all Democrats are like the stereotype being regurgitated on this forum.

The problem is the most vocal ones on the left as well as the Democratic politicians are the stereotypes and often even worse.

 

[Criticalt]

Pro-environment - let's be honest, most of the republican politicians are all for selling off our natural resources to their friends, poisoning water tables, stripping land, etc.
Pro-religious freedom - people should be allowed to worship as they see fit, and not have any one religion pushed over others or used as the basis for Laws.
Pro-choice - but in a limited way. 1st trimester - don't care. Up to the woman. 2nd trimester - justified by medical need, urgent and unexpected financial issues, etc. 3rd trimester - absolute "life of mother" stuff, otherwise finish carrying it and put it up for adoption.

That's for the one that can have meaningful dialogue.

The fanatic? I don't understand her. She says she's pro-choice and pro-religious-freedom, but then converts to Catholicism, possibly one of the most restrictive Abrahamic religions out there (at least in the Christianity branch). She thinks illegal aliens should have Rights but Citizens should not. She thinks cops are bad, but expects us to rely on cops if something 'bad' happens.
She's just a mess of contradictions.

The first type of Democrat you mention is on its way out. Those dems will soon have to choose a side.
Hillary Clinton is for the most part this kind of Democrat.
The NEW Democratic party is being pushed FAR to the left. Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Maxine Waters, Rahm Emanuel.....etc.
More and more dem politicians are being pushed by their vocal constituents.
Anti cop, pro 38 gender, anti gun..........etc.
The only registered Democrats I knew both changed sides amd voted for Trump because of the views of the NEW Democratic party.

 

[tirwin1]

The only registered Democrats I knew both changed sides amd voted for Trump because of the views of the NEW Democratic party.

I think that helps explain why Trump won. Honest democrats were simply fed up with clinton and what the democratic party has become.

 

[tirwin1]

Pro-environment - let's be honest, most of the republican politicians are all for selling off our natural resources to their friends, poisoning water tables, stripping land, etc.

The problem is their beloved agency, the EPA is absolutely horrible. Due to their "mistake" a river out west was seriously polluted. If a private company had made such a mistake it would be front page news with heavy fines if not criminal indictments. When the EPA does it, they simply get away with a "my bad."

The EPA also stonewalled the release of information and failed to provide a remedy for a suburb near St. Louis. I just watched a documentary on this. There is an underground fire approaching a dump that contains nuclear waste. It has been slowly approaching the dump for years. The local residents have tried for years to get the EPA to do something and all they get is bureaucratic runarounds. Once again, I can't believe this isn't a national news story. But it all took place under the benighted reign of king obama so of course the press avoids it. I expect it to become front page news now that trump is in the white house and he can be blamed.

So for pro-environment people belonging to the democratic party and believing in the government is a very faulty position.

 

[Doc8404]

Sure do. His name is Otis. Doesn’t have a job. Thinks getting through life is about eating, sleeping and looking good. It works for him and most of the time he listens. Or appears to listen. Doesn’t have much of an opinion.





































Otis.

 

[Paxal]

Honestly, every self-proclaimed Democrat I know - Relatives included - are exceptionally close-minded.

They are impossible to talk to on any meaningful issue.

For instance: TRUMP IS A RACIST; TRUMP IS A NAZI; TRUMP IS KKK; TRUMP IS SEXIST

But if you ask them, politely, to present any evidence - it's just "They say so on Facebook".

Democrats, generally, don't really follow the news. If "Madonna" says it is so, it must be true.

I "get along" with some Democrats, but only by strictly avoiding the news.

BTW, I'm independent. I see huge flaws with both parties, but Democrats are, by far, the worst.

I can is Im in the mood and have the energy to have a therapy session for them to help them past their biases. But usuallu, no.

 

[eagleridge357]

Dems usually follow groupthink. Appeals to emotion, appealing generalizations, romantic ideals - these are the hallmark of the decadent socialist mentality. Usually anti science, anti research findings, anti God, anti factual and statistical truths. The only good thing about Dems is that someday they will drown humanity and we will be able to start anew .

 

[Podmonkey]

The only known democrats I associate with are my family members, whom are largely apolitical anyways, and related close family freinds. Nobody talks politics around me because they know what a firebrand I am. I may be German/Scandinavian in heritage but my temperament is more like an Italian's. Folk that know me avoid rousing me.

 

[eagleridge357]

The only known democrats I associate with are my family members, whom are largely apolitical anyways, and related close family freinds. Nobody talks politics around me because they know what a firebrand I am. I may be German/Scandinavian in heritage but my temperament is more like an Italian's. Folk that know me avoid rousing me.

Love those of you wannabe mediterraneans

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Yes, but as a general rule we avoid the topic of politics at family get togethers. Since everyone knows where everyone else stands, and therefore is unproductive use of our time, we drink and eat instead.

 

[Podmonkey]

Love those of you wannabe mediterraneans

I don't wannabe short tempered I just am.

 

[Podmonkey]

Yes, but as a general rule we avoid the topic of politics at family get togethers. Since everyone knows where everyone else stands, and therefore is unproductive use of our time, we drink and eat instead.

Good way to put it, we do the same. I'd rather enjoy my family visits and I do.

 

[CaseHardened]

I discuss politics sensibly with democrats all the time. I'm a member on facebook of a "resistance" group specifically for this reason. I believe it keeps me sharp intellectually to constantly battle with them. Most of the time it's extremely civil.

The key is to be amongst educated people (and to be one yourself) as opposed to using typical internet debate/troll tactics such as constant "logical" comparisons and analogies. Know your material. Avoid "othering" as much as possible. Every person with a particular view is not easily confined to one particular box or another. For example, my friend who started the group is extremely liberal in his economic policies and gun views, but very pro-law enforcement and criminal punishment (he's a prosecutor). His "partner" in the site is a feminist leftist. Two very different people on the left side of the spectrum.

You know, I have little issue with people that have strong opinions, if they can back them up and are consistent.

But so many (I'd like to say all) LIBERAL FEMINISTS condemn Conservatives such as Judge Roy Moore, but when it comes to the RAPIST IN CHIEF - BILL JEFFERSON CLINTON - they are silent.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Traditional democrats .yes
Modern progressives . hell no

 

[Uzi]

The only thing that directly aggravates me at this point of my life that democrats do, is fucking with my right to own the legal firearms I so choose. Voting to disarm me because you're very emotionally weak and too ignorant to listen and or learn about what the second amendment entials, is not any defense to an opinion. Because they have a right to speak (which I do support) they now believe their opinion on something has value and makes sense and is superior, just because.... This by itself clearly shows a mental problem no doubt. What it comes down to is pure emotion and frankly plain stupidity on their part all the freaking time. I simply don't care if they want a firearm to protect their own kids when bubba breaks into their kids bedroom while they're sleeping because that's their own responsibility, not mine. You bet your ass I'm going to hate you when you're taking away my freedoms that has nothing to do with you anyways. It limits my ability to protect myself and others at a greater value, hobbies and entertainment, and at the end of the day, life, liberty and freedom. You bet your sorry ass it pisses me off. Why would I even want to speak to such stupid assholes like that anyways? I always let them talk to me first, I don't initiate any conversations with them. The reason for that is because there's a whole lot more going on in their brains to have those types of mentalities and want and need for control over others that're minding their own business. They're like blood sucking mosquitoes. As far as I go, I don't affiliate myself with any political party. Do what you want, but leave me the fuck alone please.

 

[Michael]

I work with one that I can have a discussion with. Oddly enough, it usually ends with him saying "I guess your right."

 

[Celt]

Yes, but only because they are not hardcore leftists.

I just had a discussion today about gun control and how to keep Kids Safe in school. I had to remain cordial and polite even when they would spout off some feel-good nonsense. It was great to be able to refute all of their emotional arguments with facts logic and history. In the end when they had no argument left all they could say was but we have to do something. To which I responded then let's do something that will work like fostering security in schools with armed guards modern materials and allowing teachers to be armed. They agreed with everything except allowing teachers to be armed simply because they don't trust regular citizens.