This will be interesting. I remember President Trump doing the same thing in his first term and GEN Milley would not allow it on Army Posts.
DOW Sec of War authorizes off duty military personnel to Carry weapons for per
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I predict this will end up being a “may issue” situation at most.
Sure, it will “technically“ be allowed by Hegseth’s order. But if you are a lower enlisted rank, - good luck getting that approved by your CO, or your supervising PO.
You won’t be allowed to bring it into the barracks, or your work area (which is what was needed in the Fort Hood shootings, but they were all disarmed). IF you’re lucky, you MAY be allowed to bring it on base and keep it in an approved and permanently mounted gun safe in a vehicle, but that will be about the extent of it. It won’t be much different than working in an automotive assembly plant: no carrying while working on the assembly line, or keeping it in your locker,- maybe in your car if they OK that.
Of course, I expect the situation will be quite different for officers (and perhaps a few senior enlisted personnel). Because, after all, RHIP.
But as far as E3 Johnny from Alabama or West Virginia being able to bring his personally owned handgun on base and just keep it in his barracks locker (forget about carrying concealed in his classroom or work station, naturally)? THAT will NOT be permitted! No way, no how!
Sure, it will “technically“ be allowed by Hegseth’s order. But if you are a lower enlisted rank, - good luck getting that approved by your CO, or your supervising PO.
You won’t be allowed to bring it into the barracks, or your work area (which is what was needed in the Fort Hood shootings, but they were all disarmed). IF you’re lucky, you MAY be allowed to bring it on base and keep it in an approved and permanently mounted gun safe in a vehicle, but that will be about the extent of it. It won’t be much different than working in an automotive assembly plant: no carrying while working on the assembly line, or keeping it in your locker,- maybe in your car if they OK that.
Of course, I expect the situation will be quite different for officers (and perhaps a few senior enlisted personnel). Because, after all, RHIP.
But as far as E3 Johnny from Alabama or West Virginia being able to bring his personally owned handgun on base and just keep it in his barracks locker (forget about carrying concealed in his classroom or work station, naturally)? THAT will NOT be permitted! No way, no how!
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Robin
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One bad incident the Dem's, big media, and all the Soros paid, much of it our tax dollars, protesters will pile on like ants on a melting sidewalk sucker. And they will sway millions, even some that support the current status. Look at the success they have had smearing trump in the last year even among many Trump supporters.
Robin
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Steal2B
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I don't see this as providing that much relief.
It allows uniformed members of the military to apply for a permit to have privately owned arms when not on duty and get a rejection in writing.
The biggest benefit would likely be some with on base housing won't have to secure their private property in the arrmory. At best we'll see some bases evolve to like being in NY with permits and lots of sensitive locations.
We'll see.
It allows uniformed members of the military to apply for a permit to have privately owned arms when not on duty and get a rejection in writing.
The biggest benefit would likely be some with on base housing won't have to secure their private property in the arrmory. At best we'll see some bases evolve to like being in NY with permits and lots of sensitive locations.
We'll see.
Robin
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I never had any privately owned guns while I served, it seems that you could have them but they had to be stored in the company armory.
Robin
Robin
If you lived in the barracks that is true. If you lived in Family housing or the officer/senior enlisted Bachelor quarters ( at least where I lived in the BEQ) you could have your POWs in your quarters. I served from the early 80s to the early 00s
When I lived in base housing even as a military brat we were able to have our POWs in family housing. The only time I ever had to have them in the Arms room was when I lived in the barracks.
What I see is this will allow military to carry concealed while off duty and on post. Not sure they are going to get away with carrying concealed off post without a state permit. But at least this will allow loaded weapons in the hands of off duty soldiers on post. Of course the PX, Commissary, gyms and other public gathering places on Fort Bragg have no weapons allowed signs posted at every entrance. I wonder if those restrictions will have to change?
Steal2B
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I know that since Obama my relatives and friends with on base housing had to check their personal property (and mine) in to the armory for safe keeping.
Wonder if it is just based upon the state you are assigned? When I was stationed at Drum if you showed up with pistols you had to put them in the arms room until you got a pistol license. This was to avoid people PCSing from free states getting felony charges. I think they were expanding that to “assault Weapons” for the same reason.
I cannot imagine Fort Bragg NC or Fort Huachuca AZ requiring that, of course I have been out of uniform for over 20 years so things may have changed.
edit: just read the Fort Bragg regulation, family housing is an authorized storage area for service members POWs, the Unit Arms room is offered as an alternative storage location.
Yet another reason to not live on an installation.
dwa12479
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Always
Steal2B
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My experience was the same with bases in Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida and Virginia
What Branch?
Steal2B
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Joint bases. Son was Air Force, Son in law and friends were Army, other family and I were Navy.
Yeah I can see anything involving the Air force or Navy being an issue. Definitely not like that on FT Bragg.
Cavalry
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I agree that this will go nowhere since they gave the CO descression.
While I think every American that can carry should, I am also torn on this. With the exception probably of the Marines, Pete's "warfighters" are not as skilled as he thinks. If you remove combat arms there is a significant percentage of MOSs that do very little actual soldiering. Combat arms are their own problem. Young guys full of spice that want to fight over nothing at the drop of a hat.
While I think every American that can carry should, I am also torn on this. With the exception probably of the Marines, Pete's "warfighters" are not as skilled as he thinks. If you remove combat arms there is a significant percentage of MOSs that do very little actual soldiering. Combat arms are their own problem. Young guys full of spice that want to fight over nothing at the drop of a hat.
spat
.950 JDJ
It should have been the rule since 1776.
And it was until '92. People should have hung for that.
Saltwater60
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If they are trained to kill enemies on the battlefield and in good standing they should be issued weapons to carry on base and in any state in the USA.
There is a hidden element that's not spoken of without being dismissed as conspiracy: Intelligence says there are thousands of terrorists and cells HERE in the United States, once in a while someone jumps the shark and there's an incident on one of out Military Bases, but here's the thing: Live Ammunition is generally prohibited in Garrison, except for the small amount issued to MP's and a bit more to the Federal Police, but if a planned attack happens at the Gate and it's overtaken, there is nothing sans the privately owned weapons Service Members hold in their on-Post houses.
So even IF Soldiers can get to their Arms Rooms and draw weapons, it's highly unlikely for there to be any munitions to feed them with....Couple Technical's full of Hajji's ready to die for allah could wipe out a lot of Soldiers and Family members before being stopped, if they didn't detonate a Suicide vest first....either way, they're ready, willing, and fully expecting to die, so there are zero fucks given about who they kill so long as they do.
I'm not suggesting one-two or a few Soldiers with POWS in their Vehicles (or secure and easily accessible location) are going to be the hero's but they'll have a better chance stopping the bullshit, than throwing empty magazines.
Ironically, the CCIA exempts Soldiers on active Duty from the limitations imposed on NY Citizens...I suspect the thought (or lack of) was Soldiers carrying Issued Sidearms, but that's not what the dumb fucks wrote.
One other thing while I'm mouthing off: the Handgun Licensing application for Soldiers is much more intensive (see page 29-30 of this application packet) https://www.jeffersoncountyny.gov/media/Sheriff/FULL Pistol Permit Packet v11.5.25.pdf
thughes
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Didn't bother reading, but the fact that there are 30+ pages in an application "packet" that is required for submitting a request to exercise a Constitutional Right leaves me shaking my head. How do you guys even deal with that shit?
Not even that much to get hired at the Sheriff's Office.
That application is an absolute POS that just radiates their strong preference to stop anyone from applying for a CCW permit from Jefferson County. 30 pages of shit!
I remember hearing years ago the Supreme Court judge there in Jefferson County was a total anti 2A douche, and that the people there were stuck with him for like another 14 years? Can anyone on here provide any details on that?
Also, it strikes me that some of what is called for in those 30 pages of crap has now been ruled out by recent court decisions? Can anyone here comment on that?
I was not a "Gun Guy" when I was regular Army. I do not remember what the rules/laws were for having a gun on post.
I understand the Social Media information has been found unconstitutional, I'm guessing they just haven't removed it...My youngest Son submitted the packet a few months back and it was granted in a months time...the Sheriff is getting them done and has a Detective on them all the time.
I also expect the Packet for other Counties is close to the same, some of those Pages are explanations and four are References...still, the amount of bullshit is astounding, and the Judge who wrote/approved all this IS Pro-Gun, fair, and honest. (AFAIK)
Bigfoot
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About time there's common sense happening, this is called winning!
Bigfoot
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My crystal ball says in 3, 2, 1, a leftist judge rules Secretary of War Hegseth can't do that.
Cavalry
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Very strict. No carry, nothing in the barracks, even knives were limited at something like a 3" blade. The only time you could have a POW was bringing it to or from the arms room for storage and I believe they had a range available so transit there. Housing was more lenient, like living off post.
I pretty much concur, but policies, provisions, and enforcement do or did vary from Post to Post: 39 years ago when I came to Drum, things were "different" and I often skirted the Regs, and despite being a Medic, was very much a "Gun Guy" and after getting Married and having Quarters on the Economy, suddenly our House turned into storage for several other members of our Unit.
You could/can bring Firearms onto Post so long as they were Registered or you had a Memorandum sent to DES advising them, and I do know that FMWR would occasionally open the Indoor Range to Card Holders, but I'm not sure how that worked....most of the time if you've got a CAC you're scanned and allowed to pass unchecked...Gate Policies (and others) change every couple years with a new Garrison Commander, who insists on making all sorts of "changes" so he looks good on his next OER and become eligible for his next promotion. (I've been told there's nothing more dangerous than a Full Bird trying to get his first Star)
Robin
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Do they still have EM club's at forts these days? A visit there might make them reconsider .
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