EMP threat

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I came across this article, and needless to say if there is even the slightest shred of truth and accuracy to it, well it's chilling to say the least.

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2016/09/26/trump-told-emp-attack-used-stop-election/

I've contemplated Russia/China/iran/NK all preemptively emp-ing us in an attack, but never gave much thought to our own government or the NWO globalists.

Yes I fully admit this is in tin foil hat territory... But just because it sounds like it's out there, doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Make sure your iron sights are zeroed correctly. That red dot may become useless.

 

[Snappo]

EMP paranoia is just that. Zener diodes make transorbs and an EMP cannot hurt electronics that have a transorb array. We have been putting transorbs in all military use mother boards since the 50s. Every commercial Data Center incorporates Faraday Cages. In fact, your metal wall / metal roof barns are Faraday cages. If you want to protect electronics throw them in an old broken microwave oven. Just plug it in so it grounds. I worked as a military radar engineer for 12 years. We worked in EMI/RFI chambers for most of our testing. DCAS and NAVPRO would never sign off on military use electronics that cannot survive EMI/RFI testing, immersion testing, salt/fog testing, bang-bang (extreme hot and cold cycling), vibration testing on shakers the size of your living room, and ballistic shock testing. EMP hysterics are just that.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

EMP paranoia is just that. Zener diodes make transorbs and an EMP cannot hurt electronics that have a transorb array. We have been putting transorbs in all military use mother boards since the 50s. Every commercial Data Center incorporates Faraday Cages. In fact, your metal wall / metal roof barns are Faraday cages. If you want to protect electronics throw them in an old broken microwave oven. Just plug it in so it grounds. I worked as a military radar engineer for 12 years. We worked in EMI/RFI chambers for most of our testing. DCAS and NAVPRO would never sign off on military use electronics that cannot survive EMI/RFI testing, immersion testing, salt/fog testing, bang-bang (extreme hot and cold cycling), vibration testing on shakers the size of your living room, and ballistic shock testing. EMP hysterics are just that.

Would it take down the civilian power grid? Transformers?

Dr. Peter pry seems like a really smart guy and he has some different conclusions on how much risk there is.

But to go back to the original article the general speculation is some sort of deliberate "grid down scenario" (possibly emp related) to stop the election.

 

[Snappo]

Would it take down the civilian power grid? Transformers?

Dr. Peter pry seems like a really smart guy and he has some different conclusions on how much risk there is.

But to go back to the original article the general speculation is some sort of deliberate "grid down scenario" (possibly emp related) to stop the election.

There isn't a civilian power plant in our country with 1 single circuit board that wasn't approved by DoD. Government reserves the right ro take over the power grid . And for the record, solar flares are an order of magnitude more badass than any man made EMP pulse. And I don't know that guy Dr Peter but my Undergrad was EET at Weber State and my Masters and Doctorate were LaSalle and Regis. I spent 12 years as a Radar Quality Engineer at United Technologies Norden Systems before being a consultant. I worked on JSTARS, B52, A6E, EA6B, SR71, A12, and on the MX Peacekeeper nuclear launch support console. I also spent a year on MIFASS and the ODU for the space shuttle. There isn't anything I don't know about EMI/RFI, having spent 12 years doing electronics testing at Norden Systems. We had the largest environmental test facility in the United States and EMI chambers the size of a house.

 

[C3D]

Would it take down the civilian power grid? Transformers?

Dr. Peter pry seems like a really smart guy and he has some different conclusions on how much risk there is.

But to go back to the original article the general speculation is some sort of deliberate "grid down scenario" (possibly emp related) to stop the election.

There isn't a civilian power plant in our country with 1 single circuit board that wasn't approved by DoD. Government reserves the right ro take over the power grid . And for the record, solar flares are an order of magnitude more badass than any man made EMP pulse. And I don't know that guy Dr Peter but my Undergrad was EET at Weber State and my Masters and Doctorate were LaSalle and Regis. I spent 12 years as a Radar Quality Engineer at United Technologies Norden Systems before being a consultant. I worked on JSTARS, B52, A6E, EA6B, SR71, A12, and on the MX Peacekeeper nuclear launch support console. I also spent a year on MIFASS and the ODU for the space shuttle. There isn't anything I don't know about EMI/RFI, having spent 12 years doing electronics testing at Norden Systems. We had the largest environmental test facility in the United States and EMI chambers the size of a house.

With all deference to your background, I've read Pry's book (Blackout Wars) and a dozen other fiction and non-fiction books.

An EMP, combined with a large cyberattacks and select "kinetic" attacks on key assets is a nightmare scenario and a very realistic one. Within two weeks of the grid going down, all in our country would be irretrievably lost. And unfortunately such an attack seems to be what North Korean nuclear and ballistic assets are being developed for.

It is the number one vulnerability we face as a country short of direct nuclear attack.

 

[Phauxtoe]

hey would an EMP fry a Smart gun?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

With all deference to your background, I've read Pry's book (Blackout Wars) and a dozen other fiction and non-fiction books.

An EMP, combined with a large cyberattacks and select "kinetic" attacks on key assets is a nightmare scenario and a very realistic one. Within two weeks of the grid going down, all in our country would be irretrievably lost. And unfortunately such an attack seems to be what North Korean nuclear and ballistic assets are being developed for.

It is the number one vulnerability we face as a country short of direct nuclear attack.

Excellent analysis and terrifying consequences, in this scenario NK could realisticall cripple us. I also wonder whether China would prod NK to do this behind the scenes, like NK be the patsie and take the fall which would open up the door for China to do anything the want in the Pacific basin and australia

 

[Snappo]

With all deference to your background, I've read Pry's book (Blackout Wars) and a dozen other fiction and non-fiction books.

An EMP, combined with a large cyberattacks and select "kinetic" attacks on key assets is a nightmare scenario and a very realistic one. Within two weeks of the grid going down, all in our country would be irretrievably lost. And unfortunately such an attack seems to be what North Korean nuclear and ballistic assets are being developed for.

It is the number one vulnerability we face as a country short of direct nuclear attack.

An EMP cannot damage any electronics with a transorb array or any electronics in a Faraday Cage. Jesus Christ could come back and personally write a book and it won't change the laws of physics in our Universe. Electrons, protons, neutrons, and how electrons travel is a reality this guy's book cannot magically change. Period.

 

[C3D]

An EMP cannot damage any electronics with a transorb array or any electronics in a Faraday Cage. Jesus Christ could come back and personally write a book and it won't change the laws of physics in our Universe. Electrons, protons, neutrons, and how electrons travel is a reality this guy's book cannot magically change. Period.

Snappo nobody takes exception with your qualifications or the laws of physics. But have you read the book? The gist is that low level unprotected SCADAS systems are taken out, the cyberattacks cause widespread disruption, and a handful of ultra high volt transformers are disabled by rifle fire and/or the EMP. The grid can't heal itself and degrades quite rapidly to the point of no return.

Sound outlandish? The bad guys already tested it out, and it worked. The book has a dozen other examples too.

If you want to borrow my copy I will be happy to mail it as long as you send it back.

 

[fnfalguy]

EMP is a rabbit hole that once someone goes down it, they can get lost forever. I'll keep preparing for more likely events. Solo mi dos centavos.

 

[Snappo]

OK I'm gonna read this article if it ever loads (I am on my tablet).

1) Scare tactic article. No nuclear plant can melt down due to an EMP. EMP's affect electronics. Nuclear plants have manual tools for core/rod manipulation, movement of water/coolant, etc. Only a catastrophic physical event like Fukushiima could cause that kind of situation.

2) As I said earlier, find out what a transorb array is. Transient-voltage-suppression diode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3) Understand what an electro magnetic pulse is. Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4) Understand the single component of an EMP - a gamma ray. It's the same anywhere in this universe. Gamma ray - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5) Understand what a Faraday Cage is. Faraday cage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While we are all here because firearms are our common hobby, we all do something for a living. I spent over a decade post-academia designing and testing radar and working with the CAE engineers that supported our design work. After that I spent a decade telling Uncle Sam how to get all of the test data of radar systems into an ERP (in particular, SAP) so they could do qualitative and quantitative analysis supporting O&E of their radar systems properly to trend systems coming out of tolerance on an electronic component basis. Then this final decade of my work career I have been telling companies how to bring their critical transactional and analytic data into the cloud and presently am the Director of Systems Engineering for the largest data center company on the planet. This is what I and my thousands of colleagues do every day, and we are a $80 billion a year company with almost 200K employees. We worry about data centers going down and design ways to prevent that through high availability of technology and plans of how to recover from disasters. There is a lot of stuff that's just magic to me in this world, but electrons and gamma rays aren't one of them. It's just electro magnetic radiation from atom decay. We all know this stuff generally from our high school and college days. I promise that no country on this planet has come up with a way to magically alter how a proton works or how digital transistors work in dealing with protons. This guy is writing scare tactics. No different than Y2K, or Ron Paul selling you the concept of a post apocalyptic shit show at 3 AM on some retarded pay-for-play infomercial.

 

[Snappo]

Snappo nobody takes exception with your qualifications or the laws of physics. But have you read the book? The gist is that low level unprotected SCADAS systems are taken out, the cyberattacks cause widespread disruption, and a handful of ultra high volt transformers are disabled by rifle fire and/or the EMP. The grid can't heal itself and degrades quite rapidly to the point of no return.

Sound outlandish? The bad guys already tested it out, and it worked. The book has a dozen other examples too.

If you want to borrow my copy I will be happy to mail it as long as you send it back.

I can ebook it. I typically read anything written by folks like Michio Kaku, Roger Penrose, Stephen Hawking, Edward Whitten, the late Richard Feynman (who actually did a guest lecture when I was at Weber State), the late Albert Einstein, the late Paul Dirak, etc. The giant brains of these physicists always has me in awe. Now granted I don't know this Peter Pry guy from a hole in a wall and maybe he actually is a visionary of sorts; but I have read a shit-ton of books by folks like Mike Evans (Atomic Iran) and other non-physicists and I always come away feeling like it's all hype and scare tactics.

 

[Criticalt]

Super eruption, now thats scary and very possible. Volcanic winter and loss of crops and livestock.
Yellowstone is past due.
Not a world devastating thing but it would change our living for a couple decades.

 

[Big John]

How interesting, nothing I own can be effected by an EMP!!!!!! COOL!!!!

 

[Snappo]

Super eruption, now thats scary and very possible. Volcanic winter and loss of crops and livestock.
Yellowstone is past due.
Not a world devastating thing but it would change our living for a couple decades.

Doesn't even have to come from within. Meteors, solar flares, viral mutations, etc. I spent about a year as tech arch on the CDC Pandemic Flu solution (we used SAP) and the people at CDC scare the holy shit out of me. When 9-11 went down I drove right home to be with my wife and kids and lock the house down, and I remember thinking those muzzies could very well fly a 747 right into the CDC main campus. These folks spend their days and our tens of billions of tax dollars using sophisticated equipment to create viral mutations and see how they react in other cells. Sooner or later this planet is toast due to our sun becoming a red giant; but I am not gonna freak about something that will go down billions of years in the future. EMP's don't scare me, nor do things we cannot control like meteor triggered extinction events. I worry more about some negro or muslim with an AK at the local Wally World on the one day I needed to go down there to buy some toilet paper because he or she thinks all white people had something to do with slavery or because a pedophile named Mohammad thought non-believers all deserved to die or be enslaved. But North Korea, Iran, and China trying to bombard our electronics with protons is basically the LEAST of my worries. I would worry more about the P/E ratio on most companies being way beyond 10 and this market needing to correct. When we each lose a million or more dollars in our 401K's and corporations cannot afford to manufacture anything there are gonna be some pissed off inner-city human beings coming to our farms looking to steal apples and venison jerky.

 

[Snappo]

How interesting, nothing I own can be effected by an EMP!!!!!! COOL!!!!

You own some pre 80's vehicles? I'm jealous. ;-)

 

[Big John]

Yes I have a 1954 Massey Ferguson Tea-20 and a trailer. Oh and my 4 bay garage IS a faraday.

 

[Snappo]

Yes I have a 1954 Massey Ferguson Tea-20 and a trailer. Oh and my 4 bay garage IS a faraday.

Mine too - metal roof and metal sides. Should be fine. My stuff is all modern right now. Nothing EMP proof outside what I park in the barn. I turned my barn into a 10+ bay car barn since there was no friggin way I was gonna own cows. I do summer and winter vehicles; so at any given point 2 or 3 vehicles are in there safe and sound.

 

[Phauxtoe]

should i start keeping my phone in the oven?

 

[Snappo]

should i start keeping my phone in the oven?

Put a burner or two out there along with an extra car electronics module. Also for $25 you can get a hand crank radio that also juices up a phone via USB. Grab that too an throw it in the microwave. NEVER throw out a broken microwave oven. Just cut off the power leads and plug the ground into ground on a socket, and the thing is an epic Faraday Cage.

 

[Phauxtoe]

So why isn't a car a faraday cage
isn't that why you dont get fried if hit by lightning?

 

[Big John]

So why isn't a car a faraday cage
isn't that why you dont get fried if hit by lightning?

Mostly because there are wide open spaces that you look out to be an effective Faraday Cage, then there is the fact that most cars now days are plastic in places that are not structure plastic or fiberglass hoods and trunk decks. Lightning will kill you in a car if you happen to be tuching something metal when it is hit.

 

[BuellSix8]

Lots of great information in here gentlemen and lady. You should make record of some of the advice provided... Pen and paper of course )

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Lots of great information in here gentlemen and lady. You should make record of some of the advice provided... Pen and paper of course )

Unless you keep an Old tablet, or smart phone in a far away cage, and have a solar powered charger in there to keep it juiced up if it's ever needed.

 

[Big John]

Lots of great information in here gentlemen and lady. You should make record of some of the advice provided... Pen and paper of course )

I worked for an engineering firm and one day they were talking about getting rid of the paper copy of our 5000 specs and going electronic only. When asked what we thought I had one question: How many times has the server crashed in the last year where they had to use backups of our info and we lost a week(s) worth of work? We kept the paper version as backup......... oh and guess who had to take care of all the updates to the paper............ yep you guessed it.

 

[BuellSix8]

LoL some things I keep pen and paper and others I actually have an iPad model 1 for others.

My entire house runs on solar (30 industrial panels on a ground mount unit) plus two generators). I am actually waiting for some feedback on new Tesla batteries to see how they pan out before buying in. Let the grid go down, party at my house! Plenty of land for farming, everyone will have a job to do.

 

[pjzwtl]

Super eruption, now thats scary and very possible. Volcanic winter and loss of crops and livestock.
Yellowstone is past due.
Not a world devastating thing but it would change our living for a couple decades.

Could be world devastating if its big enough no crops for a year or two because temps plummet. Think about another year with out a summer like was seen in the 1800's at least back then most folks were adaptable and had the skills to pull through and weren't packed into mega cities

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Here's a good write up on the NK threat

The Threat is Real and Imminent: “Two North Korean Satellites Orbiting Over U.S. May Be Armed With Miniaturized Super-EMP Weapon”

 

[Big John]

Here's a good write up on the NK threat

The Threat is Real and Imminent: “Two North Korean Satellites Orbiting Over U.S. May Be Armed With Miniaturized Super-EMP Weapon”

There are those two little words the "world is coming to an end folks" hide in their HOLY SHIT EVERYBODY HIDE SITES!