EPA sets new ethanol standard for 2022 at 15% minimum

[Saltwater60]

There will be lots of pissed off people. I’ll be one of them. I don’t really have ethanol free gas close to me. Now I’ll have to go out of my way to get it. Same with my dad for his boat. Many won’t know this and will damage engines. Yes I use 10% ethanol gas in my small engines, but I won’t use 15%.

EPA raises amount of ethanol that must be blended with gas

The Biden administration has set new requirements that increase the amount of ethanol that must be blended into the nation’s gasoline supply.

www.1011now.com

 

[Jezman]

They are doing it so fuel economy goes down. Legal crooks!

 

[1911guy]

The title on this thread should be corrected to change "ethical" to "ethanol"

 

[MothMan]

actually, .gov working at a 15% level for ethical standards seems about right

 

[Deplorable Me]

The title on this thread should be corrected to change "ethical" to "ethanol"

Technically there are no ethical standards.

 

[1911guy]

I would say 15% ETHICAL would be a welcome improvement.
Now I go back to my own preferred alcohol. Bourbon.

 

[Apeman]

So we will have to choose to pay more for non ethanol gas or take a chance on ruining our small engine equipment that can currently run on 10%. Fucking great. Of course they don't give a shit. They should be sued out of existence for intentionally screwing over Americans.

Plus it will lower the fuel economy in cars and truck while gas prices are at record highs. Sounds about right for the fucktards running this shit show of a country.

 

[Saltwater60]

From what I understand 15% in small engines is a no go, but they want you to ruin them and switch to battery so??

 

[Defilade]

Every move is an attack on us and our way of live. If you can't see this YOU are clueless!

 

[Jmac]

From what I understand 15% in small engines is a no go, but they want you to ruin them and switch to battery so??

Correct just bought new zero turn specifically stated don’t use 15% ethanol gas, engines run very hot and will damage engine

 

[FrankenCub]

Does any of that additive actually work for reducing the effects of ethanol?
I won't put 15% in my bike.

 

[SonOfSun]

Looks like big-Ag lobbyists won out over the "green" lobbyists. Normal people were fucked either way.

U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline, study finds

Corn-based ethanol, which for years has been mixed in huge quantities into gasoline sold at U.S. pumps, is likely a much bigger contributor to global warming than straight gasoline, according to a study published Monday.

www.reuters.com

 

[1075tech]

Well, consider that most, if not all, ethanol is produced from corn, which the price of has risen substantially, you'll pay more per gallon and have to use more because the mileage sucks

 

[Saltwater60]

Looks like big-Ag lobbyists won out over the "green" lobbyists. Normal people were fucked either way.

U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than gasoline, study finds

Corn-based ethanol, which for years has been mixed in huge quantities into gasoline sold at U.S. pumps, is likely a much bigger contributor to global warming than straight gasoline, according to a study published Monday.

www.reuters.com

He thinks it will reduce the price, he thinks that in his own little failing mind.

 

[Acer-m14]

its for drinking and not driving lol

 

[livingston]

Biden Administration Quietly Raised Amount of Ethanol Required in Summer Blend Gasoline from Ten Percent to Fifteen, Three Predictable Problems Will Surface Soon​

♦ First issue. – The Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) is a government mandate, passed in 2005 and expanded in 2007, that requires growing volumes of biofuels to be blended into U.S. transportation fuels like gasoline and diesel every year. Approximately 40 percent of corn grown in the U.S. is used for ethanol. Raising the amount of ethanol required in gasoline will result in the need for more biofuel (corn). With farming costs and outputs already under pressure this could be problematic.

♦ Second issue – The EPA enforces the biofuel standard by requiring refineries to submit purchase credits (known as Renewable Identification Numbers, or RINs) to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) proving the purchases. This enforcement requirement sets up a system where the RIN credits are bought and sold by small refineries who do not have the infrastructure to do the blending process. They purchase second-hand RIN credits from parties that blended or imported biofuels directly. This sets up a secondary income stream, a trading market for the larger oil companies, refineries and importers.

The RIN credit trading platform is similar to what we might expect to see if the ‘Carbon Trading’ scheme was ever put into place. However, now that summer biofuel requirements for blended gasoline have gone from 10% to 15%, the price of the RIN credits will likely jump. This will cost refineries billions in additional expenses,…. which will mean the cost of the gasoline from the refineries will increase,….. which will mean the cost of the gasoline at the pump will go higher.


♦ Third Issue – “Ethanol is a valuable source of octane in finished gasoline, but it is chemically different than petroleum gasoline and cannot be used in concentrations above 10 percent in small engines — like outboard boat motors, motorcycles, lawnmowers, generators or chain saws — or in any cars made before 2001. Complicating matters further, most cars on the road today still aren’t warrantied to run on gasoline with more than 10 percent ethanol. Retail stations also must have compatible infrastructure in order to sell gasoline with higher ethanol blends.” This issue is known within the industry as “The Blend Wall.”

Biden Administration Quietly Raised Amount of Ethanol Required in Summer Blend Gasoline from Ten Percent to Fifteen, Three Predictable Problems Will Surface Soon - The Last Refuge

Last Friday the Biden administration raised the mandatory amount of biofuel, specifically ethanol, that must be blended within the U.S. gasoline supply. The previous amount of 10% (summer blend) was raised to a year-round 15% (waiver) by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). This is...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[livingston]

Complicating matters further, most cars on the road today still aren’t warrantied to run on gasoline with more than 10 percent ethanol.

 

[Defilade]

 

[Jmac00]

I see many "additives" that will neutralize the ethanol in gas. Sta-bil is one. Startron maybe another

Obviously this is a direct assault on the small engine industry. The .gov is forcing everyone to battery operated engines.

The guy that comes up with a direct "ethanol" gas treatment will be a millionaire by the end of the month

 

[Cooolone]

UN FUCKING REAL!!!

 

[livingston]

I see many "additives" that will neutralize the ethanol in gas. Sta-bil is one. Startron maybe another

Obviously this is a direct assault on the small engine industry. The .gov is forcing everyone to battery operated engines.

The guy that comes up with a direct "ethanol" gas treatment will be a millionaire by the end of the month

If this voids your car and truck warranty it is a direct assault on all gas powered cars and trucks ... And a push to battery powered auto. .

 

[ManualF150]

It's also bad for farmers. There has been research done that ethanol processing wastes more energy than it's worth.

There is a bunch of small engines that I got that specifically warn against using anything more than 10%. Probably due to ignition timing.

 

[Defilade]

Everything Government touches turns to shit! .Gov needs to stay out of most things. This is just another example.

 

[Saltwater60]

It's also bad for farmers. There has been research done that ethanol processing wastes more energy than it's worth.

There is a bunch of small engines that I got that specifically warn against using anything more than 10%. Probably due to ignition timing.

Exactly what the article I posted says. I think it’s 29% more energy input than you get out of it.
I don’t know that this is about the environment this time it’s about the cost of gas IMO, but they fail to realize this price will rise too.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[spat]

For small engine use, might be worth getting some expensive non ethanol gas to use to dilute the 15% back to 10%.

You don't need to use the expensive gas straight, just use enough to bring the crap back up to acceptable.

Mix the 15% ethanol gas 2:1 with the 0% ethanol gas should do it. That should give you back your 10% ethanol that you trust, but using 1/3 the amount of the hard to find ethanol free stuff.

 

[FrankenCub]

I may start running non eth in my bike, supposedly they sell it in Marathon which is close. Otherwise have to run to Binghamton for it.

 

[Saltwater60]

For small engine use, might be worth getting some expensive non ethanol gas to use to dilute the 15% back to 10%.

You don't need to use the expensive gas straight, just use enough to bring the crap back up to acceptable.

Mix the 15% ethanol gas 2:1 with the 0% ethanol gas should do it. That should give you back your 10% ethanol that you trust, but using 1/3 the amount of the hard to find ethanol free stuff.

Correct. It’s just a PIA for me because there’s no where close to get ethanol free gas for me. I don’t use a ton of it do not a big deal but still aggravating.

 

[Cavalry]

Does any of that additive actually work for reducing the effects of ethanol?
I won't put 15% in my bike.

I don't believe the various snake oil additives do anything. The ethanol is still in there just treated somehow.

It is possible though. Mix 10% water with your gasoline, the alcohol/water will separate out and then can be decanted.
My fuel stations offer 91 octane ethanol free, which I use for my small engines exclusively. I run the first gallon into my truck tank to purge the lines then fill my cans. They sell test kits to check ethanol percentage, they are less than $20 I believe.

 

[camper4lyfe]

Did anyone read the article? Is that one of the worst articles ever written, or what?