FEDS Allow Gun Stores to Open, Just Not Here

[Edwardteach72]

So, I am the bad guy because I searched around to find an FFL that would do the transfer? Me getting my lower was important to me, it affected me; therefore, I did what work needed to be done to get the product that I wanted.


Selling of guns, yep, that brought in cash for me, so I searched for FFL's that would take the sold guns and were willing to complete the deal.

See how that works? When something matters to me, I do what needs to be done.

Nope I'm glad you were able to get what you wanted and that your FFL has flown under the radar. That's great..

I'm happy for you,

I'm sad for those who don't have that in their area, for those who cant get their first gun, or found an awesome sale but cant get it, or found that unicorn gun on gun broker but cant close the sale because they dont have an FFL near them.

Or or oR just because there may be one even just one simple possibility that someone somewhere in this state cannot Keep and Bear Arms because of the govenor and the state shutting down gun stores.

That actually really makes me mad, to think, even if only one person was affected, and even if I dont know them and may never know them, that doesn't sit right with me because, again I actually believe in and support the 2A .....

But I get it you dont care if others are infringed on and long as you dont feel you are infringed upon..

 

[GOPerfect]

I still cannot find where it says this cannot be done. I just read 7 of Cumholes Executive orders; where does it state that these transfers cannot be done?

Is it possible that these FFL's are just not doing these? Can anyone show me where it is unlawful to do these transfers?

Anyone???????

 

[Darth]

 

[REF]

Of course I care about me. Don't you?

My point was, there are in FACT, FFL's open in NY State. All of them? Nope. Gotta look... Seek and ye shall find.

The point I was making in this thread was-
- Federally, all gun stores are SUPPOSED to be open for business
- In the great state of New York only SOME are open
- Cuomo says NONE are to be open, not even by appointment, etc....
This should concern everyone who cherishes their right to own, purchase firearms, even the “privileged “ few that have successfully purchased, sold said firearms, ammo, in the last few weeks.
And it should be especially concerning for any FFL that is still running right now, even by appointment, because according to the letter to Firing Pin, they are all operating illegally.

 

[Robin]

What's a boomer?

 

[Edwardteach72]

 

[BDinPutnam]

The point I was making in this thread was-
- Federally, all gun stores are SUPPOSED to be open for business
- In the great state of New York only SOME are open
- Cuomo says NONE are to be open, not even by appointment, etc....
This should concern everyone who cherishes their right to own, purchase firearms, even the “privileged “ few that have successfully purchased, sold said firearms, ammo, in the last few weeks.
And it should be especially concerning for any FFL that is still running right now, even by appointment, because according to the letter to Firing Pin, they are all operating illegally.

"- Federally, all gun stores are SUPPOSED to be open for business "

That's not what it says. You make it sound like NY is afoul of some federal edict / order, which is clearly not the case.

 

[REF]

"- Federally, all gun stores are SUPPOSED to be open for business "

That's not what it says. You make it sound like NY is afoul of some federal edict / order, which is clearly not the case.

You are correct, bad choice of words on my part. But to my defense, NY is not ALLOWING you access to a Federally fundamental right embedded in the foundation of this country so they may as well be bluntly tell Fed.Gov to f&#k off.
Joe Schmo- Hey, during these trying times , I’d like to, for the first time in my life, exercise my 2A right right.
NY- Eat a bag of dicks, you can’t right now.
A right delayed is a right denied.

 

[BDinPutnam]

You are correct, bad choice of words on my part. But to my defense, NY is not ALLOWING you access to a Federally fundamental right embedded in the foundation of this country so they may as well be bluntly tell Fed.Gov to f&#k off.
Joe Schmo- Hey, during these trying times , I’d like to, for the first time in my life, exercise my 2A right right.
NY- Eat a bag of dicks, you can’t right now.
A right delayed is a right denied.

I agree with you except for the "federal government" part.

 

[IrishMick]

The government "allowing" or "not allowing" the people to exercise a right is utter bullshit and massive overreach.

 

[Jaywmustang]

My friends son just went to gander in Cicero and he was told they are only selling rv stuff in that store.

 

[Shadow2]

Okay. Not really sure what this means, as usual.

I think America has bigger worries than gun stores being closed right now. Again, as usual; apparently, we disagree.

But, you won't explain why you think we disagree. You will take things out of context, as usual, and bring up something very non-relevant.

Whats the larger worry? A flu?

 

[Saltwater60]

And how is that legal then based on the OP?

Cuomos the king he can do as he pleases. Honestly with the state of emergency he passed a law right before that he needs no approval to do anything. I mean he can basically do anything.

 

[Saltwater60]

My friends son just went to gander in Cicero and he was told they are only selling rv stuff in that store.

Glad I didn’t stop by the one in Hamburg the other day.

 

[Duke]

I wonder if the small gun shops can sell and deliver ammo like pizza??

 

[tc556guy]

Okay. Not really sure what this means, as usual.

I think America has bigger worries than gun stores being closed right now. Again, as usual; apparently, we disagree.

But, you won't explain why you think we disagree. You will take things out of context, as usual, and bring up something very non-relevant.

Being able to exercise a Constitutional right should not depend on a virus being used as a trojan horse to undermine peoples rights

If the criminal justice system is going to let the criminal element out of jails and prisons on the thin excuse of Covid, then the law abiding citizen needs lawful access to firearms and ammunition with which to defend themselves against said feral criminals

I HAD been operating under the sole proprietor exemption that was in the original policy release that went out.
Last week they issued a revised policy, and wonder of wonder there was no more sole proprietor exemption.
HOWEVER, what did remain was a carve-out for "fulfillment of internet and phone orders".
So now my regulars email me or call me with an order. I fill it and meet them in the driveway. The only requirement is that I have to be alone in the workplace while I am filling the order. Easy enough to meet that standard.

ATF just released that ruling that business can be conducted anywhere on the licensed premises address, which dovetails in OK with the revised NY guidance. So as I said, I meet them in my driveway. They don't even get out of their cars.

I have a safe full of guns I can't transfer, and more coming every week. It is unfortunate for my regulars, some of whom have multiple guns waiting for them in my safe by now. Guns that in some cases were back-ordered for months prior to the virus scare.
Orders from my wholesalers still take three weeks or so to arrive after the order is placed, so this week I'm getting hit with huge resupply amounts. I already warned my FedEx guy that he's going to hate me this week.
Government should not have the ability to deem businesses essential or non-essential. That should be left up to the consumer. If the consumer thinks that its too risky to go out to pick up a particular item sold by the hardware store, then eventually the hardware store will close due to lack of business And hardware sales aren't even constitutionally protected.

 

[tc556guy]

I can’t find a ffl in my area willing to do a transfer

The Firing Pin example on page one is one reason why.

It's been discussed here that NYS is fining small FFLs $10,000 under State Health regulations when they're found to still be open.
A "P form" going to Albany after a handgun transfer is proof that the FFL is still operating.
I'm not entirely certain that transferring to a LEO on their badge would be entirely allowed for most FFLs whose primary customer base is not the local LEOs
Even long gun sales could potentially get the FFL in trouble, if the NYSP decide to start spot-checking dealers since they're not pulling over as many cars as they normally do.

 

[tc556guy]

…...
I have everything that I need, and if for some reason I need another, I will go my FFL and get what I want. For others, I do not care.

"Good enough for me and not for thee", eh? I know a couple of LEOs with that opinion, and its disheartening that they think that way.
You're right that people should be prepared, but there are always some who are late to the game, and they should not be forbidden to be able to protect themselves just because they waited too long to buy something, or the thing they had on back-order for months finally arrived after a completely arbitrary date set forth by the State.

 

[tc556guy]

I still cannot find where it says this cannot be done. I just read 7 of Cumholes Executive orders; where does it state that these transfers cannot be done?

Is it possible that these FFL's are just not doing these? Can anyone show me where it is unlawful to do these transfers?

Anyone???????

Cuomo said that gun stores are non-essential.
Non-essential businesses are not allowed to operate without an exemption. Small FFLs are reportedly being fined by the state for remaining in operation.
How specific do we need to get for you?
As a LEO, sales to you are probably covered because you're an essential person. You can buy guns on your badge, even in counties where no coupons are being issued by the pistol permit divisions of the sheriff's office. You are not feeling the effects of the states shut-down as it relates to this issue.

 

[tc556guy]

The Firing Pin was called and told if they didnt close then the state would pull their business license. That is just one example and of a large shop

I would not be surprised if the state has been following that store with a huge magnifying glass since the VA rally

 

[GOPerfect]

Cuomo said that gun stores are non-essential.
Non-essential businesses are not allowed to operate without an exemption. Small FFLs are reportedly being fined by the state for remaining in operation.
How specific do we need to get for you?
As a LEO, sales to you are probably covered because you're an essential person. You can buy guns on your badge, even in counties where no coupons are being issued by the pistol permit divisions of the sheriff's office. You are not feeling the effects of the states shut-down as it relates to this issue.

The FFL that I use is open to the public, not jujustLE. So, let's get off that horse. Gets old.

I will ask again, where is the documentation that says fines are being assessed? Real examples. Not just, "I heard....".

And I will repeat, I care about what is important to me, my family, my close friends; those in my inner circle. I have never been shy about this.

Love me or hate me, matters none. Importance is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[tc556guy]

The FFL that I use is open to the public, not jujustLE. So, let's get off that horse. Gets old.

I will ask again, where is the documentation that says fines are being assessed? Real examples. Not just, "I heard....".

And I will repeat, I care about what is important to me, my family, my close friends; those in my inner circle. I have never been shy about this.

Love me or hate me, matters none. Importance is in the eye of the beholder.

How often does the NYSP come down with something hey enforce that's not in writing, but just their opinion, or their interpretation?
It happens, a LOT.
The Mares Leg is one such example where they unilaterally decided it wasn't NY legal.

I know that the guidance says that non-compliant businesses can be hit with a 10,000 fine. No, I'm not cataloguing examples of FFLs being shut down across the state. Its bad enough that we have even one such instance as with the Firing Pin store.

As a small FFL no one else is going to pay such a fine if it were to be imposed on me. My regulars would be out of my services as an FFL because I'm about the only one left in my county. The state doesn't need to go after each and every FFL, thy just need to make a high profile example of one or two or three.

That aside, does the fact that people cannot pick up their property because the pistol permit divisions are shut down..doesn't that register as a PROBLEM for you? I'm hearing that Monroe, Schuyler and one other county are finally going to mailing coupons to buyers, but the vast majority of other counties are just sitting on their hands and doing nothing to further the sales process, because the state deemed handgun transfers "non-essential". That wasn't in the states public release that you're quoting. That's included in the guidance from the state about which court functions should continue during reduced governmental operations.

I get it that you're all about you. That's a horrible attitude to have. And I say that as someone who had 32 years on the job.

 

[GOPerfect]

How often does the NYSP come down with something hey enforce that's not in writing, but just their opinion, or their interpretation?
It happens, a LOT.
The Mares Leg is one such example where they unilaterally decided it wasn't NY legal.

I know that the guidance says that non-compliant businesses can be hit with a 10,000 fine. No, I'm not cataloguing examples of FFLs being shut down across the state. Its bad enough that we have even one such instance as with the Firing Pin store.

As a small FFL no one else is going to pay such a fine if it were to be imposed on me. My regulars would be out of my services as an FFL because I'm about the only one left in my county. The state doesn't need to go after each and every FFL, thy just need to make a high profile example of one or two or three.

That aside, does the fact that people cannot pick up their property because the pistol permit divisions are shut down..doesn't that register as a PROBLEM for you? I'm hearing that Monroe, Schuyler and one other county are finally going to mailing coupons to buyers, but the vast majority of other counties are just sitting on their hands and doing nothing to further the sales process, because the state deemed handgun transfers "non-essential".

I get it that you're all about you. That's a horrible attitude to have. And I say that as someone who had 32 years on the job.

And again, my attitude has nothing to do with my employment.

I am concerned about things that effect me.

Example, I have lost nearly $80,000 in the stock market. This is important to me. It is not important to others. I do not expect it to matter to someone else.

I have a lot of food and savings... Those that have no food, they are not my concern. Those who have not purchased enough ammo for what they think they need, again, not my problem. If someone is in my circle, it is a concern, I would assist them. Strangers? Um, no.

I personally know many FFL holders, I have spoken to a few of them in the past few weeks. They are doing transfers. They have heard nor have they seen anything like what is being discussed here. No threats of fines or closure.

Can anyone show a single document that says the state is timing these individual FFL's?

 

[Edwardteach72]

Imagine comparing personal finances to infringements of rights

 

[GOPerfect]

Imagine comparing personal finances to infringements of rights

No comparison at all explaining what is important to me. You have a serious misunderstanding of reading comprehension.

 

[GOPerfect]

Imagine comparing personal finances to infringements of rights

Still no proof that the state is finding $10,000 though

 

[Edwardteach72]

No comparison at all explaining what is important to me. You have a serious misunderstanding of reading comprehension.

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I will go my FFL and get what I want. For others, I do not care.

Again you dont care (as you stated before) if others are infringed for their rights because it doesnt affect you

 

[GOPerfect]

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Again you dont care (as you stated before) if others are infringed for their rights because it doesnt affect you

Correct. Now you got it.

I have important things in my life, I do not have time the issues of people that I do not know and will never know.

Why is this so hard to comprehend?

Life is way too short for me to care about ALL others.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Imagine admitting you dont actually care about the 2A especially if its others being affected as long as you arent affected.

100% turncoat fudd shit right there..


And your proud about it

 

[Edwardteach72]

Yup lifes to short to care about infringement of rights of people