Felon sentenced to 46 months for possession of a bullet

[spat]

Like I said before, im all for legalizeing some drugs. But, THEY ARENT LEGAL NOW!!
So, saying drugs are a non violent crime doesnt hold water.
Sure many drug arrests are non violent addicts, but many more are for assault and murder DIRECTLY because of drugs.

By that logic every crime is a violent crime. People have gotten killed over embezzlement and other white collar crimes too.

Murder, assault, those are violent crimes. Possession or sale of drugs are not. If someone gets killed in a drug related crime, the charge is murder or manslaughter, not possession or distribution.

 

[Jmac00]

This is where I get jammed up. I think there is a difference in what type of felon should get their rights back.

We can all probably agree that not everyone in jail is guilty. There are crappy defense lawyers, unethical or overly assertive DA's, imperfect police work, lying witnesses, mistakes etc...

I don't think violent felons who are demonstrated to be a threat to society should get their rights back.

However i think there are plenty of non violent felons or maybe even violent reformed felons that should have their rights re instated.

Anyone can get rail roared by the system either by error, series of unfortunate coincidences, malice, corruption etc... I hate the idea of an innocent person or a non violent crimal losing their rights forever.

It seems unamerican to me that even though someone is punished and does the time and is hopefully reformed that they can no longer vote, own firearms etc... Its a very slippery slope.

this guy is a repeat, repeat offender. he has demonstrated that he can not live in a civilized society. He should be put away and throw away the key.

 

[Darth]

this guy is a repeat, repeat offender. he has demonstrated that he can not live in a civilized society. He should be put away and throw away the key.

Don't you think, maybe, our parole board standard should be reviewed?

If you can't be trusted with a gun, you should not be in free society.

 

[Darth]

Are people killing themselves in Chicago over ounces of marijuana in drug deals gone bad? Yes.

Are people killing themselves in Detroit over Turf Wars for selling marijuana on certain street corners? Yes.

Are people smuggling in marijuana in airplanes, boats, and cars to states like NY? Yes.

Is any of this happening in Colorado? No.

Is any of this happening even with hard drugs in Amsterdam? No.

Did violence occur during Prohibition for alcohol? Yes.

After Prohibition for alcohol? No.

Over a tax on tea?

Without representation?

 

[Darth]

I feel like the Milo of this forum.

 

[4excal]

Are people killing themselves in Chicago over ounces of marijuana in drug deals gone bad? Yes.

Are people killing themselves in Detroit over Turf Wars for selling marijuana on certain street corners? Yes.

Are people smuggling in marijuana in airplanes, boats, and cars to states like NY? Yes.

Is any of this happening in Colorado? No.

Is any of this happening even with hard drugs in Amsterdam? No.

Did violence occur during Prohibition for alcohol? Yes.

After Prohibition for alcohol? No.

Excellent post.

The problem with the this Country is the elites have built their fortunes and "careers" on this war on drugs garbage..legalization witll mean the end of many many 3 letter Government agencies and the lose of the fat cat status quo..same reason why when Tesla made wireless,electric cars,DC energy or even solar energy the greed said no no no never!..and most of that was 100 years ago..Fuck this greedy bullshit Country!

 

[Cooolone]

Fuck this greedy bullshit Country!

I would love to know your plan of exercising your conviction! Are you like the tree Huggers who feel so put off you want to leave? The "COUNTRY" is not the problem, the result of the raping and bastardizing the system is NOT the COUNTRY's issue, but is beholden to those entirely who do so. Nothing personal, I just think your hostility is misplaced.

To the Felons... Is an interesting topic to explore regarding the retention of RIGHTS by convicts. Justice Thomas hinted at such in a recent 2A ruling. But I'll leave it be for another thread.

As to the completely disgusting trip that Barack Hussein Obama is currently on, by commuting the sentences of over 1,000 CONVICTED Felons, over 350 of them "LIFE" sentences and 80% minorities. He has done what the previous 11 POTUS have not done "COMBINED"... And yes, drugs are different than a broker stealing grandma's savings In respect to it being "VIOLENT". Has anyone who commented actually looked at the convictions of some of those sentences he's commuted? 5lbs of Heroin, 2 Kilograms of Cocaine, etc., etc. there's soooooooo many it's disgusting. I would beg differ that before you judge those crimes to be victimless/non-violent, that you visit a rehab center and see for yourself. Not that the lowlife who stole grandma's savings shouldn't be drawn and quartered on Sunday in a public Square ; ) Anyways, the fact that he aligns it (His Methodology) with injustice applied due to the special circumstances of a Justice system weighted towards unfairness attributed to certain demographics and race is just fucking outrageous in its moronic simplicity. He doesn't want to talk about those same demographics and race as a culture, or at the failing of the Gov't to promote and preserve education standards and work opportunity at livable sustainable levels for all here. The BS legalization of gambling, drugs and wholesale moral degradation by our Gov't, (Fed, State and Local) is without precedent in our history. Do they think that the consequence will be healthy for society as a whole? Couple that with the loss of religion and the promotion of alternate lifestyle agendas and whoola! Simmering powder keg just waiting for the right catalyst to ignite the whole kittenkaboodle...

So, back to the OP... Yeah, it's not about a fuckin Bullet, not even close!

 

[4excal]

I would love to know your plan of exercising your conviction! Are you like the tree Huggers who feel so put off you want to leave? The "COUNTRY" is not the problem, the result of the raping and bastardizing the system is NOT the COUNTRY's issue, but is beholden to those entirely who do so. Nothing personal, I just think your hostility is misplaced.

To the Felons... Is an interesting topic to explore regarding the retention of RIGHTS by convicts. Justice Thomas hinted at such in a recent 2A ruling. But I'll leave it be for another thread.

As to the completely disgusting trip that Barack Hussein Obama is currently on, by commuting the sentences of over 1,000 CONVICTED Felons, over 350 of them "LIFE" sentences and 80% minorities. He has done what the previous 11 POTUS have not done "COMBINED"... And yes, drugs are different than a broker stealing grandma's savings In respect to it being "VIOLENT". Has anyone who commented actually looked at the convictions of some of those sentences he's commuted? 5lbs of Heroin, 2 Kilograms of Cocaine, etc., etc. there's soooooooo many it's disgusting. I would beg differ that before you judge those crimes to be victimless/non-violent, that you visit a rehab center and see for yourself. Not that the lowlife who stole grandma's savings shouldn't be drawn and quartered on Sunday in a public Square ; ) Anyways, the fact that he aligns it (His Methodology) with injustice applied due to the special circumstances of a Justice system weighted towards unfairness attributed to certain demographics and race is just fucking outrageous in its moronic simplicity. He doesn't want to talk about those same demographics and race as a culture, or at the failing of the Gov't to promote and preserve education standards and work opportunity at livable sustainable levels for all here. The BS legalization of gambling, drugs and wholesale moral degradation by our Gov't, (Fed, State and Local) is without precedent in our history. Do they think that the consequence will be healthy for society as a whole? Couple that with the loss of religion and the promotion of alternate lifestyle agendas and whoola! Simmering powder keg just waiting for the right catalyst to ignite the whole kittenkaboodle...

So, back to the OP... Yeah, it's not about a fuckin Bullet, not even close!

Yea...I'm a tree hugger..lol

 

[spat]

I would love to know your plan of exercising your conviction! Are you like the tree Huggers who feel so put off you want to leave? The "COUNTRY" is not the problem, the result of the raping and bastardizing the system is NOT the COUNTRY's issue, but is beholden to those entirely who do so. Nothing personal, I just think your hostility is misplaced.

To the Felons... Is an interesting topic to explore regarding the retention of RIGHTS by convicts. Justice Thomas hinted at such in a recent 2A ruling. But I'll leave it be for another thread.

As to the completely disgusting trip that Barack Hussein Obama is currently on, by commuting the sentences of over 1,000 CONVICTED Felons, over 350 of them "LIFE" sentences and 80% minorities. He has done what the previous 11 POTUS have not done "COMBINED"... And yes, drugs are different than a broker stealing grandma's savings In respect to it being "VIOLENT". Has anyone who commented actually looked at the convictions of some of those sentences he's commuted? 5lbs of Heroin, 2 Kilograms of Cocaine, etc., etc. there's soooooooo many it's disgusting. I would beg differ that before you judge those crimes to be victimless/non-violent, that you visit a rehab center and see for yourself. Not that the lowlife who stole grandma's savings shouldn't be drawn and quartered on Sunday in a public Square ; ) Anyways, the fact that he aligns it (His Methodology) with injustice applied due to the special circumstances of a Justice system weighted towards unfairness attributed to certain demographics and race is just fucking outrageous in its moronic simplicity. He doesn't want to talk about those same demographics and race as a culture, or at the failing of the Gov't to promote and preserve education standards and work opportunity at livable sustainable levels for all here. The BS legalization of gambling, drugs and wholesale moral degradation by our Gov't, (Fed, State and Local) is without precedent in our history. Do they think that the consequence will be healthy for society as a whole? Couple that with the loss of religion and the promotion of alternate lifestyle agendas and whoola! Simmering powder keg just waiting for the right catalyst to ignite the whole kittenkaboodle...

So, back to the OP... Yeah, it's not about a fuckin Bullet, not even close!

I am sure the guy with 5lbs of heroine has done some bad shit, probably killed a few people. probably in cold blood.


But, if those aren't the crimes he was convicted of, then they aren't the ones he should be punished for.

Sale (by definition a transaction between consenting adults) and possession are not violent. What is the violence, to whom was it directed ?

 

[GOPerfect]

Just like the guy that was arrested in buffalo last night for drugs and explosives. He had gun powder. They showed it on the news. Not pipe bombs. Gun powder in its original cases.

That was a good arrest. The Police also found military grade C-4 a detonating cord and time fuse.

The guy they arrested that night, very good that he is locked up, again.

 

[Cooolone]

Lol, excal

Spat, sorry, but you didn't answer (rehab), 5lbs of heroine isn't violent? Have you been to a rehab? Know anyone trying to get off that shit? Have you seen the number of OD's associated with it? This isn't alcohol or marijuana, which can have the same effect but takes years of abuse. This is a substance which in one application can change a life, in the most grotesque, violent and prejudicial manner. I know people who've been affected, been in treatment, know others who's lives were changed forever because of drugs or by someone using drugs (kid killed by drugged driver). I'm not talking about throwing the book at the user, but the pusher, the big time dealer! Those who really are responsible for weight, distribution and whatnot. There is a distinct difference between those two, the one that can't help themselves, and the one profiting off that. And when you look at the convictions this POS POTUS has commuted, you can do nothing more than scratch your head. Other countries put these type of people to the firing squad, something I believe is worthy their life choices!

 

[spat]

Lol, excal

Spat, sorry, but you didn't answer (rehab), 5lbs of heroine isn't violent? Have you been to a rehab? Know anyone trying to get off that shit? Have you seen the number of OD's associated with it? This isn't alcohol or marijuana, which can have the same effect but takes years of abuse. This is a substance which in one application can change a life, in the most grotesque, violent and prejudicial manner. I know people who've been affected, been in treatment, know others who's lives were changed forever because of drugs or by someone using drugs (kid killed by drugged driver). I'm not talking about throwing the book at the user, but the pusher, the big time dealer! Those who really are responsible for weight, distribution and whatnot. There is a distinct difference between those two, the one that can't help themselves, and the one profiting off that. And when you look at the convictions this POS POTUS has commuted, you can do nothing more than scratch your head. Other countries put these type of people to the firing squad, something I believe is worthy their life choices!

If you force someone to take heroine against their will, that would be violent. Selling it to them is not. No matter how much violence the addict commits, the act of giving some to someone who wants it IS NOT VIOLENT. What definition of the word violence are you using that it is ?

 

[4excal]

Lol, excal

 

[UpStateEd]

I'm a NY Bail Bondsman and had a 21 year old and 40 year mother of (4) die this year from heroin overdose while out on my bond...providing the heroin resulted in two deaths in this small community...maybe not violent to handover the drug but they - the dealer - essentially killed those people. Tell the parents and children that selling heroin isn't a violent crime.

 

[Airborneguy]

Last count was 81 overdoses on SI this year from Heroin. We get about 1 a week in my precinct. Sometimes they're beneficial to my work load, I have to admit.

 

[GOPerfect]

As to the OP, this has so very little to due with a single bullet. If you think it's about one round of ammo, you should start understanding reality.

As to the drug issue that this turned into...

I am not sure exactly where I stand on the issue of usage, freedom to use and/or legalization. I have spent a decent amount of time thinking about it. My opinion changes all of the time.

I will say this, all the people who say that drug use does not effect others, you could be more wrong. I received a study document a while back with some interesting stats. Nearly 95% of Heroin Addicts in New York State are unemployed and living off of the system. They are on Medicaid, they receive welfare and food stamps. They get these things because they cannot work due to being on heroin.

If an addict overdoses and EMT, Police or Fire respond, they have to give Narcan until the "victim" responds. In NY State, one shot of Narcan costs about $200. In Erie County, so far this year, nearly 1000 injections have been given to these "victims". That is only one County. Who do you think is paying for this? After they are brought down off of their high, they are sent to the hospital so they can Detox off of whatever drug they are on. Any where from 2 days to two weeks. Again, they do not pay. It sets at the foot of the tax-payers.

For those who think all of these drugs should be legal to take whenever the user wants, fine. At the same time, I would need laws to be created that they get NO public assistance monies. They would not be brought back to life with Narcan, they would not get free medical care to detox. If they got arrested for other crimes while high, they would get no additional treatment while in jail waiting for their court date.

Please stop saying that this drug issue has no bearing upon the rest of Society.