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I feel so strongly about this I subjected myself to the spam to submit the following in the comment box:

This is a gross and despicable, not to mention blatantly unconstitutional, invasion of privacy.
Aside for that using a person's opinions and beliefs to potentially deny a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, is both immoral and illegal.
This is precisely the sort of nonsense that caused me to leave the state of New York along with hundreds of thousands of others. Soon to be millions I'm sure.
You sir, should be ashamed of yourself.
 
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not my district so irrelevant, when it comes to renewal i just plan to not supply the info and once denied I don't plan to turn in my pistols, about time to tell the state to go fuck itself.
 
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Here's what I wrote. For what good it will do.

It is an invasion of privacy. What constitutes hate speech or violent language? Who is the one who determines that? The State Police? The Legislature? Someone else? What if someone has no social media accounts? What devices are subject to search? For how long? Is there a clear path of due process for those who are denies because of social media investigations? What if your account was hacked? Name one other rights that requires an investigation of electronic devices or even of personal affects and papers in order to exercise? This is ripe for abuse by the State.

The bill needs to be scrubbed completely. It is ripe for abuse and will be used solely as an agent of firearm confiscation. If someone passes a background check they should be allowed to own a gun. No further investigation required.
 
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Are they goddamn nuts? Surrender password to "Google?" That would give a stranger unfettered access to Gmail, Google Docs photos, Google Drive, calendars, YouTube channel, and searches.

NFW!
 
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Yesterday WBNG-TV in Binghamton reported the results of their informal Twitter poll on this and the results were 54% of the respondents were in favor of this law.
 
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Even though he is not of my district, and even though I feel this paints a target on my back, at some point Law Abiding Citizens MUST stand up against tyranny.

I left a few choice words myself.

Explain your answer:
What you are proposing is a direct violation of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments as stated in the Bill of rights.
You are, in effect, suppressing the free speech of American Citizens by holding their Rights hostage unless they submit to onerous and, frankly, unConstitutional searches.
If you really feel this strongly about such a drastic and draconian invasion of the privacy of American Citizens, then I recommend you start with yourself and others within the State government, and those seeking to fill those positions. As a requirement for your position you should have to submit to each and every Law that the 'common man' must endure.

What changes would you recommend:
I would recommend you scrap this attempt at fascism, re-read the Constitution and Bill of Rights, study our Founding Fathers, and remember that YOU ARE HERE FOR THE PEOPLE.
This behavior is something I would expect from governments in Cuba, Syria, Russia, China, or Venezuela, to name a few. Not what I would have expected in the so called "Land Of The Free".
 
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Usually, polls are drafted with a slant already incorporated in the wording. This poll reads like it was drafted by an anti Constitutional member of Moms Demand action. Does anyone here personally know this guy? I am suprised a republican state senator from the southern tier would ever entertain any version of this bill. I politely submitted my disdain but I can not believe he is sniffing down this path.
 
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This proposed law is in direct violation of the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th amendments of the Bill of Rights. Perhaps if NYS politicians, as a requirement to hold office, were required to comply with this proposed law or teachers, judges or anyone seeking a professional license in NYS. After all if the law could save one child from a pediphile teacher or a corrupt judge or a dangerous law enforcement officer it would be worth it. Right?


This proposed law is a dangerous intrusion in to a private citizens life. It is not needed. If passed and signed it will be always be remembered as Governor Cuomos law. Please remind him of that as he tries to convince the people in the fly over states to vote for him.
 
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Steal2B said:
Usually, polls are drafted with a slant already incorporated in the wording. This poll reads like it was drafted by an anti Constitutional member of Moms Demand action. Does anyone here personally know this guy? I am suprised a republican state senator from the southern tier would ever entertain any version of this bill. I politely submitted my disdain but I can not believe he is sniffing down this path.
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I do know him. This isn't his bill. He previously worked in the Broome County Sheriff's dept as an undercover drug guy. He worked his way up to run the road patrol division. He is a big supporter of the 2nd amendment, and our area in general. I've seen a few other polls he's done. One was fairly long shortly after he was elected. For the most part the poll results I've seen have leaned pretty conservative. My thought is that he generally knows what the outcome is going to be and polls to prove it.
 
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This invasion of privacy appears to completely deprive heretofore law-abiding citizens of due process. If the government intends to root through your private papers (ex/ email, search history, social media), they need probable cause and a warrant. If that government believes that a pistol permit applicant is guilty of a crime, then they need to present that evidence to a judge before compelling the presumed-innocent applicant to surrender their 4th and 5th amendment rights.

If this passes, all pistol permit renewals should be preceded by a suit against the state on the grounds of abridgment of due process, compulsory surrender of 4th and 5th amendment constitutional rights in order to exercise 2nd amendment rights, and persecution of a minority who seek to obtain governmental permitting when no other permitted group is forced to comply with such regulations.

If every lawyer, doctor, mechanic, plumber, electrician, hairdresser, etc. were forced to comply with these regulations, then we'd see a real outcry.
 
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jimc said:
I do know him. This isn't his bill. He previously worked in the Broome County Sheriff's dept as an undercover drug guy. He worked his way up to run the road patrol division. He is a big supporter of the 2nd amendment, and our area in general. I've seen a few other polls he's done. One was fairly long shortly after he was elected. For the most part the poll results I've seen have leaned pretty conservative. My thought is that he generally knows what the outcome is going to be and polls to prove it.
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Thank you. The poll smelled wrong ... like it had RINO all over it and is inconsistent with what family and friends in his district previously told me about him. I was wondering if he needed a conservative re-calibration.
 
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Grimscale said:
Even though he is not of my district, and even though I feel this paints a target on my back, at some point Law Abiding Citizens MUST stand up against tyranny.

I left a few choice words myself.

Explain your answer:
What you are proposing is a direct violation of the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments as stated in the Bill of rights.
You are, in effect, suppressing the free speech of American Citizens by holding their Rights hostage unless they submit to onerous and, frankly, unConstitutional searches.
If you really feel this strongly about such a drastic and draconian invasion of the privacy of American Citizens, then I recommend you start with yourself and others within the State government, and those seeking to fill those positions. As a requirement for your position you should have to submit to each and every Law that the 'common man' must endure.

What changes would you recommend:
I would recommend you scrap this attempt at fascism, re-read the Constitution and Bill of Rights, study our Founding Fathers, and remember that YOU ARE HERE FOR THE PEOPLE.
This behavior is something I would expect from governments in Cuba, Syria, Russia, China, or Venezuela, to name a few. Not what I would have expected in the so called "Land Of The Free".
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And the 14th amendment.
 
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What if someone was doing research on hate crimes and had to search for derogatory terms? Investigating officers would go by protocol and write a report to the judge that states: "Ethnic derogatory search terms found over past 3 years." The judge would then deny the permit based on "findings of the investigating officers."
 
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Madmallard said:
Yesterday WBNG-TV in Binghamton reported the results of their informal Twitter poll on this and the results were 54% of the respondents were in favor of this law.
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How was the question worded? That's the stupid game they play and why polls don't mean shit.
 
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camper4lyfe said:
How was the question worded? That's the stupid game they play and why polls don't mean shit.
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Bingo!

Question: Should we do more in-depth background checks for people applying for firearms permits?

versus....

Question: Should we force law-abiding citizens, who have passed standard background checks, to surrender their private electronic account usernames and passwords so that the government can search their online histories without a warrant in order for them to renew a firearms permit that they've had for over a decade?
 
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