"Ghost guns" A-9903A amended ( merged with senate ghost gun thread)

[Bob]

Admittedly, I didn't read the entire thing.

Does this exempt police department armorers? Most aren't licensed gunsmiths.
Does this mean that Glock can no longer hold Armorer schools in New York?

Seems to me there should be more opposition to this.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

Seems to me there should be more opposition to this.

There is none.

Do you see anyone other me even saying this is going on right now?

 

[Grimscale]

The Supreme Court has been patiently waiting for a worthy second amendment case.

I don't think this is the same Supreme Court that the real world has to deal with.

The Supreme Court has made no hint, whether through words or actions, that they give a rat's ass about the Second Amendment. On the contrary...they have indicated via rulings that they are perfectly ok with infringements on it.

Only if Trump wins and replaces RBG.

only if this...just wait for that...

By the time we're done waiting for just the right moment, we'll all be dead.

No more waiting. If the Republicans won't do their job and start submitting Bills to counter these egregious infringements on our Rights WTF is the point of voting for them?
Why didn't the Republicans at the Federal level do SOMETHING when they had all three Houses during Trump's first two years? All they needed to do was make a declaration that the States must follow the Constitution and all this would be a bad memory. instead... crickets.
Even now, I hear nothing from them.

So on one hand I've got the Democrats claiming they'll give me so much free shit I'll never have to work again. They'll remake America into some wonderous utopia where people can laugh and play and never have any responsibilities.

And you've got the Republicans who claim they are for us keeping what we've earned with our hard work, but haven't actually done much to ensure that.


so now what?

 

[Mosinitis]

Hard to believe people still have faith in the Supreme Court. Our political system is just as corrupt as any other. When Bush family needed to stop the recounts in 2000 SCOTUS was quick to act, but what is promised to unwashed masses to get them to vote, gets shelved. Elites hold power in this country and get their way and the unwashed masses get excuses and convoluted explanations why the promises made to them are not kept.

 

[spat]

In all honesty does voting even matter anymore?

I don't know.

But once you decide that it doesn't, your next decision is whether to lay down and accept tyranny or start slitting throats. Those are your only options.

 

[spat]

I don't think this is the same Supreme Court that the real world has to deal with.

The Supreme Court has made no hint, whether through words or actions, that they give a rat's ass about the Second Amendment. On the contrary...they have indicated via rulings that they are perfectly ok with infringements on it.





only if this...just wait for that...

By the time we're done waiting for just the right moment, we'll all be dead.

No more waiting. If the Republicans won't do their job and start submitting Bills to counter these egregious infringements on our Rights WTF is the point of voting for them?
Why didn't the Republicans at the Federal level do SOMETHING when they had all three Houses during Trump's first two years? All they needed to do was make a declaration that the States must follow the Constitution and all this would be a bad memory. instead... crickets.
Even now, I hear nothing from them.

So on one hand I've got the Democrats claiming they'll give me so much free shit I'll never have to work again. They'll remake America into some wonderous utopia where people can laugh and play and never have any responsibilities.

And you've got the Republicans who claim they are for us keeping what we've earned with our hard work, but haven't actually done much to ensure that.


so now what?

You need to stop thinking it's Republicans vs Democrats.

It's statists vs "everyone else".

"everyone else" hasn't had a majority in either house of congress for a very long time.

We barely have any representation at all, even though we are the vast majority of the country.

 

[spat]

Did you read it? You need to be a licensed gunsmith to assemble any part on a firearm now.
Cooolone details the section perfectly above. Changing grips, sights, or adding a scope is a class D felony.

Worse than that.

If you disassemble your firearm to clean it, you need to get a gunsmith to put it back together for you.

 

[Saltwater60]

Worse than that.

If you disassemble your firearm to clean it, you need to get a gunsmith to put it back together for you.

I read that and thought that too for a second but taking it apart is part of cleaning and maintaining it so I think?? That’s is allowed?? Maybe??

Good luck you won’t be able to buy any parts on line anymore. No sights, scopes mounts, sights, fuck is adding a sticker ok now??

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

I don't know.

But once you decide that it doesn't, your next decision is whether to lay down and accept tyranny or start slitting throats. Those are your only options.

Doesn’t the constitution say if the law is unconstitutional don’t follow it but yet we have tyrants wiping their ass with the constitution.

 

[STS556]

Did you read it? You need to be a licensed gunsmith to assemble any part on a firearm now.
Cooolone details the section perfectly above. Changing grips, sights, or adding a scope is a class D felony.

I read it more in depth. Screw them. I will still continue to build and repair my own rifles.

So this means that parts will cost twice as much to acquire. We will have to order parts through our local gun shops who usually have super inflated prices and pay them to install the part. For example, I use Midwest Industries hand guards on all my AR's. A $200 hand guard I can get online and install myself will cost probably $275 for the part plus $100 for installation at a local shop. This law is almost like a complete ban on guns. Nobody will pay that much more for parts and installation fees. A $1000 build will now cost $2000.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Doesn’t the constitution say if the law is unconstitutional don’t follow it but yet we have tyrants wiping their ass with the constitution.

Where?

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

Where?

Please correct me if I’m wrong “When the proper court determines that a legislative act (a law) conflicts with the constitution, it finds that law unconstitutional and declares it void in whole or in part.”

 

[Saltwater60]

Please correct me if I’m wrong “When the proper court determines that a legislative act (a law) conflicts with the constitution, it finds that law unconstitutional and declares it void in whole or in part.”

First the law hasn’t been passed yet so that’s the first part to getting a law tossed out and declared unconstitutional.

 

[Phazer]

Well...if a state can infringe on the 2A, who's going to stop them from violating the 1968 Gun Control Act?

 

[gunpoliticsny]

S-7762, Enacts the "Scott J. Beigel Unfinished Receiver Act", laid aside in Senate.

S-7763A, Enacts the "Jose Webster Untraceable Firearms Act", passed Senate 43-17. No discussion or explanation of votes.

 

[GOPerfect]

Thank the gods....

It is about time they got rid of these fucking things...

 

[SmallGameAddict]

So, among other things, if you buy a rifle that does not include rifle sights or a scope, and consequently mount a scope to be able to use it, you're toast.

Edit: that's laughable. No way this passes muster in court.

 

[Saltwater60]

Here we go. I had no doubt it would. Guess I should buy some parts.

 

[BDinPutnam]

So, among other things, if you buy a rifle that does not include rifle sights or a scope, and consequently mount a scope to be able to use it, you're toast.

Edit: that's laughable. No way this passes muster in court.

What court?

Would need some kind of pro-2a organization to help fund and run the case.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

What court?

Would need some kind of pro-2a organization to help fund and run the case.

This will make it's way into the courts, one way or another

 

[@thewheels]

This will make it's way into the courts, one way or another

Just like Sullivan and Safe have.

May their assholes explode eternally.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Totally unenforceable. They're trying to legislate something that is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to legislate. Thus, the lazy way out.

What I predict- IF you are caught with an unserialized firearm (unlikely) you might be in trouble. IF

AND NY retailers will stop stocking, and online retailers will stop shipping, any aftermarket 'parts' to NY. Admittedly, a total pita

Does anyone seriously think that the DEC is going to stop everyone hunting with a rifle, shotgun or handgun and ask if it's the original barrel? Original trigger? Stock? Did the scope come with the gun when purchased? Bases? Rings?

I highly doubt the Oswego County Sheriffs office is going to waste their time on this, unless you're robbing a bank using a gun.

This opens up a huge can of worms. Can't swap your bird barrel for your deer barrel on your shotgun? Don't make me laugh.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

This will make it's way into the courts, one way or another

Nobody is opposing this. Again, do you see anyone other than me even saying this is going on?

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Nobody is opposing this. Again, do you see anyone other than me even saying this is going on?

I appreciate your posting this, actually. I do read them.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

So it’s official? No more assembling parts?

 

[ricklovin93]

S-7762, Enacts the "Scott J. Beigel Unfinished Receiver Act", laid aside in Senate.

S-7763A, Enacts the "Jose Webster Untraceable Firearms Act", passed Senate 43-17. No discussion or explanation of votes.

Time to finish this AR build.

 

[fresch]

The first thing to be thrown out is the gun charges, so the gun laws are all bs.
Thanks for keeping an eye on this stuff for us.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

So it’s official? No more assembling parts?

The Assembly has to pass it then Cuomo has to sign it.

Assuming the Assembly takes it up next week (I have not seen the calendar yet), it could still take weeks/months before it is sent to Cuomo. Bills are not automatically sent to the Governor after passing both houses.

 

[togmaster]

Just like Sullivan and Safe have.

May their assholes explode eternally.

Internally. I hope internally.

 

[togmaster]

So it’s official? No more assembling parts?

No