"Ghost guns" A-9903A amended ( merged with senate ghost gun thread)
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Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
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There's places in NY I don't get IDd for ammo.
In PA I don't get IDd for ammo at Wal-Mart.
subsonic
.44 mag
I'm not a lawyer, but I know that under federal law anyone can serialize their own firearms themselves. I'm not sure what federal law would apply for serializing some else's unserialized firearm. But, an 80% lower is not a firearm under federal law, so presumably anyone could serialize it before it's worked. Just like you can get an Polymer80 pistol lower stippled before you've done any trigger or tab work on it without treating it like a firearm.
Under the new law, within New York the serialization would have to be done by a licensed gunsmith and REGISTERED. They also changed the definition of gunsmith to include someone who assembles a gun for their own personal use.
The press release talked about this but this bill doesn't address parts. It talks about unfinished frames (targeting 80% lowers) and it talks about assembling or manufacturing etc. firearms, shotguns and rifles.
Maybe there is or will be a companion bill that covers that shit. Or it may be amended. Haven't seen it. At this rate owning a roll punch will be evidence of criminal intent and conduct.
That being said, buying that slug barrel and swapping it on your shotgun? Did you assemble a new gun? Are you now a Class C felon to be punished worse than a second degree rapist (nonconsenting victim or 14 years old and younger)?
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
In time they will put serial numbers on us gun owners.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
I think this might be the point where I just don't care any more.
If that is the case, I'll be free to do whatever I want since I'll be treated like a criminal either way. Its kind of liberating.
If that is the case, I'll be free to do whatever I want since I'll be treated like a criminal either way. Its kind of liberating.
subsonic
.44 mag
They literally introduced a bill to put GPS trackers on them. That one won't pass, yet. But this one has violent maniac Kevin Parker's name and signature all over it and is likely to become law in some form.In time they will put serial numbers on us gun owners.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I depends on where in PA you go. Pike county PA has no issues with you buying anything.
spat
.950 JDJ
So, the whole home depot plumbing aisle is illegal now ?
It's chock full of 80% unserialized receivers and other "major components" like barrels.
It's chock full of 80% unserialized receivers and other "major components" like barrels.
spat
.950 JDJ
The other question is registered where ?
Long guns aren't registered in most of NY. There is no registry to add these to.
Also, if I take my home depot pipe cap across the PA border, stamp a number on it, can I then bring it back and finish it ? Or do I need to mount the firing pin in it there too ?
subsonic
.44 mag
Read the bill (painful I know). It adds this new registry to the pistol permit database:
You need to finish it in PA or you're committing felony unlicensed gunsmithing under this new law. But it would appear you could stamp the number out of state and bring it back here without registering it. That's what I was trying to say earlier.
spat
.950 JDJ
But did I commit a felony when I bought the pipe cap at home depot here ?
Is it a felony for anyone who buys one, or just people planning to take them to PA and turn them into guns ?
Will plumbers now require a type 07 FFL ?
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Hopefully there is someone in that box of assholes we call a legislature, smart enough to point that out. Hopefully they also have enough pull to knock this bill and others like it out of existance.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
The most positive part of this mess is that the retards who wrote it don't understand it. They'd be dangerous if they knew what they were doing.
it's common sense!
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Ummm....where in that proposed legislation does it tell owners of heretofore legal personally-assembled personal rifles how to "get right" with the law and have their property serialized?
I only see about penalties. I didn't read anything about how to comply with such a law.
EDIT: NEVER MIND
(11) SUCH PERSON IS NOT A GUNSMITH DULY LICENSED PURSUANT TO SECTION
400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER AND POSSESSES AN UNFINISHED FIREARM FRAME OR
RECEIVER OR A GHOST GUN, PROVIDED THAT FOR A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS AFTER
THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SUBDIVISION, A PERSON SHALL NOT BE GUILTY OF
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE THIRD DEGREE WHEN SUCH PERSON
POSSESSES AN UNFINISHED FIREARM FRAME OR RECEIVER OR A GHOST GUN DURING
THE PROCESS OF PROVIDING SUCH UNFINISHED FIREARM FRAME OR RECEIVER OR
GHOST GUN TO A GUNSMITH DULY LICENSED PURSUANT TO SECTION 400.00 OF THIS
CHAPTER FOR THE PURPOSES OF HAVING SUCH UNFINISHED FIREARM FRAME OR
RECEIVER OR GHOST GUN SERIALIZED AND REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SECTION
265.07 OF THIS CHAPTER.
I only see about penalties. I didn't read anything about how to comply with such a law.
EDIT: NEVER MIND
(11) SUCH PERSON IS NOT A GUNSMITH DULY LICENSED PURSUANT TO SECTION
400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER AND POSSESSES AN UNFINISHED FIREARM FRAME OR
RECEIVER OR A GHOST GUN, PROVIDED THAT FOR A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS AFTER
THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SUBDIVISION, A PERSON SHALL NOT BE GUILTY OF
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE THIRD DEGREE WHEN SUCH PERSON
POSSESSES AN UNFINISHED FIREARM FRAME OR RECEIVER OR A GHOST GUN DURING
THE PROCESS OF PROVIDING SUCH UNFINISHED FIREARM FRAME OR RECEIVER OR
GHOST GUN TO A GUNSMITH DULY LICENSED PURSUANT TO SECTION 400.00 OF THIS
CHAPTER FOR THE PURPOSES OF HAVING SUCH UNFINISHED FIREARM FRAME OR
RECEIVER OR GHOST GUN SERIALIZED AND REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SECTION
265.07 OF THIS CHAPTER.
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Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And they have fettered my right to speak freely on this matter with 'red flag' laws.
FUAC! FUNY!
Robin
FUAC! FUNY!
Robin
Now that’s strange. I wouldn’t have expected them to leave open the possibility of purchasing stripped frames in the future at all. This section certainly appears to do so.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
soon very soon flash lights / cross bows / compound bows / recurve bows / screwdrivers you name it 
land will require regeneration have to make it safe for all those illegal immigrants / terrorists organizations / rainbow unicorns / and the New far left demoturd coalition party utopia 
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Doesn't this legislation conflict with the Gun Control Act of 1968 which verified that firearms built for personal use were legal?
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
I have relatives, friends in 8 states. I can get anything I want. I give them the money, they go buy it, everybody is happy.
The only issue is just how fast you want or need something. You just need to plan ahead, thats all
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
This legislation refers to "receivers." But, it does not make a distinction between upper and lower receivers.
So, will all upper receivers now need to be serialized lest they be considered to be "ghost guns" on their own?
So, will all upper receivers now need to be serialized lest they be considered to be "ghost guns" on their own?
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It would appear that you'll be allowed to possess a serialized stripped lower. But, it will be a crime to assemble the lower into a firearm unless you're a licensed gunsmith. WTF? You can have the lower legally, but you cannot use the lower. Really?
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Do all unfinished lowers, and finished unserialized legal compliant rifles, presented for serialization wind up on the "assault weapon" registry?
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I have no idea how being allowed to have a stripped lower but not being allowed to build it is even remotely enforceable.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Fuck all this parsing of terms. Would armed rebellion be too strong a reaction?
Robin
Robin
96coal449
.308 Win
Short answer NO!!!
This is happening in VA as we all know. Well, it's not a rebellion but......
From what I understand, the sheriffs can deputize the patriots in their counties. They can then call to arms and arrest treasonous perps and bring them to court. Where a suitable punishment at the gallows should be performed in public view. I could practically guarantee the attendance of the oath keepers as well. This could be done in all blue/purple states. The time for the Demonrats to pay the piper is now.
BTW my serial numbers are all FUAC!!!
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
spat
.950 JDJ
Another question,
Can a gunsmith even legally add a serial number to an 80% receiver without a type 07 FFL ?
Can a gunsmith even legally add a serial number to an 80% receiver without a type 07 FFL ?
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
Who cares at this point, you won't get any real clarification. Just buy your shit. It's been clear as day for some time now we have a rigged system from the courts on down here in NY that they want us all disarmed..