masterswimmer
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Will they have tax stamps on weed like they do for alcohol and tobacco products?
They could conceivably make it a criminal offense to have possession of untaxed weed.
Gov. Cuomo: 'Let's legalize the adult use of recreational marijuana'
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Will they have tax stamps on weed like they do for alcohol and tobacco products?
They could conceivably make it a criminal offense to have possession of untaxed weed.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Well until the black market supply chain is not cost effective anymore or the white market gets too greedy or
the government fucks everything up with taxes and regulations that is the most likely scenario.
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
I think you just nailed it.
Having over 399 untaxed cigarettes at one time (1 cig short of 2 cartons) would be considered tax evasion
and is a class a misdemeanor IIRC.
It will be taxed so heavily people will probably go the cheaper route and take their chances.
Just like most of the customers buying their cigs on the reservation buy well over 399 untaxed cigs at one time and take their chances.
One thing people would do is put their untaxed weed into a empty bag that has a tax stamp on it.
Just like some people will put some untaxed cigs into a empty pack that has a tax stamp on it.
They keep the pack with the tax stamp in the drivers compartment. Just incase they are pulled over and don't want to raise suspicion that there are 10 cartons of untaxed cigs in their trunk.
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PA Guns & Ammo
.45 acp
This is good AND bad. Good, they are legalizing a plant that is safer than alcohol. Bad, it is New York that is legalizing it.
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
just print your own tax stamp ..
kaliber
.44 mag
This is Just another moneymaker, it will probably parallel how the government made out on cigarettes. Legalize it, condone it and then demonize it into windfall payouts civilly and with taxes. Just my opinion.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
You raise an interesting point.
As far as I know, burned/inhaled MJ has a bunch of carcinogens in it.
So I guess gummy bears only?
Oh, also- NYC has for years used tobacco tax to pay for methadone programs. At what point do the taxes and the "these drugs are allowed but these ones arent" start to converge?
Agree. Employers should have the right to hire or not for any reason. If an employer is dumb enough to even consider such a factor, they more likely than not are one you want to work for anyway.
I can tell you this, if I owned a business, I would not be hiring dopers and stoners. They would have no need to apply.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Hey Andy, let's legalize recreational guns.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Hopefully the stoned bastards will stay home next election.
E the massive
.308 Win
It's $100 +/- a pop for a lab to run urinalysis.
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
I know of so called "stoners" that are good earners, good husbands and good fathers.
I also know of so called "stoners" that will not go anywhere in life.
I don't think that the successful people that are pot smokers are successful because of pot.
I also don't think that the lazy ass stupid pot smokers are losers because of pot, they would be losers anyways.
Talk about painting people with a wide brush... Holy crap... Isn't that what the anti 2A liberals do?
To be blunt, that is exactly what some of you guys are doing... FACEPALM
So a guy can go to the bar or even stay home and have some drinks. And still be a good earner and a good family man.
But a guy who smokes a doobie can't be a good earner and good a family man? ... Surprise, Surprise, yes they can.
I know two of them. In fact, one of those two may or may not have signed my paycheck for the last 17 years.
And his 4 kids are model students. His oldest daughter is always at the top of her class.
Some people are squared away, some people are not.
In my experience, both kinds of people smoke weed, so what does that tell ya?
Pro Tip; Stop with the broad brush non sense, some of ya sound just like the Anti 2A liberals...
Think about it,,, ya really do,,, LOL
I also know of so called "stoners" that will not go anywhere in life.
I don't think that the successful people that are pot smokers are successful because of pot.
I also don't think that the lazy ass stupid pot smokers are losers because of pot, they would be losers anyways.
Talk about painting people with a wide brush... Holy crap... Isn't that what the anti 2A liberals do?
To be blunt, that is exactly what some of you guys are doing... FACEPALM
So a guy can go to the bar or even stay home and have some drinks. And still be a good earner and a good family man.
But a guy who smokes a doobie can't be a good earner and good a family man? ... Surprise, Surprise, yes they can.
I know two of them. In fact, one of those two may or may not have signed my paycheck for the last 17 years.
And his 4 kids are model students. His oldest daughter is always at the top of her class.
Some people are squared away, some people are not.
In my experience, both kinds of people smoke weed, so what does that tell ya?
Pro Tip; Stop with the broad brush non sense, some of ya sound just like the Anti 2A liberals...
Think about it,,, ya really do,,, LOL
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Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
Not all pot smokers are dirty hippies LOL.
I know some of the so called "stoned bastards" they always vote Republican / Conservative.
They hate Cuomo, they hate the Democrat party, They support the 2A and own guns. So no, that is not a good idea.
I don't want to be the pot crusader here. That is not my intention, I stopped smoking weed a long, long, time ago.
But some of these posts. LOL ... Fucking aye, talk about misinformed and misinformation. Just like the Anti 2A people.
Don't go hating on me either, it's fucking true. The proof is right here in this thread.
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@thewheels
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I know plenty of both types.
I also know plenty of non "stoners" that will not go anywhere in life.
Alcoholics can fit into both categories as well.
Okay
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
A couple of good points you made there... The rest of this post isn't necessarily a reply to your post.
I'm not ashamed to admit that I smoked through my teen years and into my 20's. During those years I had a really good attendance record at work. I was very rarely late for work and I never really missed a day of work. Unless it was one of those things that required a day off like anyone else. I have never stole anything from any employer. I didn't show up to work stoned. I also drank beer back then and I didn't show up to work drunk either. I have never brought anything illegal onto an employers property. And I also got a mortgage and bought my own property / house in my early 20's. I did all of this when I was still smoking weed.
Jeez, that's just like the young man that I work with at the shop. The young man is as smart as a whip, learns fast, shows up to work everyday and does a good job. And I see a good lucrative future for him in the automotive industry.
Just because this guy smokes a couple of bowls instead of having a few beers when he gets home from work doesn't change any of that... With his smarts and work ethic he is going to do good in life regardless.
If I were an employer I wouldn't care what my employee's do on their own time nor should I.
Because when they are not on my clock, I no longer own them. When they are on their own time they should be FREE to do what ever it is that they do... Off the clock, off the property, at that point it's non of my business as what they are doing. IMHO
The pigeonholing of people who smoke pot as nothing but lazy ass stupid losers is amazing and laughable.
That's like saying that because someone drinks alcohol that they are automatically lazy ass stupid losers.
That's like saying because "some" gun owners don't adhere to the gun safety rules.
That "all" gun owners don't adhere to the gun safety rules.
And before the argument that the difference is that weed is illegal comes up.
How many good NYers have some "now" illegal pre ban standard capacity mags stashed away somewhere.
Do ya really think that everyone either destroyed them or turned them in to the NYSP... LOL
Don't be a hypocrite... It's not a good trait.
Yeah, the super high chance is you'd never know.
They don't all have long hair and like reggae you know.
Might as well judge people that prefer vanilla to chocolate ice cream.
Karpteach
6.5 Creedmoor
The money there going to make from taxes and DUI tickets is astronomical. It will be used for the “betterment” of our state!
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
I know a guy that's a ASE certified level 1 tech that went to get a job at a automotive dealership.
The manager wanted to hire him. The guy was up front and said that he would not pass the piss test do to marijuana.
The manager said that he needs someone with his level of experience in the shop. The guy applying for the job was told by the shop manager to figure out a solution and come back in a week.
So the guy taped a little container of (someone else's) urine under his balls to get the temp right and walked around the house for a couple of days like that LOL to get used to it so that he didn't walk funny when the time came. He also had to add some alkaline if IIRC to the urine. He passed the piss test and got hired at that dealership 6 years ago. He is still working there making $36 an hour plus production bonuses and a awesome benefit package. To this day he still smokes weed, in fact he never stopped... So much for the loser pot head theory.
He has a beautiful house and all of the toys a man would want. 2 well behaved kids, and a good wife.
And a healthy bank account... Not bad for a so called pot head huh.
You are a hard liner with your beliefs and I can respect that. I am also.
But I do disagree with the point that if someone smokes pot that they are automatically loser scum.
That has not been my experience, not even close.
In many cases sure pot smokers are in fact losers, but that goes with anyone that can't control their behavior and exercise their personal responsibility pot smokers and non pot smokers alike. Kind of like drinkers some drink responsibly some don't.
I don't think that the people that I know that have achieved personal success did so because they smoke weed.
But I also don't think that someone is a automatically a loser that won't accomplish anything in life because they smoke weed.
They would both still be who they are even if you took weed out of the equation.
One would still be a winner and the other would still be a loser the weed doesn't have much to do with it. IMO
Sorry for the rambling post I get carried away sometimes.
I just wanted to point out that some drug tests can be gotten around.
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eris
.45 acp
Just a warning to anyone who may be thinking about using marijuana if this comes to pass: using it is still grounds under the law to deny you purchases of firearms, as many medical marijuana patients have found to their regret.
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Curmudgeon
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I think if there was transparency in America about who did and didn't smoke weed, drop DMT, est mushrooms, etc folks would be pretty surprised.
I have a brother who is totally straight, drinks a beer on occasion but has never done a single drug other than alcohol and caffeine. He talks out about the evils of drugs all the time. Has no basis in fact or any real perspective other than parroting back what he's been taught his whole life. I think that's kind of sad.
I know folks socially who smoke daily and enjoy other substances as well on occasion. They have great jobs, make great money, and are generally well respected. You'd never know by talking to them.
I dont get why folks say alcohol is OK and other substances aren't. Logic fails here more than other places and I'll probably never get it.
I have a brother who is totally straight, drinks a beer on occasion but has never done a single drug other than alcohol and caffeine. He talks out about the evils of drugs all the time. Has no basis in fact or any real perspective other than parroting back what he's been taught his whole life. I think that's kind of sad.
I know folks socially who smoke daily and enjoy other substances as well on occasion. They have great jobs, make great money, and are generally well respected. You'd never know by talking to them.
I dont get why folks say alcohol is OK and other substances aren't. Logic fails here more than other places and I'll probably never get it.
byron
.308 Win
this is a winwin thinking of cumo tons of tax money and taking guns of users too, for one win in his eyes
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
More on it.
https://nypost.com/2018/01/24/cuomo-wants-to-let-dreamers-go-to-college-for-free/
F that. i pay thousands in state taxes, plus will pay for my kids' tuition and an illegal will get a free ride?
Burzum
.223 Rem
To think that it took nearly two years to ratify the US Constitution because there was arguing over the need for a Bill of Rights, BOTH Federalists and Anti-Federalists still believed in liberty and freedom as far as the eye could see.
So how do we end up with the Refer Madness marijuana-phobia, I do not smoke it, never did, and never will, but I tip my hat towards freedom.
islandneartahiti
9mm
I believed this story until the good wife part