Gov. Cuomo wants paid sick time for workers in New York

[GOPerfect]

I only get 15 sick days a year. If this proposal passes, maybe I can get a few more.

 

[Darth]

I'm sort of in this camp as well. I don't blame capitalism for wanting to constantly increase profit margins and be profit centric. That's the fuel that propels the engine.

It's up to "the people" sit really set the guidelines around how much freedom that process has to develop naturally. Medicine is a perfectly example of where we, as a society, have to set some limits around what a "health care" provider really is, what duties is much fulfill, etc. You set the parameters, like the rules of a race or a baseball game, and then you let it unfold organically without specifying every single individual action or strategy. (We're just starting to hit some of these growing pains when it comes to social media, and how we want to classify such companies.)

I do not find a company in the wrong for looking out for their shareholders. A good company puts their bottom lines first, that's just good business.

What government regulation on Healthcare has been benifical to society that the free maket could not have done better?

 

[mca90guitar]

The company I work for ditched our sick days last year. They ended up giving us 40 hrs extra PTO instead if I remember correctly.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The only thing that doesn't support your hypothesis is the evidence. Non union jobs today tend to pay more.

I've heard the "with no unions, we'd have bad working conditions" myth many times. Not only is that not true, as you can voluntarily leave any job that doesn't suit you at any time, and when enough workers do that, a company can't survive, but even if it were true, you are entitled to exactly nothing you do not agree to when you accept the job.

Here is a question for you: By law, the minimum a job can pay you is the minimum wage. Why do some workers not get paid the minimum wage?

The answer to your question is competition. But that competition has regulations in place. You asked the question about unions. The answer is China, North Korea, Vietnam, and every 3rd world shit hole.

Almost every 1st world country has unions.

 

[Darth]

The answer to your question is competition. But that competition has regulations in place. You asked the question about unions. The answer is China, North Korea, Vietnam, and every 3rd world shit hole.

Almost every 1st world country has unions.

Why do people get paid more than the minimum wage?

A care not of what "almost every 1st world nation" does. They ban guns too, so their examples are irrelevant.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Why do people get paid more than the minimum wage?

A care not of what "almost every 1st world nation" does. They ban guns too, so their examples are irrelevant.

I answered that above. Competition. But no company is competing in sick days other than one offers sick days and another offers none. No company is on a competition war trying to give more sick days than another to keep their employees. They do that with pay to a certain point. When you find two companies trying to outdo one another on sick days to try to stay competitive, let me know.

 

[Darth]

I answered that above. Competition. But no company is competing in sick days other than one offers sick days and another offers none. No company is on a competition war trying to give more sick days than another to keep their employees. They do that with pay to a certain point. When you find two companies trying to outdo one another on sick days to try to stay competitive, let me know.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Benifits are often laid out at the interview, if not before. Some companies offer paid vacation and sick, some do not. People still accept those jobs that do not.

Where is the big disconnect?

 

[Marine Cpl]

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Benifits are often laid out at the interview, if not before. Some companies offer paid vacation and sick, some do not. People still accept those jobs that do not.

Where is the big disconnect?

The big disconnect is you refusing to see that companies don’t compete on paid sick or vacations. They do so with pay. Most of the time you don’t even know how many sick days you get or what type of medical they offer on interview time. It’s usually talk about pay and perhaps if a 401k is offered. You are selling yourself to get hired. Sick days is rarely discussed if you are smart and want the job. You find out whatever benefits you get later from Human Resources.

 

[Robin]

I want government off my back, well, till "I" want something, then just a foot on the neck is okay, um, er, someone else's neck.
Robin

 

[spat]

The big disconnect is you refusing to see that companies don’t compete on paid sick or vacations. They do so with pay. Most of the time you don’t even know how many sick days you get or what type of medical they offer on interview time. It’s usually talk about pay and perhaps if a 401k is offered. You are selling yourself to get hired. Sick days is rarely discussed if you are smart and want the job. You find out whatever benefits you get later from Human Resources.

If you are smart you find all that stuff out before you accept the job.

If you aren't smart enough to do that (or to say "this job is a good choice even if that stuff is zero), then I have no sympathy for you.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Everyone wants government off their back until it’s time to collect social security and Medicare.

 

[1075tech]

The company I work for ditched our sick days last year. They ended up giving us 40 hrs extra PTO instead if I remember correctly.

Same here. I get 192 hours of PTO. But it's use it or lose it. Sick, vacation, personal, doesn't matter. It's there for what I want to use it for. I barely used the time I had last year. Ended up taking most of it between Thanksgiving and New Year's day.

 

[Robin]

Everyone wants government off their back until it’s time to collect social security and Medicare.

I'll never get back what I put into it and neither will you. What a ponzi scheme.
Robin

 

[Grimscale]

Everyone wants government off their back until it’s time to collect social security and Medicare.

you mean those things that were removed from my check under duress?
you mean those things that I have already PAID for?

At this point I would be quite happy for the .gov to stop managing my retirement money.
But they DAMN well will return the money they've already stolen from me!

 

[spat]

But they DAMN well will return the money they've already stolen from me!

It'll never happen.

That money is long gone. You've got better odds getting your money out of Bernie Madoff.

 

[Darth]

The big disconnect is you refusing to see that companies don’t compete on paid sick or vacations. They do so with pay. Most of the time you don’t even know how many sick days you get or what type of medical they offer on interview time. It’s usually talk about pay and perhaps if a 401k is offered. You are selling yourself to get hired. Sick days is rarely discussed if you are smart and want the job. You find out whatever benefits you get later from Human Resources.

So it must not be that important then right?

 

[1075tech]

???


If an applicant isn’t seeking out this info to compare the total compensation package, that’s their own fault.

Depending on an applicant's needs, immediate pay might be a larger concern but EVERYTHING a prospective employer has to offer is important and should be considered.

How are those sick days computed, are they included in your hours worked for OT? Things like that are important. The company i used to work for included sick time in your hours worked. My pay week would run Thursday to Wednesday. If by Monday morning I already had 50 hours or so, I'd call in Tuesday or Wednesday. Why not? Those hours were added into my total for the week. Since they were time and half, I was taking 8 hours off and getting paid for 12.

The new company doesn't do that. They only pay OT after 40 hours ACTUALLY worked. The only exception being holidays. Vacation and sick don't count towards your 40.

Also have to consider vacation and how that's computed. Is it straight time for 40 hours? One placed I worked gave you 1/52 of your previous year's gross for a week's vacation. That way if you worked a lot of OT, you didn't "lose" as much by going on vacation. It only matters if you regularly work a lot of OT. I would regularly work a 55 hr week. I couldn't afford a 40 hr vacation week.

401K match is another area that has to be looked at. Company A matches 4%. Company B matches 2.5%. But company B may actually be a better deal. Why? While A matches more, they actually only pay the contribution once a year, making money on your money all year long. Company B pays the contribution weekly, growing your 401 faster (potentially).

 

[fresch]

It'll never happen.

That money is long gone. You've got better odds getting your money out of Bernie Madoff.

The money is safe! Remember clinton and gore put it in a "LOCK BOX"!

 

[Marine Cpl]

So it must not be that important then right?

Yep. Pretty much.

 

[libertysnake]

The big disconnect is you refusing to see that companies don’t compete on paid sick or vacations. They do so with pay.

Yeah, they do. I've worked at some places that just give you unlimited time off. Realistically you can't take off forever. It still requires approval, but if you're getting your shit done and just want to take a week or two off, you can go travel and just do that.

So, it's definitely a perk I've seen offered and specifically mentioned in the interview process.

 

[NYGuns]

Look at the top 10 companies to work for, all have PTO and / or sick days.

Treat your employees like shit, they work like shit. Treat them good and they will work better, be happier and retention and productivity will increase. I see it first hand every day.

Fortune 100 Best Companies to Work For | Fortune

This year's 100 Best Companies to Work For are rebuilding the social contract at work so people feel supported, trusted, and future-ready as they undergo that transition.

fortune.com

 

[libertysnake]

Look at the top 10 companies to work for, all have PTO and / or sick days.

Treat your employees like shit, they work like shit. Treat them good and they will work better, be happier and retention and productivity will increase. I see it first hand every day.

Fortune 100 Best Companies to Work For | Fortune

This year's 100 Best Companies to Work For are rebuilding the social contract at work so people feel supported, trusted, and future-ready as they undergo that transition.

fortune.com

It's also not the only factor. Those things can only go so far.

I left all those benefits behind and just handle it myself now. It's an expense I have to account for, but it's much better than being locked into corp culture / feeling trapped by some stock options you're waiting on vesting over four years.