AG sues gun shop after stolen firearms were trafficked to NYC, Philly, Barbados
NY's attorney general is suing the owner to ban him from operating a gun store in the state.
www.syracuse.com
Gun Shop Sued by NY AG
- Thread starter REF
- Start date
www.syracuse.com
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
still surprises me that there are still FFLs in NY and they cater to the govt
i wouldn't sell shit to them .. hell they murdered a Squirrel and Raccoon ..
i wouldn't sell shit to them .. hell they murdered a Squirrel and Raccoon ..
GTN
.308 Win
I read the article and it says he left the door unlocked the 1st time and 2nd time left a window open.
urjustamemory
.40 S&W
Bowman has a place in Florida, I really wouldn't be that shocked if he said fuck it and moved everything to Florida.
OwnTheRide
6.5 Creedmoor
We should sue rape victims for spreading venereal disease, too!
AI Overview
ATF gun shop camera requirements generally mandate video surveillance with specific considerations for recording quality, storage, and accessibility. Cameras should capture clear images of faces and features, and the recording system should be protected from tampering and theft. Digital recorders are recommended, with fresh tapes for VCRs. Additionally, signage indicating video surveillance can be a deterrent.
The Owner failed to secure the gunshop, 75% of the time, by his own admission.
I am afraid that this LIKELY was an inside job for real cash...................if anyone deserves to lose his license, it is he.
Cameras would have recorded customers faces...............the likely reason why they were off.
Sales have been slow.
If just loses his state license, he will be lucky................I suspect criminal charges will be filed for the intentional camera outages.....................conspiracy to aid and abet felonies, or something close.
ATF gun shop camera requirements generally mandate video surveillance with specific considerations for recording quality, storage, and accessibility. Cameras should capture clear images of faces and features, and the recording system should be protected from tampering and theft. Digital recorders are recommended, with fresh tapes for VCRs. Additionally, signage indicating video surveillance can be a deterrent.
The Owner failed to secure the gunshop, 75% of the time, by his own admission.
I am afraid that this LIKELY was an inside job for real cash...................if anyone deserves to lose his license, it is he.
Cameras would have recorded customers faces...............the likely reason why they were off.
Sales have been slow.
If just loses his state license, he will be lucky................I suspect criminal charges will be filed for the intentional camera outages.....................conspiracy to aid and abet felonies, or something close.
Are banks banned from business too because they got robbed and those funds helped fuel drug consumption?
Owners of automobiles who got their car stolen and further used criminally be banned from owning vehicles!?
More insanity from NY chasing people away in droves!
Gonna be a ghost town soon for sure (State)...
Owners of automobiles who got their car stolen and further used criminally be banned from owning vehicles!?
More insanity from NY chasing people away in droves!
Gonna be a ghost town soon for sure (State)...
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
First off, as a former FFL in this damn state, this article STINKS to F'in high heaven. The state is using tax payer dollars to sue a gun store. There is NO need to sue to close a store.
OK, I will try to be civil. first off, an investigation would have been done by the feds after each break in. I can almost gaurantee there is more to the story than this VERY BIASED so called news article presents. An outside door left unlocked, was it a storm door, was there a secondary steel door and so on????? Let me tell you the state does NOT have clear and concise guidelines as to meeting their standards from the very illegal laws passed in 2022. A window left open, hmmm, was it used in the break in, was in secured in any other way? I could go on. I do have first hand experiance in dealing with the state and feds.
A lawsuit, why???? A phone call from the AG's office to ATF would probably suffice. Let see, there is supposed to be a NYSP Inspector, (they don't have the manpower) why not cite violations, and close the shop. If the violations have been so awful. why wasn't it closed after the first break in? No, this is grandstanding and trying to grind a person into the dirt by a hypocrit (AG) in the enth degree.
OK, I will try to be civil. first off, an investigation would have been done by the feds after each break in. I can almost gaurantee there is more to the story than this VERY BIASED so called news article presents. An outside door left unlocked, was it a storm door, was there a secondary steel door and so on????? Let me tell you the state does NOT have clear and concise guidelines as to meeting their standards from the very illegal laws passed in 2022. A window left open, hmmm, was it used in the break in, was in secured in any other way? I could go on. I do have first hand experiance in dealing with the state and feds.
A lawsuit, why???? A phone call from the AG's office to ATF would probably suffice. Let see, there is supposed to be a NYSP Inspector, (they don't have the manpower) why not cite violations, and close the shop. If the violations have been so awful. why wasn't it closed after the first break in? No, this is grandstanding and trying to grind a person into the dirt by a hypocrit (AG) in the enth degree.
Last edited:
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
but but but the jail Epstein was in .,. faulty cameras , missing video , all A-OK though ..
Security and locks only keep the honest out and since all this was mandated by the state they should be on the hook for paying for it ..
where is the security cameras for the corner ffl on St, Paul and Ave D ???
their isn't one ...
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
All I can say this guy is a moron and needs a better lawyer. He needs to learn to shut his mouth.
Also I’m wondering if this means he still leaves the doors and windows open.
James said despite the burglaries, Bowman still has not taken adequate steps to improve security at the store to prevent additional theft and trafficking.
Also I’m wondering if this means he still leaves the doors and windows open.
James said despite the burglaries, Bowman still has not taken adequate steps to improve security at the store to prevent additional theft and trafficking.
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
Yeah, gotta believe EVERYTHING Letitia says don't ya? I really think the ATF has had a say in the matter. Mandatory visits and they too, have a say in security measures. I guess we can believe everything she has attested to, like her dad is her husband or was it her husband her dad?
I also think the "news" article took a lot of liberties and things out of context.
I also think the "news" article took a lot of liberties and things out of context.
BATFE does NOT have Camera requirements, NYS does, but not the Feds.
One is not required to have a NYS Dealers Licenses, but it is strongly recommended, additionally the applicant has to first secure a FFL prior to applying for a NYs Dealer/Gunsmith Licenses.
The State will have a hard time prosecuting as a crime, (lack of guidance given to the Troopers assigned to inspect Dealers) so they'll try suing the FFL. and his Insurance Company.
Does not require cameras
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) does not require cameras for Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to comply with their regulations. However, it is recommended to have hidden cameras and visible decoy cameras as part of a security strategy to ensure compliance and protect against illegal activities.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=1bb6...ZW5jZS1hbmQtYmVzdC1wcmFjdGljZXMtZ3VpZGU&ntb=1
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=1bb6...ZW5jZS1hbmQtYmVzdC1wcmFjdGljZXMtZ3VpZGU&ntb=1
You can leave a Window open when there are BARS OVER THE OUTSIDE! really, how fucking hard is it to break a glass window? Alarms can be defeated/bypassed, as Caliber Plus stated the "open door" was a screen/storm door, and if you have one, be honest and tell us how difficult it would be to defeat.
Bowman's is a nice, very well stocked Shop and Gouverneur is a sleepy Town of 6500 people: this whole fucking article was a hit piece to blow the ego of that fat-fucking-criminal-bitch trying to save her ass from Prison by lawsuits.
We know what kind of corrupt people we have in State Government, and yet you still want to take their side based on a slanted story...intelligent, real fucking intelligent.
BTW: It's a Federal Crime to export firearms without Government approval, but criminals don't care where or how they get guns.
This is nothing more than a hit piece . I’ve been to this shop a few times over the years after purchasing a couple of older S&W hand guns that he had at the Syracuse gun show. This article makes it sound like his shop was a screen door shack. It’s far from it. Makes one wonder why there isn’t more emphasis by the state to vilify the Actual fucking criminals !
Armed robberies, are far different from owners helping load the guns...........OR DELIVERING THEM TO A DIFFERENT SITE by himself.
Have you ever been to a gunshop?
Cameras abound for protection.
AI Overview
ATF gun shop camera requirements generally mandate video surveillance with specific considerations for recording quality, storage, and accessibility. Cameras should capture clear images of faces and features, and the recording system should be protected from tampering and theft. Digital recorders are recommended, with fresh tapes for VCRs. Additionally, signage indicating video surveillance can be a deterrent.
Have you ever been to a gunshop?
Cameras abound for protection.
AI Overview
ATF gun shop camera requirements generally mandate video surveillance with specific considerations for recording quality, storage, and accessibility. Cameras should capture clear images of faces and features, and the recording system should be protected from tampering and theft. Digital recorders are recommended, with fresh tapes for VCRs. Additionally, signage indicating video surveillance can be a deterrent.
repete
.338 Win Mag
From the article it sounds like the guy is a fuckin moron, but this line makes me wonder, " The office wants to stop Bowman from owning or operating a gun shop in New York and to return money the shop made improperly and pay fines for violating the law."
Making him seem moronic and inept is the how the article (facts of which came from the PWO division of the AG's Office) justifies their actions against the FFL.
Who are they going to "return Money..." to?
OK, so I committed an infraction by not having a working camera, I'll pay the Fine, but suing me in Court because MY SHOP was Burglarized and the Contents sold/used ILLEGALLY by Persons ostensibly ineligible to have a gun and likely used to commit more highly illegal crimes shows just how ass-backwards this State IS! So the Pharmacy gets broken into (high security, cameras, locks & bars, controlled access, etc.) bottles of Narcotics are stolen and sold on the Black Market, so now demands are made to close the place down...makes a lot of sense doesn't it? DEA is a much bigger pain in the ass than ATF, and NYS is even more controlling, yet the Pharmacist is the bad guy....no fucking wonder why absolute self serving dumb-asses keep getting elected to run the State into the ground.
Suggestions and Policies are NOT Laws.
Please God, let me serve on this Jury.
Is there some sort of difference between loading/delivering by himself and having helpers?
You DO know that Dealers often take or Book Guns out of the Shop for various legal and legitimate reasons...Right? (Gun Shows, Sporting Events, Banquets, etc.)
The FFL is the responsible person for every Gun in his Bound Book, and there is leeway to how it's handled...sounds to me like you've taken the "every gun dealer is a sleazy, Law Breaking Criminal like they depict in the Movies, well it just isn't so.
Both smart and not so smart people take steps and measures to insure the safety and security of their Gun Businesses as the losses can easily be insurmountable, and unlike Jewelry Stores that have insurance against thousands of Dollars in losses, Gun Shops don't have it so easy.
BTW: I have visited MANY Shops across the Country and have decades of involvement in the Industry, so yea, I've seen a thing or two.
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
AI is wrong on this one as already stated. ATF does NOT, repeat, NOT require cameras.
BOTH break in occurred prior to NYS enacting the crap pile regulations on gun stores. Yet, Letitia is suing, again that is our money she is using to do so. She does not need to sue to close a shop. If you think she is doing this out of the goodness of her heart......NNY tends Conservative do you think she hasn't noticed?
As to inurance, NYS has done back door deals to make it difficult, at best, to get coverage for a gun store. The choices are limited, either a very expensive big corp. or find a co-op that still has some American values. Either way, it is not cheap or easy. Coverage is explicit. I am going to say, based on my experience, the insurance company did an evaluation after the first break in. Any kind of claim seems to warrant a visit, whether it is medical or goods related. They do not like claims.
The guy might be a jerk, careless with security, I don't know but I do know this situation is wrong on a multitude of levels and it does not require a great deal of thought or research to figure it out.
Last edited:
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
I wonder if NYC will be repaid the monies Letitia got for illegally funded properties? Oh, or is she innocent until proven guilty? What laws and when? The article is written by an antigunner, lots of statements with few facts and things taken very much out of context.
I thought the left was against victim shaming????!?
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
I so miss the the days when you were actually arrested for breaking a law
and not sued instead over a law or is it a rule or was it a mandate
and not sued instead over a law or is it a rule or was it a mandate
Brawny71
.223 Rem
Try trying to meet to almost possible intent of the memo! The subjectivity of NYS “Guidance” is incredible! And calling to ask questions or for help! Stop it.I so miss the the days when you were actually arrested for breaking a law
and not sued instead over a law or is it a rule or was it a mandate
Brawny71
.223 Rem
Not those victims. The other ones.
NYS Legislation requires gun shops to have cameras that capture the entire transaction process; passed on May 24, 2023.
I have never been to a gunshop, small or large that does not have cameras and locks on the doors.
They are likely looking for evidence of exactly when the guns were loaded and shipped out..likely days before the report was made.
I have never been to a gunshop, small or large that does not have cameras and locks on the doors.
They are likely looking for evidence of exactly when the guns were loaded and shipped out..likely days before the report was made.
Yes, New York State passed these spiteful Laws as a State requirement, not a Federal one. There are 31questioning points given without guidance to selected Troopers to use when visiting Shops for inspections.
What factual basis are you suggesting that the Dealer loaded and sent out guns illegally?
Have you any evidence or even inside intel?
I won't say it's impossible, only that it's highly improbable.
urjustamemory
.40 S&W
I have been into Bowman's a few times, I can tell everyone here that he has always had cameras in his shop. Heck when the 1st break in accrued they used camera footage of the thieves on the news from his cameras, the thieves also broke into 3 or 4 other FFL's in Jefferson and St.lawrence counties
I am not sure about the 2nd break in but the window they went into, was in clear view of a camera in the ceiling.
I am not sure about the 2nd break in but the window they went into, was in clear view of a camera in the ceiling.