Heavy clashes ongoing between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

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BREAKING - Parliament of Azerbaijan **declares state of war** against Armenia.



12:05 PM · Sep 27, 2020·Twitter Web App


Ian Miles Cheong
@stillgray
For those just catching up, Azerbaijan is trying to invade Armenia and they're being backed by Turkey. It's not really working out for them.
11:51 AM · Sep 27, 2020

 

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[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

They are fighting over the red area, and not the Minor Azerbaijan down on the left?

 

[Mosinitis]

Dispute over this territory goes back to late 1980's. The feud between Armenians and Azerbaijanis goes on for centuries.

 

[Airborneguy]

As an Armenian myself with a best friend who married a girl from Armenia, this conversation has been raging for 2 days now.

Hopefully this doesn't lead to wider conflict.

Oh and Fuck Turkey.

 

[Plater1]

The Turkish economy is in bad shape. They don't have the money for a proxy war. Who is backing the Armenians? I know this is a selfish question, but will this effect the 2021 F1 race in Baku?

 

[Mosinitis]

Turkey hiring Syrian rebels to fight Armenians for Azerbaijan, Guardian claims, as Baku calls reports on mercenaries ‘nonsense’

In an echo of events in Libya, rebels from Syria’s Idlib province are being recruited by Turkey to fight for Azerbaijan in its conflict with Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh, The Guardian has reported, citing several militants.

www.rt.com

 

[tirwin1]

The armenians seem to have the propaganda part down with these slick videos. I like the screaming eagle sound effect at the end.

I am as far from a military expert as you can be. Yet why in the world would the Azerbaijanis send tanks in bunched groups out in the open field with no apparent air cover? They seem like sitting ducks. I like the one video where the column keeps advancing despite two tanks getting picked off. I'm guessing that morale is deteriorating quickly.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

There is a conflict between then that seems to be escalating.

It has potential to draw in russia and turkey.

Anyone else paying attention?

 

[Mosinitis]

Historically this was a common scenario. Both Armenia and Georgia relied on Russia for protection against their Muslim neighbors. Bulgaria as well. Considering how this was conveniently forgotten by these countries, Russia will probably stay out of this.

 

[Robin]

Turkey, a NATO member, is getting involved, that will make Russia get involved, because of our NATO obligation to Turkey, all of Europe and the USA will be involved.
Because Erdogan is a duplicitous bastard with dreams of a new Ottoman Empire, NATO should tell him he is on his own and let Russia bitch slap them but good.
Robin

 

[GOPerfect]

Heavy clashes ongoing between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

BREAKING - Parliament of Azerbaijan **declares state of war** against Armenia. 12:05 PM · Sep 27, 2020·Twitter Web App Ian Miles Cheong @stillgray For those just catching up, Azerbaijan is trying to invade Armenia and they're being backed by Turkey. It's not really working out for them...

nygunforum.com

 

[Robin]

If I were an Armenian I would fight like my life and the lives of my family depended on it, just like the Israeli's do. Judging by the what the Turks did to them in their last go round, they have to fight like there is no tomorrow.
Robin

 

[GOPerfect]

This is going to turn very interesting, very soon. Really bad could come of this.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Heavy clashes ongoing between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

BREAKING - Parliament of Azerbaijan **declares state of war** against Armenia. 12:05 PM · Sep 27, 2020·Twitter Web App Ian Miles Cheong @stillgray For those just catching up, Azerbaijan is trying to invade Armenia and they're being backed by Turkey. It's not really working out for them...

nygunforum.com

Ugh sorry mods I suck.

Feel free to merge this thread

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

If I were an Armenian I would fight like my life and the lives of my family depended on it, just like the Israeli's do. Judging by the what the Turks did to them in their last go round, they have to fight like there is no tomorrow.
Robin

Its pretty messed up. The armenian genocide was beyond barbaric. From the sounds of what I've read turkey is trying to get into this fight to help Azerbaijan.

I don't really know all the nuances of what's going on but I definitely don't like or trust turkey in this and unfortunately they are in NATO still.

 

[spat]

This is going to turn very interesting, very soon. Really bad could come of this.

There is a lot of that going around lately.

 

[Pale Rider]

NATO is obligated to come to the aid of Turkey if they are attacked. I don't think there is any such obligation if they choose to get involved in a war.

 

[Robin]

I don't know exactly how its worded, but attack one is to attack all is in the NATO charter. Now if Turkey initiates the fight, which they are doing, and they are attacked, which is logical because you cannot win on the defense, by Armenia or more importantly Russia, how that is characterized in the NATO charter is the question. Either way their importance in NATO is cancelled out by their skulduggery and outright betrayal of the charter. Personally I would like to see them kicked out of NATO, Constantinople, andeverything north and west of the Bosporus returned to Greece.
Robin

 

[ArmedCorgi]

NATO is obligated to come to the aid of Turkey if they are attacked. I don't think there is any such obligation if they choose to get involved in a war.

I don't know for sure but that seems like a reasonable clause to have been put into a mutual defense agreement. It's one thing if you are attacked without provocation, it's another if you started the hostilites.

Even if we are obligated under these circumstances, by "aid" we could argue that our only aid to Turkey would be dropping pamphlets that say "keep your chin up" or "can't rain everyday".

 

[Mosinitis]

Countries will rarely admit they initiated hostilities. Usually aggression is preceded by false flag operation or lies. We do this as well.

 

[GOPerfect]

I do not know enough about what is going on over there. Hell, I know much of what is happening here in the US and I am still confused.

All I can say, I hope the good guys win....

 

[tirwin1]

The way turkey has been acting in recent years I think they may find their calls to Nato go unanswered.

 

[pjzwtl]

I do not know enough about what is going on over there. Hell, I know much of what is happening here in the US and I am still confused.

All I can say, I hope the good guys win....

Hell until this thread I never heard of Azerbaijan

 

[GOPerfect]

All of these small Countries are part of the region of Caucasus, the people have been there for century's. When I did my DNA tests, almost 2% of me is from this region. There is some awesome history in this area. Some great men, skills and knowledge come from the area.

Thor Heyerdahl, a Scandinavian adventurer was convinced that some of these people traveled to Norway and Denmark and brought their great ship building skills with them.

It is possible, that without this migration of people from Caucasus, the Viking age may never have happened.

Great History indeed.

 

[GOPerfect]

This small Nation is about half the size of New York State

 

[Airborneguy]

Praying for Armenia.

 

[GOPerfect]

Praying for Armenia.

Since this thread began, I started researching and reading about the region. The more that I read, the more that I am on the side of Armenia.

 

[libertysnake]

Can't really blame the Armenians for not wanting to take crap anymore after everything done to them. Not that I really understand the full extent of the politics here.

 

[Airborneguy]

My father's side came here because of the genocide. Not going to type out the whole story, but it's horrible. My great-grandfather was born on the ship because his parents refused to leave when their siblings did. His dad never made it onto the ship. It was a really bad situation that thankfully some of them were able to escape.