Help! A NYS County is trying to suspend / revoke CCW permit over photo w/ religious headgear

[VietnamEraVet]

Attn: NYG Forum Members

Can anyone assist and / or recommend a good attorney to help? A person with a NY CCW issued in upstate is facing a hearing next month to suspend or revoke their pistol permit over their permit picture that was taken on the permit (with the explicit approval) of the Licensing Officer (Judge) in their county.

Comments / suggestions welcomed. If anyone can help, please send a PM.

 

[Jmac00]

?????????? WHAT ???? religious headgear??? so someone was issued a CCW permit, he/she has a EDC gun, but now they want to pull his/her permit because of a hat, Habib, towel, some dumbass baseball hat??

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Does it involve a collander?

Threaten to sue them? Or better yet actually file the paperwork. Reference some famous cases of the flying spaghetti monster being permitted as religious headgear on official photos.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

?????????? WHAT ???? religious headgear??? so someone was issued a CCW permit, he/she has a EDC gun, but now they want to pull his/her permit because of a hat, Habib, towel, some dumbass baseball hat??

Hey! I just checked my photo, I have a baseball hat on lol. Never told me I couldn't wear it or to take it off

 

[VietnamEraVet]

?????????? WHAT ???? religious headgear??? so someone was issued a CCW permit, he/she has a EDC gun, but now they want to pull his/her permit because of a hat, Habib, towel, some dumbass baseball hat??

Yes.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Does it involve a collander?

Threaten to sue them? Or better yet actually file the paperwork. Reference some famous cases of the flying spaghetti monster being permitted as religious headgear on official photos.

Yes. A collander.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Does it involve a collander?

Threaten to sue them? Or better yet actually file the paperwork. Reference some famous cases of the flying spaghetti monster being permitted as religious headgear on official photos.

They need legal help with that.

 

[livingston]

Hey! I just checked my photo, I have a baseball hat on lol. Never told me I couldn't wear it or to take it off

I had a base ball cap on when I had a new photo taken because livingston county went from paper to plastic and I was adding a hand gun. .. Asked if I needed to take it off clerk taking photo said no.. .. This was in April 2023

 

[Zerex]

I don't want any goddamn fool wearing a spaghetti draining collander in any ID photo..............and owning a gun.

Proof of mental disability.

He insults law.
Did he wear one for his enhanced driver license photo? I sincerely doubt it.

 

[Russ Woody]

Who in hell wears a collander on their head? That's fucking stupid

 

[GOPerfect]

Who in hell wears a collander on their head? That's fucking stupid

Sources report that the colander in the form of pasta strainer, was recognised by Austrian authorities as a religious headgear of Pastafarianism in 2011.

What are the rules of Pastafarianism?



Pastafarianism differs from other religions in that it doesn't solicit funds from its followers, having no hierarchy and no physical places of worship to maintain. Its home is in cyberspace. And the only dogma is that there is no dogma. (Instead of 10 commandments, it offers eight “I'd really rather you didn'ts”.)

 

[GOPerfect]

Is this headgear okay?



This one?



How about this style?

 

[Zerex]

I hope he is required to undergo a mental exam by the courts, and at the least, his photo was contempt of court, and he should lose his permit .

 

[HEX]

Yes. A collander.

@VietnamEraVet , much as I may be a fan of Pastafarianism.. this better be real.

With as few perm bans as there are on this forum, several of them (hard to say how many because those people started numerous aliases) are from people who made up and posted hoaxes about having their guns taken away or very similar things. We have enough actual problems with the state of NY and it's gun laws without making shit up. It does a massive disservice to gun owners to be 'crying wolf' with fake stories because they think it's funny or it's just a scenario they want to present because it 'could happen' (that's usually the excuse).

 

[VietnamEraVet]

@VietnamEraVet , much as I may be a fan of Pastafarianism.. this better be real.

With as few perm bans as there are on this forum, several of them (hard to say how many because those people started numerous aliases) are from people who made up and posted hoaxes about having their guns taken away or very similar things. We have enough actual problems with the state of NY and it's gun laws without making shit up. It does a massive disservice to gun owners to be 'crying wolf' with fake stories because they think it's funny or it's just a scenario they want to present because it 'could happen' (that's usually the excuse).

This is absolutely NOT a joke. The action by the County Attorneys to suspend / revoke the permit is real, and the appearance in NY Supreme Court before the pistol permit judge is in the very near future. Feel free to PM me for more details.

 

[GOPerfect]

I hope he is required to undergo a mental exam by the courts, and at the least, his photo was contempt of court, and he should lose his permit .

Because of his chosen religious faith? Don't have the correct faith/religion, ownership of guns forbidden?

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I don't want any goddamn fool wearing a spaghetti draining collander in any ID photo..............and owning a gun.

Proof of mental disability.

He insults law.
Did he wear one for his enhanced driver license photo? I sincerely doubt it.

Well....., looks like someone is a bit grumpy! Care to make a wager about the enhanced driver license photo?

So, let's see. Are you also against religious headgear worn by Jews, Muslims, Hindu's, and others? Does anyone who wears some form of religious headgear as part of their faith have a mental disability? Or just this particular religion?

Even the NYC PD now allows officers to wear their religious headgear on duty as I recall. I will look for the article momentarily.

Found it, from NBC News. Here it is: NYPD to allow officers to wear turbans, grow beards for religious reasons

 

[stokes]

Second Amendment - New York Gun Rights Attorneys This lawyer gets a lot of nods around here.

 

[Cavalry]

I hope he is required to undergo a mental exam by the courts, and at the least, his photo was contempt of court, and he should lose his permit .

Just because you find it ridiculous does not mean its not the official headgear of a religion. It does not matter if its a tongue in cheek religion. Its no different than other religion's weird ass beliefs and is due the same protections.

 

[Cavalry]

This is absolutely NOT a joke. The action by the County Attorneys to suspend / revoke the permit is real, and the appearance in NY Supreme Court before the pistol permit judge is in the very near future. Feel free to PM me for more details.

Will the person be attending the court hearing wearing their religious headgear? I certainly would. The massive, easy to win lawsuit would be well worth getting a permit revoked.

 

[CaliberPlus]

I think the few people I have met that "bought into" the spaghetti man were very sane. Just a bit caustic in their sarcasm. I bet if this guy wore a set of horns he would not be in trouble, just a guess though. Maybe he should change "religions" and do just that with the offer to change pictures. Identify as a one of satan's minions, or a dog or a llama.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Will the person be attending the court hearing wearing their religious headgear? I certainly would. The massive, easy to win lawsuit would be well worth getting a permit revoked.

I strongly suspect they will be wearing it that day.

 

[subsonic]

With as few perm bans as there are on this forum, several of them (hard to say how many because those people started numerous aliases) are from people who made up and posted hoaxes about having their guns taken away or very similar things. We have enough actual problems with the state of NY and it's gun laws without making shit up. It does a massive disservice to gun owners to be 'crying wolf' with fake stories because they think it's funny or it's just a scenario they want to present because it 'could happen' (that's usually the excuse).

Absolutely right. Pastafarianism is a joke, and nobody goes through daily life wearing a colander on their head at all times. Nobody. Wearing it to troll the pistol bureau and the courts (or, making up a story about someone doing so) isn't funny. Just exercising your ordinary 1st and 2nd amendment rights is enough of a bitch in this state already without distractions from atheist pranksters mocking religion.

 

[Bigfoot]

Some bootlickers just don't support freedom. [sigh]

I will side with freedom every time.

@VietnamEraVet I hope everything works out in favor for the person you speak of.
A permit should not be required anyways IMO. But I suppose that's beside the point.

 

[togmaster]

Absolutely right. Pastafarianism is a joke, and nobody goes through daily life wearing a colander on their head at all times. Nobody. Wearing it to troll the pistol bureau and the courts (or, making up a story about someone doing so) isn't funny. Just exercising your ordinary 1st and 2nd amendment rights is enough of a bitch in this state already without distractions from atheist pranksters mocking religion.

Sandy vagina?

 

[prambo]

Sources report that the colander in the form of pasta strainer, was recognised by Austrian authorities as a religious headgear of Pastafarianism in 2011.

What are the rules of Pastafarianism?



Pastafarianism differs from other religions in that it doesn't solicit funds from its followers, having no hierarchy and no physical places of worship to maintain. Its home is in cyberspace. And the only dogma is that there is no dogma. (Instead of 10 commandments, it offers eight “I'd really rather you didn'ts”.)

Rastafarianism gets its name from the given name of Emperor Haile Selassie I - "On 11 February 1917 he was crowned Le'ul-Ras[34] and became known as Ras Tafari Makonnen listen (help·info). Ras is translated as "head"[35][32] and is a rank of nobility equivalent to Duke;[32][36]." (Haile Selassie - Wikipedia)

Rastafarianism, basically, has 4 major tenets, beliefs and/or influences:

1) belief that Emperor Haile Selassie I as a "living G-d". Even though he is now dead, most rastas do not accept that. You will hear some rastas use the expression "I and I" in speech or ska/reggae when referring to themselves - they mean Emperor Haile Selassie I and themselves.

2) belief in the "Back To Africa" movement of Marcus Garvey

3) evangelical Christianity

and not necessarily a "tenet", but widely held -

4) the smoking of weed (ganja) is a sacrament, but you can be Rasta and not partake.

You don't have to smoke ganja to be rasta - the South African reggae singer Lucky Dube (now dead) never touched it - his music is outstanding. He was killed by car-jackers in 2007.

And, yes, I find rastafarianism to be just as much a religion as any other - had an interest in it for decades.

In fact, if I was to embrace any "religion" it would be rastafarianism.

 

[prambo]

Sources report that the colander in the form of pasta strainer, was recognised by Austrian authorities as a religious headgear of Pastafarianism in 2011.

What are the rules of Pastafarianism?



Pastafarianism differs from other religions in that it doesn't solicit funds from its followers, having no hierarchy and no physical places of worship to maintain. Its home is in cyberspace. And the only dogma is that there is no dogma. (Instead of 10 commandments, it offers eight “I'd really rather you didn'ts”.)

I see what you did there.

Actually, at first I thought you posted "rastafarianism".

Walked into that one eyes wide shut!!

 

[GOPerfect]

The pasta people are real. I have seen them in person. Of course, I do not see their faith and movement as real, but then again, many do not see my faith as real anymore either.

 

[prambo]

The pasta people are real. I have seen them in person. Of course, I do not see their faith and movement as real, but then again, many do not see my faith as real anymore either.

Your beliefs, like most religions, do have higher deities than themselves.

When people start to think there is nothing higher than man or government, things start to go bad very quickly.

 

[prambo]

Even the NYC PD now allows officers to wear their religious headgear on duty as I recall. I will look for the article momentarily.

Most likely Sikhs. Sikh men, if seriously religious, never cut their hair - the Sikh head-wrap is to contain the hair and keep it clean when working and out and about.

They're also supposed to be always armed with a ceremonial dagger called a kirpan.

Knew a lot of Sikhs in Kenya - most are fucking wild men - drive like everything is the Safari Rally. You mostly want them as friends, not as enemies.