Homeowner shoots a squatter in Oklahoma and is now facing manslaughter charges

[Saltwater60]

All bad for the good guy, but I do t think it should be. Moron said he didn’t feel threatened so not good for him. I do not think I would vote to convict him.

Homeowner Shoots Alleged Squatter, Now Faces Manslaughter Charge

A case out of Oklahoma is raising uncomfortable questions about property rights, self-defense, and where the law draws the line when homeowners confront squatters.

gunsamerica.com

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

squatters should have no rights. Enter my property at your own risk.

 

[Saltwater60]

squatters should have no rights. Enter my property at your own risk.

Agreed, you are breaking and entering. I get where they may make the distinction it may not be an accused dwelling but what makes it not occupied? If I run errands for 4 hours or go away for a weekend, how about a week or two? It’s this man’s property and what if he was going to rent it out next week? I don’t like that he’s charged in this at all.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Agreed, you are breaking and entering. I get where they may make the distinction it may not be an accused dwelling but what makes it not occupied? If I run errands for 4 hours or go away for a weekend, how about a week or two? It’s this man’s property and what if he was going to rent it out next week? I don’t like that he’s charged in this at all.

I'm guessing where he actually fucked up was in calling the police...

 

[GOPerfect]

He will be more than fine...

Oklahoma self-defense laws allow the use of lawful force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death, great bodily harm, or a forcible felony. The state includes robust "Stand Your Ground" and "Castle Doctrine" protections with no duty to retreat.

Castle Doctrine: You are legally presumed to have a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm if you use deadly force against an unlawful intruder in your home, business, or occupied vehicle.

Defense of Others: You may use the same level of force to protect another person who is facing an imminent threat or unlawful attack.

 

[Saltwater60]

He will be more than fine...

Oklahoma self-defense laws allow the use of lawful force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death, great bodily harm, or a forcible felony. The state includes robust "Stand Your Ground" and "Castle Doctrine" protections with no duty to retreat.

Castle Doctrine: You are legally presumed to have a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm if you use deadly force against an unlawful intruder in your home, business, or occupied vehicle.

Defense of Others: You may use the same level of force to protect another person who is facing an imminent threat or unlawful attack.

We will see. The article states he told the cops he did not fear for his life and this property is abandoned, so therefore it’s not an occupied dwelling. Be interesting for sure.
Hopefully his daughter said she feared for her life.

 

[fresch]

Taxes paid? Then it is vacant not abandoned. Sounds like a shut up I need a lawyer was needed, as it should be.

 

[spat]

squatters should have no rights. Enter my property at your own risk.

Should be considered a home invasion, no matter how long they've been there.

If you *never* had permission to live there, managing to stay hidden for a few weeks shouldn't suddenly change that.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Should be considered a home invasion, no matter how long they've been there.

If you *never* had permission to live there, managing to stay hidden for a few weeks shouldn't suddenly change that.

My house in NY has been vacant since we moved to TN. The mortgage, tax bills, utility bills, and deed all still say it's mine. Just because I haven't "lived" there in a few years doesn't give anyone else a right to occupy it. I could wake up tomorrow and decide to go there. I'm not calling the police if someone is inside when I get there.

 

[spat]

We will see. The article states he told the cops he did not fear for his life and this property is abandoned, so therefore it’s not an occupied dwelling. Be interesting for sure.
Hopefully his daughter said she feared for her life.

Sounds like his biggest mistake was running his mouth before talking to his lawyer.

It amazes me how many people can't get that simple thing through their head.

 

[SonOfSun]

Should be considered a home invasion, no matter how long they've been there.

If you *never* had permission to live there, managing to stay hidden for a few weeks shouldn't suddenly change that.

Agreed, but the guy didn't help his case any by saying he didn't feel threatened.

Never talk to cops without legal counsel present. Only thing to do is provide ID per state law, tell them you are invoking your right to remain silent, and that you demand an attorney. Then you shut the fuck up.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

He's very lucky he is in OK not a blue state.

OK is redder than texas, by far.

Despite his dumbass saying he wasn't threatened he will probably be ok.

IMO squatters who won't leave deserve whatever they get. Let's stop apologizing for criminals already.

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

IMO squatters who won't leave deserve whatever they get. Let's stop apologizing for criminals already.

 

[GOPerfect]

Sounds like a shut up I need a lawyer was needed, as it should be.

This right here.....^^^^^^^


DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE UNTIL AFTER YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO AN ATTORNEY!!!!!!!!

THE POLICE ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS, THEY ARE NOT THERE TO ASSIST THE AVERAGE PERSON.