livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
with no cell phone service no need for a chargerit's the kids that will revolt first. If they can't charge those cell phone, billions of parents will be demanding answers as to when the power will be back
How Long Would Society Last During a Total Grid Collapse?
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Society will last for as long as the belief that "things will return to normal"
You'll get an immediate slight bump in crimes of opportunity by assholes who exploit a situation. But the remaining normies will all behave until they come to their own conclusions that "things are not going back to normal" then the panic sets in and they start justifying taking actions out of character
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Probably depends on where you are. Inner city, hours, rural country, days, depending on the ripple effect of the urban collapse.
Robin
Robin
We did not have an emergency generator when my now grown children lived here. We use to lose electrical power quite regularly, and sometimes for a week or so. Now I have one that supplies almost the whole house. ($8000 total w/switch/inspection/electrician installed).
We have a fireplace insert, and I refuse to live anywhere without one. We survived by cooking on the insert, and 2x the outside temperature was Zero F and the whole house never went below 62 F.
Now none of my children, who all own their own homes, has a wood stove in their house. The daughter in the Netherlands just removed a fireplace and chimney in a house that survived two World Wars. "It took up too much room". One lives near Rochester and has beaucoup in-laws nearby. The other lives down south and can at least cook outside.
There is no saying you wouldn't be able to do it until you have to.
We have a fireplace insert, and I refuse to live anywhere without one. We survived by cooking on the insert, and 2x the outside temperature was Zero F and the whole house never went below 62 F.
Now none of my children, who all own their own homes, has a wood stove in their house. The daughter in the Netherlands just removed a fireplace and chimney in a house that survived two World Wars. "It took up too much room". One lives near Rochester and has beaucoup in-laws nearby. The other lives down south and can at least cook outside.
There is no saying you wouldn't be able to do it until you have to.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I have thought pretty hard about this honestly. Most people around me aren’t prepared and no one I know is as prepared as I am. My FIL has a lot of guns and ammo but no food. My parents have a lot of food but no protection.
I figure almost everyone around me will be dead in 30 days or less. I’ll bet around half won’t make it 2 weeks and the remaining won’t make it the other two weeks.
I have food for around 30-days but would like to bolster this a bit more. I have water tablets, water filters, and iodine for treating water so I am fine there. Guns, yep, ammo good but could use more always. I need a better secondary heat source honestly.
I figure almost everyone around me will be dead in 30 days or less. I’ll bet around half won’t make it 2 weeks and the remaining won’t make it the other two weeks.
I have food for around 30-days but would like to bolster this a bit more. I have water tablets, water filters, and iodine for treating water so I am fine there. Guns, yep, ammo good but could use more always. I need a better secondary heat source honestly.
My plan if I ever needed it, would be to try and make a micro climate and try to kinda seal off my family room where I have a wood burning fireplace to retain as much heat as possible in a small area. If the rest of the house ends up at 30 degrees but a smaller living/sleeping area is 50-60 that would not be the worst scenario.
I have always liked these conversations. My eyes are opened up more and more every time I read through comments, not just here on the forum but other places as well.
So many think that if they have food, guns and a place to lay ones head, all is good.
The reason I do not believe many would make it is due to not having the correct mindset.
The real ability to do what would need to be done. The unspeakable kinds of things to survive. Being able to turn off all empathy and sympathy in order to survive long term.
All the food, guns and ammo.... No good if you are forced out of your comfort zone....
Nah, not many will be able to those things that we do not speak of.
So many think that if they have food, guns and a place to lay ones head, all is good.
The reason I do not believe many would make it is due to not having the correct mindset.
The real ability to do what would need to be done. The unspeakable kinds of things to survive. Being able to turn off all empathy and sympathy in order to survive long term.
All the food, guns and ammo.... No good if you are forced out of your comfort zone....
Nah, not many will be able to those things that we do not speak of.
OwnTheRide
6.5 Creedmoor
Make sure you have a winter's worth of dried and seasoned firewood to go along with that plan. It will be too late to harvest it when SHTF... no gas for chainsaws, splitters, tractors, and vehicles to move the wood around; plus competition and exposure for standing dead wood. Someone could easily locate and sneak up on you trying to harvest wood, wait for you to cut it, then snipe your ass and take the wood.
Purely hypothetical...
On that topic....
2 weeks in
All comms are down, grid is down, no news, rumors of EMP or ww3 or something major has occurred. You're expecting true SHTF. Like worst case scenario, no help is coming. You're on your own.
You have meth heads up the road, who in good times you keep a close eye on them, Now with the likely event of no rule of law to keep them in check and them likely running out of drugs you know they are likely to become unpredictable. Do you "proactively" eliminate the risk of a problem?
These are thought provoking questions. At what point do you totally change your thinking and flip a switch. In a SHTF world you may have to make pro active decisions that you would not anticipate and would not be comfortable with. I know someone here has a bad druggie as an across the street neighbor. That's a huge risk in a true you're on your own SHTF no help is coming, things are not going back to normal anytime soon.
Sometimes being defensive isn't only purely defensive. I'm not saying go steal from Grandma, but if there a know character who very very likely is going to be a problem that's something to think about and you might logically get to an uncomfortable place in your decision making.
Purely hypothetical for storytelling and fictional discussions of course
I have the mindset to do anything and everything that I may need to do to survive. Nothing for me would be off the table. The Meth heads would not need to be concerned about surviving long term in a EMP situation if they lived near me.
Hell, I would not find it to be acceptable for them to be near me in good times.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
At that point anyone entering property is a threat. I know the mindset you speak of and you’re right many don’t have it. Leaving others to die of starvation or worse could be hard but you have to pick and choose who is in your circle. I have family who will not make it in my circle and that might be an issue but it’s 6 mouths to feed with not a single good addition to the camp so why would I? They also complain so much they would have a huge negative impact on moral.
Picking and choosing who gets resources and who doesn't will be difficult. I am trying mentally make the determination now that those who aren't working on it today have already made their choices and their fate is not my responsibility.
Every meal I give to a person like that who offers no value in return is one less meal for my family. And the end result for that charity meal will still be the same just prolonged another day while harming my family in the process
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Yes, and this would be 6 mouths to feed with zero benefit in return. Their one son can fish but that’s about the only benefit I’d see. Their only negative would be that my parents would probably go with them and bring their food stores. I’m fully aware of that and expecting that and that’s life. I have others that are more valuable to me.
The more replies that I read here, the more I think of complete failure.
I figure I'll be alive as long as God wants it that way...do the best with what you've been provided with.
Indeed
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Assuming virtually all communication is down, maybe short wave is still functional, People will have to make decisions based on their own wits, some maybe even life and death. That will be interesting in the land of newyorkification where so many rely on government, and by extension big media, to tell them how and what to think.
Robin
Robin
spat
.950 JDJ
Don't underestimate how much menial labor will be necessary.
It doesn't take long to train someone to split firewood for instance.
Now, if these are the sort of people who would refuse to do that, then they may change their mind when they get hungry enough.
spat
.950 JDJ
One of my main concerns is making my place not appear to be comfortable from a distance.
You don't want to be one of the few houses with lights still on at night a week after the collapse.
And an open or smoky fire is like a beacon saying "someone's home"
Think of it as a help wanted sign.
Plantation life in our own time.
No, don’t, erase post. Don’t advertise what you have and where
If you know me from my postings I hate hypothetical scenarios...
But hey, I think it's real simple! Society lasts as long as food lasts! Is simple! Then and even until certain support system collapse like medical, energy, etc. But ultimately, the fall of the Roman Empire was NOT from barbarians beating down the gates! It fell from within! So there's that...
Lol
But hey, I think it's real simple! Society lasts as long as food lasts! Is simple! Then and even until certain support system collapse like medical, energy, etc. But ultimately, the fall of the Roman Empire was NOT from barbarians beating down the gates! It fell from within! So there's that...
Lol
Outside the folks that literally live out in the boonies where they know that an ice storm, blizzard, or other critical natural disaster could leave them without or with limited utilities for weeks or months, subjectively I give things two weeks before certain elements of society start getting stupid and three before they become embolden, and by a month we're shooting motherfuckers.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
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The Department of Homeland Security has highlighted how FEMA, under the Biden administration, neglected the survivors of the 2023 Lahaina, Hawaii, wildfires.In a post on X, the DHS shared a report published by the Guardian that reveals 1 in 6 survivors of the Lahina wildfires “were forced to engage in sexual acts in exchange for basic necessities like food and housing.”
The DHS further added, “These women — our fellow American citizens — were so desperate for food that they had to resort to such extreme measures just to feed themselves in our own country.”
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The Department of Homeland Security has highlighted how FEMA, under the Biden administration, neglected the survivors of the 2023 Lahaina, Hawaii, wildfires.
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DHS Reports 1 of 6 Lahaina Wildfire Survivors Were Forced Into Prostitution to Gain Basic Necessities Such as Food and Shelter
The Department of Homeland Security has highlighted how FEMA, under the Biden administration, neglected the survivors of the 2023 Lahaina, Hawaii, wildfires.
In a post on X, the DHS shared a report published by the Guardian that reveals 1 in 6 survivors of the Lahina wildfires “were forced to engage in sexual acts in exchange for basic necessities like food and housing.”
The DHS further added, “These women — our fellow American citizens — were so desperate for food that they had to resort to such extreme measures just to feed themselves in our own country.”
In the weeks and months after the deadliest American fire in a century, one in six female fire survivors surveyed felt forced to engage in sexual acts in exchange for basic necessities such as food, clothing and housing.
Immigrant women and other limited English speakers felt particularly isolated and unsafe in emergency shelters, with some sleeping with their children in vehicles – or engaging in “survival sex” for a safer place to stay, according to the new report by Tagnawa, a Filipino feminist disaster response organization in Hawaii, shared exclusively with the Guardian.
DHS Reports 1 of 6 Lahaina Wildfire Survivors Were Forced Into Prostitution to Gain Basic Necessities Such as Food and Shelter * The Gateway Pundit * by Anthony Scott
The Department of Homeland Security has highlighted how FEMA, under the Biden administration, neglected the survivors of the 2023 Lahaina, Hawaii, wildfires.
...And thus I realize why, in day of old, they had whipping posts in the town square....
Uzi
.308 Win
DHS Reports 1 of 6 Lahaina Wildfire Survivors Were Forced Into Prostitution to Gain Basic Necessities Such as Food and Shelter
The Department of Homeland Security has highlighted how FEMA, under the Biden administration, neglected the survivors of the 2023 Lahaina, Hawaii, wildfires.
In a post on X, the DHS shared a report published by the Guardian that reveals 1 in 6 survivors of the Lahina wildfires “were forced to engage in sexual acts in exchange for basic necessities like food and housing.”
The DHS further added, “These women — our fellow American citizens — were so desperate for food that they had to resort to such extreme measures just to feed themselves in our own country.”
In the weeks and months after the deadliest American fire in a century, one in six female fire survivors surveyed felt forced to engage in sexual acts in exchange for basic necessities such as food, clothing and housing.
Immigrant women and other limited English speakers felt particularly isolated and unsafe in emergency shelters, with some sleeping with their children in vehicles – or engaging in “survival sex” for a safer place to stay, according to the new report by Tagnawa, a Filipino feminist disaster response organization in Hawaii, shared exclusively with the Guardian.
DHS Reports 1 of 6 Lahaina Wildfire Survivors Were Forced Into Prostitution to Gain Basic Necessities Such as Food and Shelter * The Gateway Pundit * by Anthony Scott
The Department of Homeland Security has highlighted how FEMA, under the Biden administration, neglected the survivors of the 2023 Lahaina, Hawaii, wildfires.
The STD's/STI's are the real tragedy there. It's the oldest solution, but not without real consequences.