Hunter Biden found guilty on all charges

[Saltwater60]

This is perfect timing to say look Trumps trial was fair. He will pay a fine and get probation. No jail time is my prediction

Hunter Biden trial recap: Joe Biden's son guilty on all charges in historic gun case

A Delaware jury announced its decision about President Joe Biden’s son, who faces up to 25 years in prison.

www.usatoday.com

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

25yrs like everyone else

 

[kev74]

 

[Beerman]

Was Hunter’s trial fair? Why, or why not?

Please explain how Trump’s trial was unfair. Just for the sake of an honest discussion. Don’t base it on feelings or opinions, but facts.

I was not present for any of the events which lead to charges in either case, did not know anyone who was, nor was I in the court room during the trials, and I do not know anyone who was there. I cannot form a credible OPINION on the fairness/unfairness of either case, and anyone who shares my lack of knowledge (yes- ignorance) of the facts cannot do so, either. It’s time to own up to our actions, to take responsibility and be held accountable. I’m really tired of people blaming a conspiracy every time they lose. “If I lose ———- in the year 20XX then it’s because it was rigged, fixed, witch hunt, lawfare, weaponized…” Yeah, ok. Even the best guys in baseball don’t hit it sometimes. Take your loss and go sit down like an adult. This, THIS, is a lot of what is wrong with America.

Then again, I could be all wrong, because that whole last part was just my opinion.

 

[turbobike]

Hunter Biden trial seems orchestrated....how coincedental his trial is just the next week after Trumps "trial"....hmmmm

 

[Saltwater60]

Was Hunter’s trial fair? Why, or why not?

Please explain how Trump’s trial was unfair. Just for the sake of an honest discussion. Don’t base it on feelings or opinions, but facts.

I was not present for any of the events which lead to charges in either case, did not know anyone who was, nor was I in the court room during the trials, and I do not know anyone who was there. I cannot form a credible OPINION on the fairness/unfairness of either case, and anyone who shares my lack of knowledge (yes- ignorance) of the facts cannot do so, either. It’s time to own up to our actions, to take responsibility and be held accountable. I’m really tired of people blaming a conspiracy every time they lose. “If I lose ———- in the year 20XX then it’s because it was rigged, fixed, witch hunt, lawfare, weaponized…” Yeah, ok. Even the best guys in baseball don’t hit it sometimes. Take your loss and go sit down like an adult. This, THIS, is a lot of what is wrong with America.

Then again, I could be all wrong, because that whole last part was just my opinion.

Trumps trial was not fair because first and foremost it was held in manhattan where about 10% voted for Trump and is one of the most liberal areas in the USA, not his peers. The judge is horribly liberal and has close family members who donated to democrats and should have recused himself. Alvin Bragg charged Trump with a felony and for this charge NYS has never done that and to be a felony a previous connected crime has to be proven. Where’s the proof of that crime, well the judge instructed the jury that they could decide his past actions were a crime and one of three could be used and did t need to be unanimous in the jury and the Supreme Court has said this many allowed. The judge allowed Trumps past cabinet members and associates to testify that they pled guilty to crimes and allowed the jury/prosecution to connect those crimes to Trump sayin he must be guilty because of that. The prosecution was denied a request to have someone testify that all this was not allowed and that the federal government declined to prosecute all those past claims as a crime and they weren’t allowed to fabricate a crime to charge him as a felon. Why was Cohen allowed to testify? Doesn’t that break attorney client privilege. Also Alvin Bragg doesn’t charge anyone with a felony and he’s the guy that said armed robbery is simple petite larceny if the perp said I wasn’t going to kill them. Why was a gag order placed on Trump? Seems odd to me.
The trial was a sham on many levels but in many’s minds Biden being convicted will legitimize it or at least that’s what the left is hoping for.

 

[Jmac00]

Trumps trial was fair unfare because first and foremost it was held in manhattan where about 10% voted for Trump and is one of the most liberal areas in the USA, not his peers. The judge is horribly liberal and has close family members who donated to democrats and should have recused himself. Alvin Bragg charged Trump with a felony and for this charge NYS has never done that and to be a felony a previous connected crime has to be proven. Where’s the proof of that crime, well the judge instructed the jury that they could decide his past actions were a crime and one of three could be used and did t need to be unanimous in the jury and the Supreme Court has said this many allowed. The judge allowed Trumps past cabinet members and associates to testify that they pled guilty to crimes and allowed the jury/prosecution to connect those crimes to Trump sayin he must be guilty because of that. The prosecution was denied a request to have someone testify that all this was not allowed and that the federal government declined to prosecute all those past claims as a crime and they weren’t allowed to fabricate a crime to charge him as a felon. Why was Cohen allowed to testify? Doesn’t that break attorney client privilege. Also Alvin Bragg doesn’t charge anyone with a felony and he’s the guy that said armed robbery is simple petite larceny if the perp said I wasn’t going to kill them. Why was a gag order placed on Trump? Seems odd to me.
The trial was a sham on many levels but in many’s minds Biden being convicted will legitimize it or at least that’s what the left is hoping for.

don't you mean UN-FAIR..... it was also unfair because the statue of limitations had run out, but that dipshit James and bragg reinstated the statue of limitations so they could bring charges.

 

[John Stark]

Was Hunter’s trial fair? Why, or why not?

Please explain how Trump’s trial was unfair. Just for the sake of an honest discussion. Don’t base it on feelings or opinions, but facts.

I was not present for any of the events which lead to charges in either case, did not know anyone who was, nor was I in the court room during the trials, and I do not know anyone who was there. I cannot form a credible OPINION on the fairness/unfairness of either case, and anyone who shares my lack of knowledge (yes- ignorance) of the facts cannot do so, either. It’s time to own up to our actions, to take responsibility and be held accountable. I’m really tired of people blaming a conspiracy every time they lose. “If I lose ———- in the year 20XX then it’s because it was rigged, fixed, witch hunt, lawfare, weaponized…” Yeah, ok. Even the best guys in baseball don’t hit it sometimes. Take your loss and go sit down like an adult. This, THIS, is a lot of what is wrong with America.

Then again, I could be all wrong, because that whole last part was just my opinion.

Many people have followed both of these high profile cases, including myself. You admittedly haven't, but now everyone else on this forum need to spoon feed you information, a lot of which is already years old?

Myself and others here could probably post a crap ton of information on both cases, but why would we? All of it is in the public domain. I can respect admitting to ignorance, since I am not an expert on anything. That being said, there are two very large and prominent legal trials that have been ongoing for a long time.

Stop being lazy. You could probably just read a few posts on this forum that give the details in both of these cases.

Your request is almost an attempt to use a version of the heckler's veto on all of us who keep ourselves informed by demanding the rest of us rehash a shit ton of information.

Its your country too. Pay attention, or pay the price of ignorance!

 

[GOPerfect]

Was Hunter’s trial fair? Why, or why not?

Please explain how Trump’s trial was unfair. Just for the sake of an honest discussion. Don’t base it on feelings or opinions, but facts.

I was not present for any of the events which lead to charges in either case, did not know anyone who was, nor was I in the court room during the trials, and I do not know anyone who was there. I cannot form a credible OPINION on the fairness/unfairness of either case, and anyone who shares my lack of knowledge (yes- ignorance) of the facts cannot do so, either. It’s time to own up to our actions, to take responsibility and be held accountable. I’m really tired of people blaming a conspiracy every time they lose. “If I lose ———- in the year 20XX then it’s because it was rigged, fixed, witch hunt, lawfare, weaponized…” Yeah, ok. Even the best guys in baseball don’t hit it sometimes. Take your loss and go sit down like an adult. This, THIS, is a lot of what is wrong with America.

Then again, I could be all wrong, because that whole last part was just my opinion.

I do not know enough of this trial to say if it was fair or not.

The Trump trial, no. Not fair and not just. The judge made more than 100 judicial errors in the trial. The gag order was not valid. The suppression of evidence was not fair or just. I can continue to list...

 

[John Stark]

Given the topic at hand, put this in your pipe and smoke it.

Hunter looks like he's guilty and going to face consequences.

Sleepy Joe has stated publicly that HE will not pardon the crackhead and gun felon.

Hmmm... Who is waiting in the wings with a pardon?

Who is a doddering, evil old bastard who can't keep his shit straight, and needs to resign because of his health "for the good of the country?"

Who does not want to see Sleepy Joe debating a taco, let alone Trump, on a Live feed in the near future?

Rhetorical questions are rhetorical.

 

[Apeman]

Sleepy joe might already know that his crack head kid won't get jail time and that's why he said he won't pardon him.

 

[fresch]

All games to fool the fools.

 

[John Stark]

Sleepy joe might already know that his crack head kid won't get jail time and that's why he said he won't pardon him.

Maybe. I would not be surprised that the fix is in.

That being said, the optics on that would be BAD for the Demscum.

Hunter is looking at 25 years and $750,000 fine on easily provable (and now found guilty of by a jury) three serious felony gun convictions. He is clearly guilty given the Fed laws.

The optics on that is horrible for the Demscum, particularly with the election so close and campaign season rolling Fast & Furious.

Of course, they did cheat the 2020 election by having the voting tally in their pocket in many ways, so truly all bets ought to be off the table given the possibility of another fixed "election."

Can't beat the cheat.

EDIT: Hunter is going to have the option for appeals too, so that is a whole other angle along your line of thinking!

 

[Willyone]

The article that @Saltwater60 put up refers to Hunter as "The 54-year old businessman"

T'will be interesting to see what the punishment of the guilty verdict is. My guess is sentencing will likely amount to a nothing burger. And if there is some actual punishment doled out, somehow someway the "54-year old businessman" will be handed a work around of sorts. The Biden Cartell will see to that.

 

[Saltwater60]

don't you mean UN-FAIR..... it was also unfair because the statue of limitations had run out, but that dipshit James and bragg reinstated the statue of limitations so they could bring charges.

Yes unfair. The statute of limitations did run out that’s why they needed to make it a felony from what I heard.

 

[Jmac00]

Sleepy joe might already know that his crack head kid won't get jail time and that's why he said he won't pardon him.

either a lengthy parole or house arrest, or both. But whatever it is. It will be tied to the Trump conviction. The DOJ/DNC have no choice. If they put Trump in jail, and let hunter go 'free' ( kinda ) then the shit will hit the fan

 

[Cooolone]

Establish an non consequence sentence for the conviction and then it would render the questions on the 4473 null and void! Another new legal paradigm by the elite... Just like Comey and his choice to not prosecute Hitlery because she didn't "Intend" to break any laws, meaning she knew full well she was doing it, but didn't do it with intent? Lmao...

These MF's only bend when it suits them... Change or disband the Electoral College, Change the SCOTUS because we don't like what it does, etc., etc.

We shall see what they come up with here, but I got a Bridge to Sell Ya' if you think this guy is going to be sentenced to any time!

Next up, the IRS and non payment of a few million in taxes... Another joke fest!

 

[kev74]

I imagine the presentation of evidence in Hunter's trial went something like this

 

[Beerman]

Many people have followed both of these high profile cases, including myself. You admittedly haven't, but now everyone else on this forum need to spoon feed you information, a lot of which is already years old?

Myself and others here could probably post a crap ton of information on both cases, but why would we? All of it is in the public domain. I can respect admitting to ignorance, since I am not an expert on anything. That being said, there are two very large and prominent legal trials that have been ongoing for a long time.

Stop being lazy. You could probably just read a few posts on this forum that give the details in both of these cases.

Your request is almost an attempt to use a version of the heckler's veto on all of us who keep ourselves informed by demanding the rest of us rehash a shit ton of information.

Its your country too. Pay attention, or pay the price of ignorance!

Incorrect- I have read a great deal about these trials. I understand a lot about them. I never called them unfair, though, nor did I label them fair. To throw out decisive drivel about the specific cases being “fair” or “unfair” will illicit a response from me in the firm of the question I asked. I’m not asking for knowledge. No one here has direct knowledge of the actual facts of either case. If they did, that would certainly deliver a huge bit of credibility to their statements of fairness, wouldn’t it?

Trump was accused of paperwork shenanigans. So was Hunter. Both are somewhat vague generalizations, but still ring true.

 

[Saltwater60]

either a lengthy parole or house arrest, or both. But whatever it is. It will be tied to the Trump conviction. The DOJ/DNC have no choice. If they put Trump in jail, and let hunter go 'free' ( kinda ) then the shit will hit the fan

House arrest and a fine for Hunter is my thoughts. Trump will get house arrest since jail is complicated with the secret service protection. Then when Trump is missing in person for everything the media can say Trump is missing because he’s a felon on house arrest.

 

[Bigfoot]

Please explain how Trump’s trial was unfair.

Not sure if serious...

 

[John Stark]

I’m not asking for knowledge. No one here has direct knowledge of the actual facts of either case. If they did, that would certainly deliver a huge bit of credibility to their statements of fairness, wouldn’t it?

Holy shit.

Guess what pal. Pretty much no one in either the Hunter Biden trial or the Trump trial had "direct knowledge" of the actual facts of either case either, apart from the defendants.

The judge had no direct knowledge, neither did the prosecutors, the defense lawyers, or the jury. ALL of those people were dealing with the facts of the cases at a minimum as third parties. Even the investigators who were directly and indirectly collecting the evidence were outside of the crimes that were alleged and had no direct, personal knowledge of the events beyond second hand (at best).

Now you're a really informed guy right, by your own admission?

Then you should know what the standards are that would constitute the definition of a "fair trial" in the United States, correct?

So fucking judge for yourself!

Rather than talking about the topic at hand, you want to insert Trump into the equation to stimulate some "discussion" about the Hunter trial and we're all supposed take the bait so you can what? Bitch about conspiracy theories?

Since you know so much, why don't you just lay it on us with a forthright analysis of your own rather than baiting the hook and dropping it in the water?

I'm not a Trump partisan. I can't stand the fucking guy, and I'm not voting for him. I personally have no bias against either defendant prima facie.

But I can tell the difference between shit and shinola. And I'm not talking about either trial in making that statement to you.

Dropping a hand grenade in the pond to see what floats to the top might be the very definition of trolling.

 

[Beerman]

Holy shit.

Guess what pal. Pretty much no one in either the Hunter Biden trial or the Trump trial had "direct knowledge" of the actual facts of either case either, apart from the defendants.

The judge had no direct knowledge, neither did the prosecutors, the defense lawyers, or the jury. ALL of those people were dealing with the facts of the cases at a minimum as third parties. Even the investigators who were directly and indirectly collecting the evidence were outside of the crimes that were alleged and had no direct, personal knowledge of the events beyond second hand (at best).

Now you're a really informed guy right, by your own admission?

Then you should know what the standards are that would constitute the definition of a "fair trial" in the United States, correct?

So fucking judge for yourself!

Rather than talking about the topic at hand, you want to insert Trump into the equation to stimulate some "discussion" about the Hunter trial and we're all supposed take the bait so you can what? Bitch about conspiracy theories?

Since you know so much, why don't you just lay it on us with a forthright analysis of your own rather than baiting the hook and dropping it in the water?

I'm not a Trump partisan. I can't stand the fucking guy, and I'm not voting for him. I personally have no bias against either defendant prima facie.

But I can tell the difference between shit and shinola. And I'm not talking about either trial in making that statement to you.

Dropping a hand grenade in the pond to see what floats to the top might be the very definition of trolling.

First off, Salty brought Trump into this thread in the original post.

I said that I have read a lot about both cases. That doesn’t make me any more or less informed than anyone else. I’ve read about it in different news sources. Are they accurate, credible, reliable? Hardly, in nearly every case. The media is almost never factually accurate.

I understand that you’re emotionally involved with this topic. It’s quite obvious that you have a lot of feelings invested in it. I hope you find what you’re looking for. Not trying to pass anyone off. Quite the opposite, in fact.

 

[kev74]

 

[fresch]

He will donate one of his paintings, boom, $1.4mil..

 

[Phazer]

I still do not agree with unconstitutional self-incrimination questions on 4473 form to exercise 2A rights.

Hunter is a bad dude for many other things: He's an undocumented foreign solicitor. He's a tax cheat. He was his Dad's international bag man in a quid pro quo shakedown. But, the gun charges aren't the worst. Heck...Hunter could help change 4473 forms for everyone with appropriate appeals.

 

[dwa12479]

Partisan politics and personal feelings aside... this is NOT a win for the 2A community OR Trump supporters. The absolute best thing that could have happened here was an acquittal on all charges.

#1) Invalidates the 4473.

#2) Demonstrates the two tiered justice system.

This was a double secret probation loss for 2A and Conservatism. I wanted an acquittal with full apologies from the court.

 

[GOPerfect]

Partisan politics and personal feelings aside... this is NOT a win for the 2A community OR Trump supporters. The absolute best thing that could have happened here was an acquittal on all charges.

#1) Invalidates the 4473.

#2) Demonstrates the two tiered justice system.

This was a double secret probation loss for 2A and Conservatism. I wanted an acquittal with full apologies from the court.

I do not think the 2A was on trial here.

What I mean by this, guilty or not guilty would not have changed anything at all.

The 4473 will go away, only if and when the US ceases to exist.

If he was found not guilty, do you think that would have been the beginning of the end of background checks?

This is not a win or a loss for anyone, except hunter, or anything.

 

[FRANKIE]

I’ll put a different spin on it
Maybe sleepy Joe wants him locked up for a while
With the White House lawn littered with crack vials that’s a hazard for Joe.
He might trip on one and fall

 

[RedBreast21]

Its all for optics. Imagine Trump verdict went the other way? Imagine the spin that would have to take place.

Now the narrative of Biden needs to step away.