HUZZAH ! President Trump is building our WALL !

[CaseHardened]

Like 'building a 30-foot wall through Arlington Cemetery': Tribal leaders in Arizona are worried Trump's border wall will decimate sacred sites and leave smugglers no choice but to cut through native land

The Globalists and the Short-Sighted complain - I rejoice !

 

[Darth]

It might decimate sacred sights.

It will be a complete and total waste of billions of our dollars.

 

[CaseHardened]

It might decimate sacred sights.

It will be a complete and total waste of billions of our dollars.

Unlike the BILLIONS spent to subsidize Illegals, who drive up the cost of Public Schools, Health Care, Housing, Prisons, Police, by their very prescence here ?

And drive down the wages of the American Middle Class.

Let alone their very real and very illegal VOTING.

 

[Darth]

Unlike the BILLIONS spent to subsidize Illegals, who drive up the cost of Public Schools, Housing, Prisons, Police, by their very prescence here ?

And drive down the wages of the American Middle Class.

Let alone their very real and very illegal VOTING.

Can't justify a bad policy with other bad policies.

 

[BDinPutnam]

When is he going to start building walls around airports?

Because the vast majority of illegal aliens in this country do not trek hundreds of miles thru the desert.

 

[technicalgadget]

When is he going to start building walls around airports?

Because the vast majority of illegal aliens in this country do not trek hundreds of miles thru the desert.

I give you the Enhanced Drivers License.

REAL ID | Transportation Security Administration

The REAL ID Act was passed by Congress in 2005 to establish minimum security standards for state-issued driver's licenses and identification cards.

www.tsa.gov

Beginning October 1, 2021, every air traveler 18 years of age and older will need a REAL ID-compliant driver’s license, state-issued enhanced driver’s license, or another acceptable form of ID to fly within the United States.

 

[BDinPutnam]

I give you the Enhanced Drivers License.

REAL ID | Transportation Security Administration

The REAL ID Act was passed by Congress in 2005 to establish minimum security standards for state-issued driver's licenses and identification cards.

www.tsa.gov

Beginning October 1, 2021, every air traveler 18 years of age and older will need a REAL ID-compliant driver’s license, state-issued enhanced driver’s license, or another acceptable form of ID to fly within the United States.

What's that got to do with foreigners over-staying their visas?

 

[E the massive]

What's that got to do with foreigners over-staying their visas?

Nothing, foreigners will be able to travel on their passport they used to get here.

 

[technicalgadget]

It’s the wall surrounding the airports. Illegal aliens will no longer be allowed to fly without an EDL.

 

[CaseHardened]

What's that got to do with foreigners over-staying their visas?

Most countries, notably Australia, handle those who overstay quite well.

Immediate Deportation and Permanent Banning.

America, however, lacks the will.

That must change.

 

[holdover]

Ask Isreal if walls work.

 

[holdover]

Know what works better than walls? Marked minefields . You know how fast they can put into place ? A matter of weeks .

 

[BDinPutnam]

Most countries, notably Australia, handle those who overstay quite well.

Immediate Deportation and Permanent Banning.

America, however, lacks the will.

That must change.

I'd rather the money be spent on this than a largely symbolic wall.

 

[holdover]

It definitely would not be ""largely symbolic""I don't even know how you came to that conclusion

 

[Criticalt]

Ask Isreal if walls work.

Or the dozensof other countries with border walls....that work very well.
Spain
Hungary
South Africa
China
Egypt
Kuwait
Iraq
Macedonia
India
Most countries in Africa
Saudi Arabia
Yemen
And many, many others.

Even Mexico has sections of fence/wall between Mexico and Guatemala.
Many liberals will say these walls dont exist, but ive been there, they exist.

 

[FS1040]

I came here hoping it was a wall around NYC.

 

[technicalgadget]

Only Snake Plisskin knows about that wall...

 

[BDinPutnam]

It definitely would not be ""largely symbolic""I don't even know how you came to that conclusion

Because the vast, vast majority of illegal aliens in this country didnt walk thru the US/Mexican physical border?

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Money solves most problems......even with Native Americans...Move the bodies...build a casino

 

[Darth]

Maybe if we put a wall around the prisons, drugs wouldn't get in.

 

[Chevusa]

 

[Darth]

Not agreeing with "the wall" != open borders.

 

[Chevusa]

If the boarder should be closed, close it. You can either walk right in or you can't. Putting up a sign that says the boarder is closed you can't cross this line isn't going to work.

 

[Darth]

If the boarder should be closed, close it. You can either walk right in or you can't. Putting up a sign that says the boarder is closed you can't cross this line isn't going to work.

Putting a wall up isn't going to work.

Source: people already get in at the walled sections.

 

[Chevusa]

Putting a wall up isn't going to work.

Source: people already get in at the walled sections.

The current "walled sections" are nothing more than a low barrier you can climb over. The new "wall" is over 30 ft high and is a different story. Is it impenetrable? No, nothing is. But it sure takes a lot of time and effort to scale it. That time allows agents time to arrive and intercept, once they are alerted by sensors and cameras. No system will eliminate it 100%, but a drastic decrease will save us billions every year. Just because a few people might be able to get over doesn't mean there should be no barrier at all. A slow drip is a lot better than the flood gates wide open.

 

[Darth]

The current "walled sections" are nothing more than a low barrier you can climb over. The new "wall" is over 30 ft high and is a different story. Is it impenetrable? No, nothing is. But it sure takes a lot of time and effort to scale it. That time allows agents time to arrive and intercept, once they are alerted by sensors and cameras. No system will eliminate it 100%, but a drastic decrease will save us billions every year. Just because a few people might be able to get over doesn't mean there should be no barrier at all. A slow drip is a lot better than the flood gates wide open.

Going to need a citation of the billions per year savings.

 

[Chevusa]

The findings of this analysis show that if a border wall stopped a small fraction of the illegal immigrants who are expected to come in the next decade, the fiscal savings from having fewer illegal immigrants in the country would be sufficient to cover the costs of the wall. This analysis takes the likely education level of illegal border-crossers and applies fiscal estimates developed by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NAS) for immigrants by education level. NAS calculates the future fiscal balance immigrants create — taxes paid minus costs. NAS reports fiscal balances as "net present values", which places a lower value on future expenditures than on current expenditures.

Based on the NAS data, illegal border-crossers create an average fiscal burden of approximately $74,722 during their lifetimes, excluding any costs for their U.S.-born children. If a border wall stopped between 160,000 and 200,000 illegal crossers — 9 to 12 percent of those expected to successfully cross in the next decade — the fiscal savings would equal the $12 to $15 billion cost of the wall.

https://cis.org/sites/default/files/2019-01/camarota-wall-costs.pdf

 

[Darth]

The findings of this analysis show that if a border wall stopped a small fraction of the illegal immigrants who are expected to come in the next decade, the fiscal savings from having fewer illegal immigrants in the country would be sufficient to cover the costs of the wall. This analysis takes the likely education level of illegal border-crossers and applies fiscal estimates developed by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NAS) for immigrants by education level. NAS calculates the future fiscal balance immigrants create — taxes paid minus costs. NAS reports fiscal balances as "net present values", which places a lower value on future expenditures than on current expenditures.

Based on the NAS data, illegal border-crossers create an average fiscal burden of approximately $74,722 during their lifetimes, excluding any costs for their U.S.-born children. If a border wall stopped between 160,000 and 200,000 illegal crossers — 9 to 12 percent of those expected to successfully cross in the next decade — the fiscal savings would equal the $12 to $15 billion cost of the wall.

https://cis.org/sites/default/files/2019-01/camarota-wall-costs.pdf

Already converd this.

You can't defend bad policy with bad policy.

 

[Chevusa]

Already converd this.

You can't defend bad policy with bad policy.

It's bad policy to secure the boarder by a wall which has been shown to pay for itself by stopping the problem? How so?

 

[Darth]

It's bad policy to secure the boarder by a wall which has been shown to pay for itself by stopping the problem? How so?

How does it pay for itself?