I want yet another AR-15
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FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Dont care how bad I want an SBR that thing is fugly!
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I know. I was messing with ya, lol.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
This one for when you run out of bullets and to add to your ragnar collection... lol
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Damn. Would be nicer if the tube wasn't carbon fiber.
Lower is: Anderson Manufacturing... https://andersonmanufacturing.com/am-15-stripped-lower-receiver.html
Upper is an Anderson as well... https://andersonmanufacturing.com/am-15-stripped-upper-receiver.html
Barrel is from Bear creek..... 5.56 NATO, 16" Stainless Mid-Weight Barrel, 1:8 Twist, Mid-Length Gas System|Barrel
Handguards STNGR *BACK ORDERED* Ultimate HWK M-Lok Bundle
Bolt carrier group is from Brownells. M16 Lightweight Bolt Carrier Group Nitride : BROWNELLS M16 5.56 LIGHTWEIGHT BOLT CARRIER GROUP | Brownells
Charging Handle... Charging Handle with Extended Latch in Black, FDE, Red, Blue - Products
Stock kit.... Leapers UTG PRO Ops Ready S2 Mil-Spec Stock Kit - Black RBUS2BM
Lower parts and upper parts, I do not recall, basic though.
Trigger..... 2-Stage Nickel-Boron Trigger
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Vapor
.308 Win
A true poverty pony.
We are proud.
We are proud.
I wanted to make sure it was under $700. I came in full at $632 that includes all shipping and taxes.
I am proud of my frugalness.
I am proud of my frugalness.
Vapor
.308 Win
People make fun of Anderson's being "poverty ponies." Becuse we can't "afford" the good stuff like BCM, Spikes, DD, etc.
Well...I'm not knocking those brands, but I think Anderson and PSA receivers are fine.
Still haven't had someone be able to tell me how/why my PSA premium upper with toolcraft bolt and an FN usa barrel is so vastly inferior anyway...
I read a lot about pieces and parts and manufacturers, seems like there is not a whole hell of difference between many of them.
Same metals, same machining, same specs. I love spikes, I have two AR's with their lowers. They have some great looks, worth the money? Sure.
I had a goal in regards to price, I did better than I set out for..
My next build will be pricier
Vapor
.308 Win
They all run like a stuck pig.
I have a spikes upper with a wilson barrel. I like it.
It has a yhm gas block, and a mil spec delton bolt.
My best shooting upper doesn't even have a maker on it, just an Anchor Harvey forging mark.
Let us know how that scope works out too.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Anderson makes solid parts. Correct me if I'm wrong but what I have been told is that there are only so many forges and so most of the raw parts are the same between brands, it's just the finish work (roll marks, metal finishes, other small details) that will vary.
Dated but probably still mostly true... AR Lower Receiver FAQ (56k beware) MMS, CMT, LAR, LMT compared... - AR15.COM
Vapor
.308 Win
I remember when CMT was the cat's meow of lowers. I wonder if that still holds true.
Here is a copied list of uppers for this who are interested:
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A (splintered) = Anchor Harvey Aluminum
AF = Alcoa Forge
C AF = Colt Alco Forge
C MB = Colt / Mueller Brass
Cardinal (stylized) = Cardinal Forge
CH = Colt Harvey Aluminum
Circle/Crosshairs w/"AR" = ArmaLite
CK = Colt / Kaiser Aluminum
CM = Colt / Martin Marietta
D (stylized) = Diemaco
DK = Diemaco / Kaiser Aluminum
E = Emco
EK = EMCO/Kaiser
E MB = EMCO/Mueller Brass
F keyhole = FNMI / Cerro Forge
FA = FNMI / Anchor Harvey
FK = FNMI / Kaiser Aluminum
FM = FN/Martin Marietta
FMB = FNMI / Mueller Brass
Keyhole = Cerro Forge
L = Lewis Machine & Tool
LK = LAR / Kaiser Aluminum
LM = LAR / Martin Marietta
M (under diamond) = Mueller Industries
PA = Capco / Anchor Harvey
PM = Capco / Martin Marietta
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
There is a lot of BS when it comes to a lower. A lower is a lower and if you have a decent Billet of T7 and good machining
within tolerances there is no reason to believe one is much better than the other.
the only considerations are for those that might have a bit of extra meat there where you need it the most in stress areas
and having an integral trigger guard that adds to the rigidity of the piece. that and the desired finishing that might be
a bit better or worse. anodizing is hardly the best finishing.
In my experience there is no much difference but of all lowers the old SI-defense (now overpriced Nemo) with
the teflon finish (special order) are possibly the best and most robust cut I have seen.
SI-Defense that used to be a part of veteran owned sunjay manufacturing are Military contractors for the airforce
and make several parts of the fighter jets like the landing gears and such so their machines and stock material
is amazing. they even made a few recievers of titanium just for show and tell.
They actually sold a lot of those to the special forces and navy seals for special orders/builds and rock and lilja
made them some pretty cool barrels.
I was on a wait list for a long time until I was able to get those teflon finished in DT the same they sold to the seals.
Woudl I do it again? probably not but those are nice to have and tough as nails.
Now nemo sucks. Overpriced stuff nobody wants and even less can afford.
Other decent ones are Mega and Seekings who actually do their machining. But there are so many other good ones.
We are talking about pieces far superior to Milspec brands armalite, colt, FN and HK, etc...
barrels same thing but you need to research if you want trully proofed barrels because everyone lies about HP and MP testing.
it is all a big lie so one has to do a bit of research ahead to know one is getting something different and stronger
and not the same OEM stuff repackaged and rebranded.
There is a lot of talk about brands and receivers but nobody talks about what are the well known weakest points of the
AR and how to make them better. Truly and honestly, not just internet tacticool mambo jambo branding stuff
like in AR15 forums and all that other garbage out there.
you probably know what the weakest points are by now so I don't have to sound repetitive and boring.
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Vapor
.308 Win
I think people in the AR world are overly obsessed with minutiae anyway. Some people think if the barrel isn't 4150, Hp/MPI, cold hammer forged and chrome lined...I always say it's becuse before they were ar guys they weren't gun guys.
4140 barrels have only been totally fine for calibers way more powerful and higher pressure than 5.56 for literally decades.
My best ar barrel overall is a nitrided fluted 4140 YHM 20".
My most accurate guns are a Savage model and a tc compass (hilariously). They get along just fine with plain 4140 steel...
4140 barrels have only been totally fine for calibers way more powerful and higher pressure than 5.56 for literally decades.
My best ar barrel overall is a nitrided fluted 4140 YHM 20".
My most accurate guns are a Savage model and a tc compass (hilariously). They get along just fine with plain 4140 steel...
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Best is relative based on ones goals but I would say accuracy should be a primary consideration.
Cold hammer is not the best way to form a barrel but the most cost effective way once you tool for big volume manufacturing.
Chrome lined is an inferior method vs nitrocarburizing the whole barrel.
Only FN, colt and H&K HP test their groups because of military certification. Everyone else lie about it.
Some small brands like young and ARP actually test their batches, not with a certified process but wiht their own in house methods
and their bolts are already beefed up with extra radious and harder alloys so they are superior from most other brands including
FN and, colt etc...
you just have to know who you are buying from and why. Everything else is a hit and miss of OEM rebrands.
Perhaps we should start by saying that everyone shoudl avoid carbine ported barres like those M4 style profiles that serve no
purpose and anything shorter than 16"-18" for a 223 or a 308 that is a waste of previous powder and bullets.
Vapor
.308 Win
I'm sorry my friend, we have a tendency to derail threads. I think we should let this one go back to being about Goperfs ar build.
I will say what determines what is best is based on an individual's situational criteria. Accuracy is relative. What is "best" for benches shooting is different than PRS which is different than what is "best" for taking an single cold bore shot on a mountain goat hunt vs. retained accurate fire under full auto firing conditions.
I will say what determines what is best is based on an individual's situational criteria. Accuracy is relative. What is "best" for benches shooting is different than PRS which is different than what is "best" for taking an single cold bore shot on a mountain goat hunt vs. retained accurate fire under full auto firing conditions.
Build is done! Derail all you want. The knowledge shared here is worth a shit ton. I know guns, well, until I read much of what others post, I realize how little I know.
Keep the free education coming!!!!
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
There is no intention on my part to derail anything.
I still wonder what is more useless in a service rifle, full automatic fire or an inherently inaccurate gun or perhaps they come both combined.
As soon as we stay away form the M4 tacticool style "mil spec" design absurdity, we can do so much better.
I still wonder what is more useless in a service rifle, full automatic fire or an inherently inaccurate gun or perhaps they come both combined.
As soon as we stay away form the M4 tacticool style "mil spec" design absurdity, we can do so much better.
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Vapor
.308 Win
Ok so this might derail the thread... or maybe not
A long time ago built a 6.8 SPC under the watchful eye of a respected member. Had FTF issues from the start. Couldn't figure it out. Well just yesterday my boy went through 20 rounds in not so many minutes. No problem with cycling. Maybe needed some time to adjust?
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Those young fingers are fast! lol.
so what was the problem, F2F, F2E, both? That barrel is not the reason.
things to check: Enough Gas, hammer engagement + spring tension, proper spring, any other interferance or friction.
you used a M16 style heavy bolt carrier right?
Tres amigos. Nostros Montamos!
Vapor
.308 Win
Is the gas block tight?
Is the gas port clean?
Are the gas rings in good shape?
Is the gas key tight?
What weight buffer are you running?
Is the bolt failing to return to battery, or are the cartridges hanging up somewhere?
Is the gas port clean?
Are the gas rings in good shape?
Is the gas key tight?
What weight buffer are you running?
Is the bolt failing to return to battery, or are the cartridges hanging up somewhere?
As I said no issues as of yesterday maybe needed to break in?
Vapor
.308 Win
I've only built like 10 or 12 ar rifles, but I've never had one that didn't fail to function right away except for my very first one.
I guess everyone's mileage may vary.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
...and some swear words.