IRS ON AN AMMO BUYING SPREE

[Steal2B]

“There is concern that this is part of a broader effort to have any entity in the federal government buy up ammo to reduce the amount of ammunition that is in supply, while at the same time, making it harder to produce ammo.”

Gaetz noted a scenario where federal entities are buying up ammo puts citizens in a place where the exercise of the Second Amendment is limited due to the inability to get ammunition.

He painted a dire scenario where the government reduces ammunition production “and, on the other hand, [soaks] up the supply of it.”

Rep. Matt Gaetz: Biden's IRS Spent Approximately $700,000 on Ammo 'Between March and June 1'

Rep. Matt Gaetz told Breitbart News Saturday that the IRS spent approximately $700,000 "between March and June 1" purchasing ammunition.

www.breitbart.com

And don't forget the supply reductions at manufacturers level
Thread 'Good bye Lake city 223/556 commercial ammo' Good bye Lake city 223/556 commercial ammo

 

[prambo]

Fuck the IRS.

 

[TheMoneyPit]

Why Does the IRS Need Guns?

Former Sen. Tom Coburn and OpenTheBooks CEO Adam Andrzejewski write about federal agencies amassing massive amounts of guns and ammunition: It’s time to scale back the federal arsenal.

www.wsj.com

Crazy all these agencies you would think would not require much fire power are stocking up and trying to limit average citizens

The Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service spent $4.77 million purchasing shotguns, .308 caliber rifles, night-vision goggles, propane cannons, liquid explosives, pyro supplies, buckshot, LP gas cannons, drones, remote-control helicopters, thermal cameras, military waterproof thermal infrared scopes and more.

 

[ManualF150]

Here's some numbers from 2019:

IRS Has 4,600 Guns and Five Million Rounds of Ammo: Will Dem Bill Grow Arsenal? - Americans for Tax Reform

The IRS has 4,600 guns and five million rounds of ammunition according to a report from OpenTheBooks published in 2020. With Democrats on the verge of passing $80 billion in additional funding to facilitate the hiring of 87,000 new agents, how much will this arsenal grow? The Democrats' push to...

www.atr.org

Maybe we are converting our US Dollar to be backed by ammo? lol

 

[Tisto]

Here's some numbers from 2019:

IRS Has 4,600 Guns and Five Million Rounds of Ammo: Will Dem Bill Grow Arsenal? - Americans for Tax Reform

The IRS has 4,600 guns and five million rounds of ammunition according to a report from OpenTheBooks published in 2020. With Democrats on the verge of passing $80 billion in additional funding to facilitate the hiring of 87,000 new agents, how much will this arsenal grow? The Democrats' push to...

www.atr.org

Maybe we are converting our US Dollar to be backed by ammo? lol

Well, if that were the case, at least it would be backed by SOMETHING...

 

[RedBreast21]

The IRS has 2000 criminal special agents that have to qualify every year. So, $700,000.00 is about 350,000 rounds or 175rds per agent. I'm not seeing the big alarm here. But it makes for great headlines.

This is the shit that the right needs to stop! There is plenty of real shit to be concerned about and this BS here only gives credence to detractors.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The IRS has 2000 criminal special agents that have to qualify every year. So, $700,000.00 is about 350,000 rounds or 175rds per agent. I'm not seeing the big alarm here. But it makes for great headlines.

This is the shit that the right needs to stop! There is plenty of real shit to be concerned about and this BS here only gives credence to detractor.

Maybe but still... Fuck the IRS.

 

[wirehairfan]

$700,000.00 is about 350,000 rounds or 175rds per agent.

You really think they're paying $2/round?

 

[Stuckinny]

The Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service spent $4.77 million purchasing shotguns, .308 caliber rifles, night-vision goggles, propane cannons, liquid explosives, pyro supplies, buckshot, LP gas cannons, drones, remote-control helicopters, thermal cameras, military waterproof thermal infrared scopes and more.

Guess who bing watched Little Shop of Horrors and Tremors.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Ammo hoarders of a higher caliber. I wonder if they get free shipping?

 

[fresch]

So they smuggle it into N.Y. right!?

 

[Paxal]

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“There is concern that this is part of a broader effort to have any entity in the federal government buy up ammo to reduce the amount of ammunition that is in supply, while at the same time, making it harder to produce ammo.”

Gaetz noted a scenario where federal entities are buying up ammo puts citizens in a place where the exercise of the Second Amendment is limited due to the inability to get ammunition.

He painted a dire scenario where the government reduces ammunition production “and, on the other hand, [soaks] up the supply of it.”

Rep. Matt Gaetz: Biden's IRS Spent Approximately $700,000 on Ammo 'Between March and June 1'

Rep. Matt Gaetz told Breitbart News Saturday that the IRS spent approximately $700,000 "between March and June 1" purchasing ammunition.

www.breitbart.com

And don't forget the supply reductions at manufacturers level
Thread 'Good bye Lake city 223/556 commercial ammo' Good bye Lake city 223/556 commercial ammo

Broken record time: The states need to take control of IRS functions and disperse money to the feds.

 

[RedBreast21]

You really think they're paying $2/round?

Yep your right. But no. 700 rds per agent for the year. That's about right. Actually a bit short. Most PD's around me get at least 100rds a month for practice.

 

[RedBreast21]

Ever since the formation of Homeland Security under Bush, every single government entity has created their own Special weapons teams, procured weapons and equipment, this also includes local PD's arming street officers with M4's and other tactical gear to include MRAP's and other retire equipment. Most here, I am sure, praised Bush and the the formation of Homeland Security, the Patriot Act...ect but not me. I saw this coming a mile off.

Well, it's here and there isn't much we can do about. I know it's a hard pill to swallow but we, the majority, voted for it. lol

Okay, mistake made, time to move on. The IRS has agents assigned to units that require firearms training and equipment. Every PD officer get a monthly amount of ammo issued for practice at most departments. For the IRS this amounts to about 50rds. Kind of low if you ask me. What bothers me more is that we need to come off as critical thinking, level headed citizens and not some easily trigger bunch of anti government nut jobs that make it on to CNN over training budgets. This article is a fine example of exposing that weakness. If it weren't for the critical mid-term elections, this isn't a story.

Once a better administration is put in and congress, hopefully republican (or libertarian..lol) is in power, we need to pressure them to pull back the funding and material dispersed to these bloated agencies. Local PD's as well. There needs to be a fundamental reset where the government, Fed, State and local, are out of their power trip. Only then will a the idea of a Constitutional Republic return. Today we have two generations of youth programmed that government is the soul power and issuer of rights. That is a tall mountain to climb.

 

[2WheelGnnr]

Yeah...cuz the IRS needs Guns.......Get those tax crimes......

Just buying so we cant...........IMHO

 

[96coal449]

$700k of "legalized'' theft, to a private corp, yet Americans continue to feed the beast.

 

[prambo]

$700k of "legalized'' theft, to a private corp, yet Americans continue to feed the beast.

I've been calling this country "the fUSA".

That can mean "former" USA or "feral" USA - lately it's been more of the latter.

Uncontrolled, vicious, mentally unstable, thoroughly diseased and narcissistic.

Damn!!!

Someone better "red flag law" fUSA.Gov ASAP.

 

[Glenn B]

I agree this is nothing about which to be concerned, it seems to me to be a headline grabbing moment by a Republican.

Think about it realistically. For example, if the IRS procured only 9mm ammo (which it probably is not limited to but this is just an example) at a price of, let's say, $10.00 per 50 round box it would work out to them purchasing 70,000 boxes of it. Divide that by the number of IRS agents (approximately 2,000 agents - source) and it works out to 35 boxes of ammo for each agent. My guess, based on my actual work experience, I had collateral duties as an agency firearms instructor for abut 16 years, is that they qualify quarterly, each agent will shoot not only qualifications but also tactical shooting and such each quarter. Many agents, not all, carry two handguns (or at least are issued a backup or authorized to carry a personally owned backup). So many qualify twice n one quarter. Let's guesstimate it is 50% with two carry handguns. That would be 100 rds. to qualify (I am guessing at number or rds but if someone actually knows - clue me in - in my agency it was 50 rds.) for an agent with two handguns. Then 50 rds. each for agents with one handgun. That would be 2,000 boxes of ammo for the two gun agents and 1,000 boxes for the one gun agents each quarter or 12,000 boxes for the year. There very likely also would be another 2 to 4 boxes of handgun ammo used at the range by each agent for tactical exercises each quarter. Let's work with 2 boxes each agent per quarter - that is 16,000 boxes per year. Hmm, we are at 28,000 boxes per year of just handgun ammo. While I limited the cost to only 9mm (to make my math easier early on) let's consider that probably at least 1/4 of the agents also qualify with long guns (shotgun and or rifle). The cost of the long gun ammo could now make the total to buy it all actually surpass what they actually spent.

Do you now think that maybe the purchase was just a normal yearly purchase of ammo or do you honestly really think it is some bold and crafty leftist evil scheme to make it impossible for us to buy ammo? Sure it could be a scheme but only if that $700,000 purchase was one of at least a few made by the IRS within one year. The thing is too many politicians on the right are just as full of shit as those on the left and take advantage of every and anything to try to show the other side as evildoers out to get the people they supposedly represent.

 

[96coal449]

I agree this is nothing about which to be concerned, it seems to me to be a headline grabbing moment by a Republican.

Think about it realistically. For example, if the IRS procured only 9mm ammo (which it probably is not limited to but this is just an example) at a price of, let's say, $10.00 per 50 round box it would work out to them purchasing 70,000 boxes of it. Divide that by the number of IRS agents (approximately 2,000 agents - source) and it works out to 35 boxes of ammo for each agent. My guess, based on my actual work experience, I had collateral duties as an agency firearms instructor for abut 16 years, is that they qualify quarterly, each agent will shoot not only qualifications but also tactical shooting and such each quarter. Many agents, not all, carry two handguns (or at least are issued a backup or authorized to carry a personally owned backup). So many qualify twice n one quarter. Let's guesstimate it is 50% with two carry handguns. That would be 100 rds. to qualify (I am guessing at number or rds but if someone actually knows - clue me in - in my agency it was 50 rds.) for an agent with two handguns. Then 50 rds. each for agents with one handgun. That would be 2,000 boxes of ammo for the two gun agents and 1,000 boxes for the one gun agents each quarter or 12,000 boxes for the year. There very likely also would be another 2 to 4 boxes of handgun ammo used at the range by each agent for tactical exercises each quarter. Let's work with 2 boxes each agent per quarter - that is 16,000 boxes per year. Hmm, we are at 28,000 boxes per year of just handgun ammo. While I limited the cost to only 9mm (to make my math easier early on) let's consider that probably at least 1/4 of the agents also qualify with long guns (shotgun and or rifle). The cost of the long gun ammo could now make the total to buy it all actually surpass what they actually spent.

Do you now think that maybe the purchase was just a normal yearly purchase of ammo or do you honestly really think it is some bold and crafty leftist evil scheme to make it impossible for us to buy ammo? Sure it could be a scheme but only if that $700,000 purchase was one of at least a few made by the IRS within one year. The thing is too many politicians on the right are just as full of shit as those on the left and take advantage of every and anything to try to show the other side as evildoers out to get the people they supposedly represent.

Why does a 3 letter alphabet org of corporate feds need to be armed?

Fearful of pissed off Americans with pitchforks, perhaps?

 

[Grimscale]

Why does a 3 letter alphabet org of corporate feds need to be armed?

This ^^^

If they have to serve a tax-evasion warrant, or just want to go poking around where they aren't wanted, they should be having to get local PD involved, preferably after convincing a local judge that it is ok to do so.
No more Fed rubber-stamping and jack-booted thugs.

 

[DoOver]

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

The IRS shouldn't have firearms any more than the FDA should have firearms. There's zero need for it. You have someone guilty of a taxation crime, investigate, arrest, and prosecute. There are plenty of armed agencies to handle the physical work.

 

[RooftopKorean]

At the end of the day, it's very obvious that the Biden fed government is attempting to arm every alphabet cock eating-shithead agency with firearms so when it comes time, they will have more armed bodies for their Gestapo.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

67000 or 87000 new armed agents authorized to carry. Might as well be the FBI

 

[Shadow2]

Democrats didn't arm the alphabet groups the Republicans did after 9/11. Patriot act needs

Ever since the formation of Homeland Security under Bush, every single government entity has created their own Special weapons teams, procured weapons and equipment, this also includes local PD's arming street officers with M4's and other tactical gear to include MRAP's and other retire equipment. Most here, I am sure, praised Bush and the the formation of Homeland Security, the Patriot Act...ect but not me. I saw this coming a mile off.

Well, it's here and there isn't much we can do about. I know it's a hard pill to swallow but we, the majority, voted for it. lol

Okay, mistake made, time to move on. The IRS has agents assigned to units that require firearms training and equipment. Every PD officer get a monthly amount of ammo issued for practice at most departments. For the IRS this amounts to about 50rds. Kind of low if you ask me. What bothers me more is that we need to come off as critical thinking, level headed citizens and not some easily trigger bunch of anti government nut jobs that make it on to CNN over training budgets. This article is a fine example of exposing that weakness. If it weren't for the critical mid-term elections, this isn't a story.

Once a better administration is put in and congress, hopefully republican (or libertarian..lol) is in power, we need to pressure them to pull back the funding and material dispersed to these bloated agencies. Local PD's as well. There needs to be a fundamental reset where the government, Fed, State and local, are out of their power trip. Only then will a the idea of a Constitutional Republic return. Today we have two generations of youth programmed that government is the soul power and issuer of rights. That is a tall mountain to climb.

100% correct post 9/11 the Patriot Act and DOHS are very much to blame .. and that was the Republicans ...

 

[2WheelGnnr]

I wonder who the IRS's FFL is in NY?? You know so they comply with our laws and all that..... cuz we gotta keep people safe......

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Here ya go guys

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