The reason "society" doesn't talk about this issue is because the overlap between one parent households and certain groups is too large. It is the very definition of a "politically incorrect" conversation. The welfare state was the beginning of the end for this country. The people pushing for it were well intentioned but the best you could say about them is they were naive. There were voices against the welfare state from the start and their warnings were ignored.
Is this really the fault of the Police???
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Marine Cpl
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And if you get to the root of why there are so many single parent households, it will all boil down to economics. No jobs for the uneducated. No jobs in factories like days of old when young black men worked in them. So to make a buck, they take to the streets and become arrested. You see this in all poor communities even trailer parks were the young men resort to selling drugs and guns.
The cycle continues when that young boy grows up. Years ago before crack when we had tons of factory jobs, blacks had more of a normal family setting.
Blimey
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Absolutely true. I know exactly why they don't talk about it.
An underlying cause of many of the ills in society from excessive welfare to political correctness is a pathological inability to understand the very basics of human psychology, which are taught in psych 101. We keep infantilizing people, so they keep acting like infants. All creatures work for a reward. Without a reward they do not work. The reward without needing the work also results in no work.
Blimey
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I disagree wholeheartedly. Cut all my fingers off and I can still count on one hand all the girls in my high school class who got pregnant. Being poor does not mean a 16 year has to go and sleep around without protection.
As for the economy the unemployment rate in February was 3.5%. If you're chronically unemployed in that environment something is wrong with you, it's not the economy.
Black single family households have risen in past decades, but they have for all races as well. This is not an economic issue but a societal one. It's even part of why we're all so fucking fat now. Society has just changed. We do not hold ourselves to any standards like we used to.
Modean
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The answer to that question can be seen on most any news program right now.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
How many years ago where you were in school? Also tell me how many factory jobs there were. I’m guessing there were a lot more than now. Now there are none. As a prime example, look at Detroit. Look at the crime rates post and prior factories.
As with everything, there are exceptions. Some families will never turn to a life of crime on crimes that shouldn’t even be crimes to make a buck but lots do but many do.
It’s only going to get worse when McDonald’s doesn’t have employees anymore. Slowly and slowly, unskilled labor is going away entirely and when it does, many more well turn into a life of crime for instant satisfaction in making a buck.
And corn sugar
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Economics Plays a big part, but so does cultural backgrounds.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Anyway, all this talking about crime and police is useless. At the end of the day, even if the police reading this were to agree on what is said here and even if politicians read this and agree on what is said here, nothing is going to change.
The police can instruct all their men to do X and not do Y anymore and it will still happen. The politicians will still encourage shipping of jobs oversees. Nothing will change.
A year from now, cars will be stopped and searched with loopholes provided by SCOTUS to find crimes that shouldn’t be crimes. Cops will have their egos when the citizenry doesn’t submit to their liking. Apple will open another plant in China or Mexico.
Nothing will change. It will only get worse. More unconstitutional laws will be passed and more will be enforced. This country is done. It’s over. Finito. It isn’t going to get better. It will be Europe in a few years. It was a good run while it lasted. Time for another country to step up.
There is entirely too much regulation to change and too much money to be made to change anything for the better.
The police can instruct all their men to do X and not do Y anymore and it will still happen. The politicians will still encourage shipping of jobs oversees. Nothing will change.
A year from now, cars will be stopped and searched with loopholes provided by SCOTUS to find crimes that shouldn’t be crimes. Cops will have their egos when the citizenry doesn’t submit to their liking. Apple will open another plant in China or Mexico.
Nothing will change. It will only get worse. More unconstitutional laws will be passed and more will be enforced. This country is done. It’s over. Finito. It isn’t going to get better. It will be Europe in a few years. It was a good run while it lasted. Time for another country to step up.
There is entirely too much regulation to change and too much money to be made to change anything for the better.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Agreed. Also, economics influences social backgrounds. That’s why you see well to do blacks not doing this shit and poor trailer trash doing this shit. Lots of single mothers in trailer parks.
One common factor that is the same in every country is that the poor commit crimes.
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Deplorable Me
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We're witnessing a world wide moral and social breakdown not just the US. The fall of the Roman Empire was small compared to the collapse were seeing now. Driven by greed, apathy and ignorance. The politicians they think they're the gods. Who'd of ever thought evolution would be like this? It's mass psychosis, but ultimately it's the moral failure of self discipline ACROSS THE BOARD. There are no virgins in the shit that is going down out there now. The moral high-ground has turned to quicksand for all.
Correct... And those that we elect will continue to pass more bullshit laws and spend our money poorly.
Groups of people will not change their behavior. Some different groups will continue to be scum bags and blame others for their attitudes and lawlessness. A rather large amount of people will continue to suck off the honest taxpayers of this land. So many will not conform to our civilized society.
We are in fact doomed, just not sure how long before we are completely ruined. This shit continues, that time will come sooner than later.
Unless groups of people change and the political elite cease their bullshit law passing, this is only going to get worse.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
But in February we literally had the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years.
And I still see no reason why a poor person has to get pregnant as a teenager. And that sets the teenage down an absolutely horrific path unless they have a strong family unit to help them. And if they had that unit odds are they wouldn't have been the kind of person to get pregnant as a teenager anyway. Poverty is no way excuses the rampant increase in single parent households. We are the wealthiest we've ever been, yet this is a modern phenomenon, across all races.
I absolutely agree with you re unskilled labor. I completely see a future of Wall-E with ever rising rates of unemployment, universal basic income, and we're basically being kept by robots with shrinking numbers of elite and intellectual workers actually running the show.
Curmudgeon
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You watch too much TV. They only highlight the divisive shit. Turn it off. Their opinions are not reflective of society.
Not trying to read your thoughts here, but this sounds a bit like the SS's "just following orders" defense.
It was "the police" that killed Floyd, Garner, Justine Damond and many others. That shouldn't be happening in those circumstances. I'm not black, so I don't understand what that's like, but I see this as a brutality thing, not a racist thing. "The Police" all get lumped into the same bucket by the media. See my "you watch too much TV" comment above.
Vapor
.308 Win
Honeslty, some people won't like this...
Some of our national issues come down to people throwing off personal responsibility.
"I want to send my kids off to school so I don't have to teach them anything, even though I'm ultimately responsible for raising them. I get upset when there's extended vacations becusse raising them inconveniences me. I can't focus on me, my happiness, my career, and my sex life."
As we see, the current social disease has been well helped by the left completely taking over the educational system, and a large section of society being content to let the state raise their children.
I'm sorry if this isn't on topic, but it upsets me greatly.
It's like the people who buy puppies, and then when their kids lose interest, dump them. Except you can't dump your kids, so keep them at school as much as possible. Then those children are raised on the State's moral...and we see how that plays out.
There are some however that do better. Single parents who really try to balance life as much as possible.
Some of our national issues come down to people throwing off personal responsibility.
"I want to send my kids off to school so I don't have to teach them anything, even though I'm ultimately responsible for raising them. I get upset when there's extended vacations becusse raising them inconveniences me. I can't focus on me, my happiness, my career, and my sex life."
As we see, the current social disease has been well helped by the left completely taking over the educational system, and a large section of society being content to let the state raise their children.
I'm sorry if this isn't on topic, but it upsets me greatly.
It's like the people who buy puppies, and then when their kids lose interest, dump them. Except you can't dump your kids, so keep them at school as much as possible. Then those children are raised on the State's moral...and we see how that plays out.
There are some however that do better. Single parents who really try to balance life as much as possible.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
They don’t have to get pregnant but unfortunately they do. It’s due to instant gratification. Poor suffer from that. They do not ever think of the future for the most part. Even in all white countries like Sweden and Russia, the poor commit crimes and there are more single mothers amongst the poor.
Sweden has an extremely low crime rate while Russia has a high one. Economics is the factor there. There are more poor in Russia than Sweden. And percentage to percentage based on population, Russia/ Ukraine has more single mothers if you were to divide the population ratios equally.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It's definitely related. It's also why police good, bad, non-existent, etc. are never going to make one damn lick of difference to the outcome of most people in failing communities.
BDinPutnam
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I keep trying to make this point with the wife and getting nowhere.
We dont have systemic race problems in this country, we have socioeconomic problems.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Roughly 15 somewhat years ago, I moved to Orange County from the city. I did a lot of online dating. I’m not a playboy or the prettiest guy out there. But what ended up happening is that I dated (If you want to call booty calls that) a lot of single mothers. Women that lived in trailer parks and converted basement apartments.
Many let me do anything. No condom. They didn’t seem to care. They were having fun because they weren’t working and locked up in the house all day. So Friday night comes along they want to have fun. They cannot leave the house and date normally because they have no babysitter. So when the kids go to bed, I came over.
Again. That’s what the poor do. These were poor white woman.
Many let me do anything. No condom. They didn’t seem to care. They were having fun because they weren’t working and locked up in the house all day. So Friday night comes along they want to have fun. They cannot leave the house and date normally because they have no babysitter. So when the kids go to bed, I came over.
Again. That’s what the poor do. These were poor white woman.
This is what's wrong with our judicial system
abcnews.go.com
I guess arson isn't a big deal anymore. I haven't looked it up lately but last I knew arson was a crime for which you could use deadly force to defend your property.
“One night of behavior is not a basis on which to reject somebody’s ability to make rational decisions," U.S. Magistrate Judge Steven Gold said.
What if they raped a woman? What if they molested a child? What if they shot someone not in self defense? Would those crimes be enough to keep them locked up? I think one nights behavior IS enough to determine someone's character when you do something this stupid.
Good cops are taking heat for the actions of a few and they have to deal with liberal judges allowing this scum back on the street to do more damage. I bet these two would've cried foul if they resisted arrest and got hurt after torching someone else's property.
2 Brooklyn attorneys granted bail in NYPD firebombing case
Two Brooklyn attorneys have been granted bail on federal charges in the firebombing of a New York City police vehicle amid demonstrations over the weekend triggered by the police killing of George Floyd in Minnesota
abcnews.go.com
I guess arson isn't a big deal anymore. I haven't looked it up lately but last I knew arson was a crime for which you could use deadly force to defend your property.
“One night of behavior is not a basis on which to reject somebody’s ability to make rational decisions," U.S. Magistrate Judge Steven Gold said.
What if they raped a woman? What if they molested a child? What if they shot someone not in self defense? Would those crimes be enough to keep them locked up? I think one nights behavior IS enough to determine someone's character when you do something this stupid.
Good cops are taking heat for the actions of a few and they have to deal with liberal judges allowing this scum back on the street to do more damage. I bet these two would've cried foul if they resisted arrest and got hurt after torching someone else's property.
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That seems to be the answer as do why we don't really need them.
The attitude of "well the politicians make the laws, complain to them" loses vigor when you keep blatantly murdering people and then try and defend it.
You just killed that man!
Well yeah, but he was making my job tough, and you say "killed" so harshly. I prefer the term "delivered to God."
You just killed that man!
Well yeah, but he was making my job tough, and you say "killed" so harshly. I prefer the term "delivered to God."
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
They weren't trying to rape a woman, just kill a few cops. And it was only that one time. They should get a pass. Maybe community service, spend a saturday cleaning up a park. Also, they were hurting from george floyd, so cut them a break.This is what's wrong with our judicial system
2 Brooklyn attorneys granted bail in NYPD firebombing case
Two Brooklyn attorneys have been granted bail on federal charges in the firebombing of a New York City police vehicle amid demonstrations over the weekend triggered by the police killing of George Floyd in Minnesota
I guess arson isn't a big deal anymore. I haven't looked it up lately but last I knew arson was a crime for which you could use deadly force to defend your property.
“One night of behavior is not a basis on which to reject somebody’s ability to make rational decisions," U.S. Magistrate Judge Steven Gold said.
What if they raped a woman? What if they molested a child? What if they shot someone not in self defense? Would those crimes be enough to keep them locked up? I think one nights behavior IS enough to determine someone's character when you do something this stupid.
Good cops are taking heat for the actions of a few and they have to deal with liberal judges allowing this scum back on the street to do more damage. I bet these two would've cried foul if they resisted arrest and got hurt after torching someone else's property.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No.
Robin
Robin
I think that was sarcasm.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No.
Robin
Robin
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I get it, your using the masks to get dates!! its all coming clear now.
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Toecutter
.308 Win
Yes , police are where the rubber meets the road , this is not a matter of one incident causing another it is a matter of millions of small ones over decades and people finally snapping .
This country is so vast with dense cities and wide open county they obviously cannot be policed the same. I dont have an answer but something has to change . A start would be treating even the lowest scumbag with respect, if he is guilty he will be fined punished jailed whatever . An example of this would be the state trooper that was filmed screaming at someone and treating him and his property like complete crap, these actions are not warranted and happens all day every day. Now petty little incidents will be filmed and go on the internet and piss off millions of people.
A month ago police where arresting people protesting over wanting to be able to go about their lives , to work . They were tackling and arresting people for not wearing a piece of paper on their face. Busting in business arresting fining pointing guns for people wanting to make a living. A few years ago NYPD was targeting neighborhoods and illegally searching people, do you really need a judge to tell you this isn’t right?
Do as you wish but when people have had enough you are now seeing the outcome. This is a small amount of people who are unorganized and not well armed. This is not a fight Police will win ,people are going to die . Cops , criminals , innocent and guilty. Do you really want this war in America?
No joke a local edp has already made threats to kill my 10 year old nephew because his parents are both police. He lives two blocks from them. He was arrested and released . They have a restraining order ,a paper thats supposed to stop some crazy away from them. This is why i speak out agaist bad policing not because i hate cops be cause i love them.
I want people to be able to live their lives peacefully without being harassed for petty crap.
This country is so vast with dense cities and wide open county they obviously cannot be policed the same. I dont have an answer but something has to change . A start would be treating even the lowest scumbag with respect, if he is guilty he will be fined punished jailed whatever . An example of this would be the state trooper that was filmed screaming at someone and treating him and his property like complete crap, these actions are not warranted and happens all day every day. Now petty little incidents will be filmed and go on the internet and piss off millions of people.
A month ago police where arresting people protesting over wanting to be able to go about their lives , to work . They were tackling and arresting people for not wearing a piece of paper on their face. Busting in business arresting fining pointing guns for people wanting to make a living. A few years ago NYPD was targeting neighborhoods and illegally searching people, do you really need a judge to tell you this isn’t right?
Do as you wish but when people have had enough you are now seeing the outcome. This is a small amount of people who are unorganized and not well armed. This is not a fight Police will win ,people are going to die . Cops , criminals , innocent and guilty. Do you really want this war in America?
No joke a local edp has already made threats to kill my 10 year old nephew because his parents are both police. He lives two blocks from them. He was arrested and released . They have a restraining order ,a paper thats supposed to stop some crazy away from them. This is why i speak out agaist bad policing not because i hate cops be cause i love them.
I want people to be able to live their lives peacefully without being harassed for petty crap.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Nothing can be done to stop a criminal before he commits a crime. There is no law possible to stop people from shitting on each other. There's no legal answer for this.