Israel: 'State of war' declared after thousands of rockets fired from Gaza Strip
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holdover
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Why Us? What do we gain from a war with Iran?
spat
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A stable middle east ?
They are the source of a lot of ball pain for us over the last few decades.
They are behind almost every militant Islamist group out there.
spat
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No, they don't. A country isn't a ship. You can't just sink it with a few missiles.
Iran has enough to do a lot of damage, sure, but not to destroy the country.
I don't think *we* have enough conventional missiles to actually destroy them.
It's essentially impossible to conquer or destroy a country without putting actual boots on the ground.
PutnamCharlie
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Either way Iran needs to be put in it's place. It was the stupidity of presidents like Obama giving them the money to make them think they could play with the big boys. Without that money they would be an impoverished nation without a pot to piss in. The majority of the middle east would rather have nothing to do with them because they don't help build up other countries they just bring them down. Saudi Arabia would like nothing more than to see them wiped off the map. They are and always will be a terrorist nation with nothing to contribute to the betterment of the area.
holdover
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You dont know what your talking about. And you dont understand how vulnerable Israel is or what the capability's of either side bring to the table, honestly, its like arguing with my mother .
holdover
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LOL , were the ones who destabilized it for Gods sake. what pain did they bring to the US ?
stokes
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Because they need a good ass kickin. They've been provoking everybody, us included for many years. Whether we belong there or not is irrelevant at this point, that should have been addressed back in the 50's, so here we are, like it or not, we are there. My big concern is gonna be Russia, we go at Iran and we end up in the shit with Russia
holdover
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They haven't really done shit to us. Not enough to start a war over thats for sure. Hell ,We assassinated their chief of staff a few years ago ,And we werent even at war with them. Hows that for provocation?
96coal449
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If I am correct, Iran is the only ME country that did not accept a US dollar backed by oil. All others sold oil for fiat currency with the end of the gold standard in 1971.
spat
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We killed him because he was killing US soldiers in Iraq.
That alone is enough to curb stomp them for.
spat
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Well, Iraq was going to start selling oil for Dinars in the early 90s. But that didn't last long.
spat
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How many terrorist groups are we supporting over there ?
It's not zero, but it's *a lot* less than Iran.
Houthis, Hezbollah, etc... They're all effectively irregular divisions of the Iranian military.
They're lobbing Iranian missiles at US warships for God's sake, we dropped the sun on Japan for not much more than that.
If you think Iran isn't *the* main obstacle to peace in the middle east today, you are the one who has no idea how things work over there.
holdover
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How many, off the top of my head , Al Quedia, Isis, isis K, Kurdish rebels , muslim brotherhood, the levant.
Im not saying they are innocent. but they havent done shit to our country.
spat
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We are currently supporting ISIS, ISIS K, Al Quedia, and the Muslim brotherhood ?
I'm talking about official government support, not subversive elements of the state department channeling them funds via the UN.
holdover
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you wouldn't know that would you? isis and isis K were backed by the US to over throw assad in syria as well as the kurds and the muslim brotherhood
holdover
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US "Partnership" with the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and its Effect on Civil Society and Human Rights - PubMed
Looking at Egypt before, during and after the Arab Spring, this paper examines the intersection of Christian Copts, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian army, moderate Muslims and secular groups. In turn, it examines the Obama administration's policies toward Egypt. It discloses the surprising...
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LONDON — In Kuwait, the Muslim Brotherhood is vocally pro-American.
In Iraq, the Brotherhood’s political party has steadfastly supported the American-backed political process and still forms part of the governing coalition.
And in Yemen, the Brotherhood-linked party is cooperating with some of America’s closest Arab allies in a war against a faction backed by Iran.
Trump Considers Them Terrorists, but Some Are Allies (Published 2019)
President Trump’s proposal to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist group risks upsetting American allies from Turkey to Indonesia.
The Syrian government and Iranian officials have accused Israel and the United States government of supporting ISIS by attacking Hezbollah and the Syrian Arab Army as well as arming and giving medical attention to the Islamic State. Israel has strenuously denied accusations of providing arms and medical support to Islamic State fighters.[1][2][3] However, Moshe Ya’alon, former defense minister of Israel, has stated that IS "apologized" for a clash in November 2016.
Collaboration with the Islamic State - Wikipedia
See arab spring, Libya Egypt, Tunisia Syria
oddly enough, none of them attacked Isreal or US forces. In fact Hezbollah fought against them in Syria .
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holdover
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Thats what I was refering to. destabilizing other country's. Like we did in Ukraine.
holdover
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So did Kaddafi ,
There's a reason we like saudia Arabia and a reason we hate Iran.
They are essentially the same places doing the same things. One supports our endless money printing the other chose not to participate.
Oddly all these conspiracies are starting to mean something today. I've really changed my global outlook on who are good guys and bad guys. It's not as clear cut as I used to think.
There's a reason we never went after the saudis for 9/11 we looked the other way and redirected elsewhere.
I think it's going down soon. Multiple countries issued travel advisories to leave Israel and not travel to Israel
stokes
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My wifes stupid boss is an Israeli/American. He was vacationing in France and decided to go to Israel today.may not make it back this time. Schmuck
Willyone
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Exactly, nothing is clear. Pretty much the whole world is in turmoil and all anyone can do is best guess who will begin the end.
96coal449
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IMhumbleHO, we should vacate all overseas operations.
We have much to worry about at home. Like the current invasion, and the occupation of the establishment.
One thing I like of the Marines. They hold their oaths to heart.
We have much to worry about at home. Like the current invasion, and the occupation of the establishment.
One thing I like of the Marines. They hold their oaths to heart.
spat
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Well, the Saudi government doesn't back 80% of the terrorists in the middle east, so there's that.
Too bad we don't have a Nobel Peace Prize winner, who was known for calming down the powder keg that is the middle east, as a potential President.
Wherever will we find someone who has the balls to tell the middle east to cut it the fuck out?
Iran is attacking back with waves of kamikaze drones and cruise missiles.
It's on
It's on
96coal449
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It'll cost another trillion or so.
holdover
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Boy, thats kinda weird .
spat
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We have 2 choices in November.
One who's response would be "quit fucking around before you find out", and the other who will say "how many train loads of cash will it take for you to calm down".
Which of those we choose will have a lot to say about the direction the entire world takes for the next decade or two.