Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
What if they go with some one else?
King Biden Says thou shall be charging stations every 50 miles on federal highways
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Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
then Im selling, I have my 'stop loss' in place
the only other publicly traded company is Charge Point Holdings, and they were down $1.04 yesterday. of course, everything was down yesterday
At the present time, anyone possessing and using critical thinking skills knows EVs are a pipe dream, until a foundation is laid upon which they can feasibly operate at the same level as today.
The present infrastructure for "real" cars and trucks is already in place - it was built over almost 200 years.
The "infrastructure" EVs will need to perform the amount of transport of people and goods equivalent to what is now in use with gas/diesel vehicles, does not exist...not even remotely.
That foundation or, "infrastructure", for a majority or complete EV transportation system, does not exist in any form close to what is needed.
This article from WSJ is by someone who took a complete EV trip from New Orleans to CHiraq, and back. It's a complete screen shot.
archive.ph - "I Rented an Electric Car for a Four-Day Road Trip. I Spent More Time Charging It Than I Did Sleeping."
Just a new "Shiny Thing" for the citizens of Clusterfuck Nation to mind-freeze on.
Maybe Zhou Bia-Den (AKA Obola's 3rd term) plan for boo-coo charging stations will be breaking ground soonest!!
No one believes that, unless they're delusional, and most people here are not.
It is
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
LOL, still I think this is a spectacular idea, I can't wait for a Kenworth, weighing in at 80K pounds, having to stop every 100 miles to recharge, LOL
you think there are supply chain issues now, LOL
you think there are supply chain issues now, LOL
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
They will be exempt of course so Biden can stay in office.
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
All EV cars aren’t going to work. The plug in hybrids would be a better option for most of us. Ford has one that the first 27 miles is EV( depending on usage). Enough for a lot of commutes to charge at home and/or work and still have the range of a gasoline car for longer trips
spat
.950 JDJ
We're looking at getting an EV.
Not as a primary vehicle of course, and with the primary intention to charge it almost exclusively at home.
Dropping the reliance in gas would be a major benefit to our self sufficiency.
With your very positive situation regarding solar as a source of electricity it would be a great shopping and around town car, assuming it gets the mileage you need.
Up here, as you know, the sun doesn't shine that much.
I still think that the most intelligent plan is to burn petroleum now with investment in mitigating any environmental impact with a view to constructing a fair number of safe nuclear power plants.
As that electrical power comes on line, start developing the infrastructure in accessing, mining, and smelting and refining all the components needed to first upgrade the grid and then slowly bring in full electric cars, trucks and construction equipment.
Powering mining equipment like that below isn't going to go electric for quite a while - the battery technology just isn't there.
Trying to go "full electric" by 2030 on the backs of the Average Joe is not only impossible, it's a scam, and reeks of communism.
spat
.950 JDJ
Actually a lot of the really big mining equipment is already electric.
Not battery electric, big ass extension cord electric.
Like basicslly trailing a 13.8kv extension cord.
I think that *is* an electric shovel in your pic.
P&H 2300XPC AC electric rope shovel | Komatsu
P&H 2300XPC electric rope shovel combines the functionality of a high-performance rope shovel with the practicality of a smaller machine. Designed to operate in high production mines, this proven series of shovels are ideal for coal, copper, iron ore and gold mines around the world.
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Here's it's big brother. Moves 88 cuyd in one bucket, runs on a 4 mega watt transformer.
P&H 4100XPC AC mining electric rope shovel | Komatsu
Powerful cutting force, maximum load capacity and low-cost-per-ton loading — the P&H 4100XPC AC electric rope shovel is engineered to deliver all three, with a unique twin-leg handle design and the latest in rope shovel dipper technology.
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The truck it's loading OTOH isn't going electric for a while.
Why are you people taking anything that demented old dimwit says seriously? No one else does. He's a lame duck, won't get anything done at all.
Holy crap!!
Learn something new every day.
Those things are huge - the bigger model weighs over 3 million lbs!!!
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
Jmac
.357 mag
How 'bout we install a 48 volt DC system of rails on every road in the country, just like that slot car track you had as a kid. Then we could make every vehicle electric. In the process, all the roads and bridges would get fixed simply out of necessity. Of course, we would have to build about 500 gigantic new nuclear power plants, and since Hillary sold all our uranium, we would have to buy fuel rods from Russia, but they're good guys and would be happy to help. We could just print the money. Ink and paper are easy to get. And everyone would be happy.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
but where is that extension cord getting the electric from .. // coal , nuke , windmill , solar , diesel .. ?
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
spat
.950 JDJ
I have seen proposals for wireless charging coils installed in roads. Would work like wireless charging for your phone but scaled up.
The last time I went to fill my gastank, or the missus went to the grocery store, tells me you are wrong, that he's already done quite a bit.
so, yeah, I do tend to listen, even a little bit, to this demented old dimwit, if only to try to be ready for the next ass-raping our illegitimate government is going to do to us.
I remember the studies that showed people subject to intense electromagnetic fields were more likely to get cancer.
What happens when you are spending hours of every day driving over them?
Cancer from exposure to electromagnetic radiation you say ? Hmmm......More profits for Big Pharma means more donations to the re-election campaign !
but where is that extension cord getting the electric from .. // coal , nuke , windmill , solar , diesel .. ?
Silly, from the wall outlets.
Even the demonrats know this.
spat
.950 JDJ
I think the high intensity 60hz EM radiation we are all exposed to nearly 24/7 by the power grid eclipses any other form of non ionizing radiation.
99cummins
.308 Win
I don’t see that happening. Many roads are in terrible shape around here and it’s hard enough to get them patched much less fixed properly. What happens when a giant pothole develops on one of the charging coils? Or the frost heaves one? Given the lack of road maintenance around here I can’t see adding an electronic component that will be reliable.
spat
.950 JDJ
It would presumably just be on interstates.
It would facilitate electric tractor trailers.
The wear and tear on the road is the least of the problems though.
We don't have a grid or a generation capacity supply it, or a grid that could handle it.
Before all this pie in the sky EV nation stuff comes to fruition (and we will get there eventually) we need to massively upgrade the grid.
Like 3 or 4 times it's current capacity.
And we will need generation capacity to match.
They need to install all the wind and solar they can produce, *and* build nuke plants as fast as they can.
And probably build a bunch more natural gas plants too for stability. The gas plants can throttle faster than most other sources, and you can keep them idle most of the time to reduce fossil fuel use, but you need them online to stabilize the grid from all the instability the wind and solar introduce.
Yet the studies showed that living within a certain range of a high tension line, or a power station, leads to higher risk of cancer.
spat
.950 JDJ
Shows correlation not causation.
Since residential areas near high voltage power lines tend to also be near heavy industry the correlation doesn't surprise me.
And even if the EM radiation from the lines does cause it, that still means the risk from these minor sources is just a drop in the bucket.
Ultimately, life causes cancer. The *only* way to avoid dying from cancer is to die from something else first. Manage your risks wisely.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
You answered your question with your last statement
The tax credits are not easy to defend, as they tend to lower the cost of expensive vehicles to more affluent people. Tesla leveraged them for years, but now that they are gone demand for heir product continues to be high. As I am a degenerate purchaser of cars I'm fairly familiar with the market and right now EVs are in acute demand. You're looking at 6-8 months (quote from yesterday I overheard at a dealership) on a new nissan leaf. A rav4 prime you're looking at 6-12 months. A hybrid rav4 2-6 months. I've heard 12 months on a hybrid sienna.
Truly more people need to consider these. Our PHEV gets me about 20 miles. I just filled it up yesterday for the first time in over a month. But back in January I did 1000 miles in a day because it has a gas engine. Rav4 Prime is probably the best PHEV I can think of right now. After rebates it's about $40k for the top of the line model but that's got 40 miles electric, 300 horsepower, AWD, can tow a trailer. About to put a deposit on one and hoping to snag before Toyota hits their 200k limit and no longer qualifies for the full $7500 federal rebate. This car also gets $500 back from new york.
I really believe every household should have at least one EV or hyper fuel efficient car. Priuses have been out forever. They are absolute shit to drive but their operating costs are laughably small. Hyper reliable and 50 mpg on 87.
There's a truly weird comment above about how "EVs are a pipe dream". Strange. I have one in the garage right now. $5 (price of a gallon of gas) gets me enough electricity to drive 130 miles. Not a pipe dream; math.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
He’s saying it’s a pipe dream to turn the nation to plug in only EV country. There is no infrastructure for the nation to do it. A plug in EV can’t go the distances many Americans have to do on a regular basis without a long wait at some charging station ( even if there is no line to use that station ).You answered your question with your last statement
The tax credits are not easy to defend, as they tend to lower the cost of expensive vehicles to more affluent people. Tesla leveraged them for years, but now that they are gone demand for heir product continues to be high. As I am a degenerate purchaser of cars I'm fairly familiar with the market and right now EVs are in acute demand. You're looking at 6-8 months (quote from yesterday I overheard at a dealership) on a new nissan leaf. A rav4 prime you're looking at 6-12 months. A hybrid rav4 2-6 months. I've heard 12 months on a hybrid sienna.
Truly more people need to consider these. Our PHEV gets me about 20 miles. I just filled it up yesterday for the first time in over a month. But back in January I did 1000 miles in a day because it has a gas engine. Rav4 Prime is probably the best PHEV I can think of right now. After rebates it's about $40k for the top of the line model but that's got 40 miles electric, 300 horsepower, AWD, can tow a trailer. About to put a deposit on one and hoping to snag before Toyota hits their 200k limit and no longer qualifies for the full $7500 federal rebate. This car also gets $500 back from new york.
I really believe every household should have at least one EV or hyper fuel efficient car. Priuses have been out forever. They are absolute shit to drive but their operating costs are laughably small. Hyper reliable and 50 mpg on 87.
There's a truly weird comment above about how "EVs are a pipe dream". Strange. I have one in the garage right now. $5 (price of a gallon of gas) gets me enough electricity to drive 130 miles. Not a pipe dream; math.
For my family’s needs, I could use an plug in only EV if I also had a gasoline car as well.
A lot of my friends commute to NYC and park in Manhattan. Mass transit isn’t a real option because of the hours they work and what they do . Unless charging stations are at every parking meter, EVs aren’t an option. A lot of people are in that position .
How about those apartment dwellers in the cities who have to use street parking ? There will never be enough charging stations because of the amount of time it takes to charge one of these cars.
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TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
Under $10k?!?! You probably can't get a 200,000 mile civic for under $10k anymore.