Lawsuit against NYC and NYPD License Division

[RooftopKorean]

Well, I guess there's no turning back now. I'm involved in a multiparty lawsuit against the city for the delays with issuance on both permits and purchase authorization. If my lawyer gives me the OK, I will share further details.

Mirel gave me the go ahead to link the file for the Lawsuit, happy reading.

Dropbox

 

[Celt]

Good they deserve it. I wish you luck

 

[Koz]

....but NY is open for business!

 

[Dr. Evil]

Unleash the kraken.

 

[kev74]

Thank you, congratulations and good luck!

 

[Depick]

It Sucks this is what you have to do. Best of luck!

 

[togmaster]

Don't worry. Cuomo will fix everything when he becomes mayor.

 

[Doc8404]

Good luck.
Mayor Cuomo will support you!

 

[Saltwater60]

Good for you and you got balls man. I’m glad you’re putting out the efforts to accomplish something. I hope it goes well.

 

[GOPerfect]

Well, I guess there's no turning back now. I'm involved in a multiparty lawsuit against the city for the delays with issuance on both permits and purchase authorization. If my lawyer gives me the OK, I will share further details.

I wish the suit and the victims the best of luck. Looking forward to updates when possible.

 

[Acer-m14]

best of luck , will be watching here

 

[RooftopKorean]

Added the paperwork from the Lawsuit to the initial post.

Mirel said it was served today and the city has until March 24th to respond.

 

[libertysnake]

Hope they go to jail for denying the rights of legal owners. Someone should do the same with anyone who had to wait over a month for a license. Meaning most of NYS.

 

[RooftopKorean]

Hope they go to jail for denying the rights of legal owners. Someone should do the same with anyone who had to wait over a month for a license. Meaning most of NYS.

No one's going to jail and I doubt any significant changes will be made.

The sheer fact that you must report any gun you purchase with the make/model/caliber/serial number to the License Division is insane. It could, and probably is used to build a gun registry which violates federal law - Brady Act, subsection 103(i) by way of NICS information and the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986. It also violates gun owners Fifth Amendment rights of the Constitution.

 

[libertysnake]

No one's going to jail and I doubt any significant changes will be made. The sheer fact that you must report any gun you purchase with the make/model/caliber/serial number to the License Division is insane. It could, and probably is used to build a gun registry which violates federal law - Brady Act, subsection 103(i).

Thankfully afaik they haven't gotten to that point with rifles yet, but even then with the semi-auto license it's moving in that direction. Recertification and even individual licensing is unlawful, cumbersome, and a denial of rights.

Even requiring someone have a license at all, given the time it takes to get one, is grossly unlawful -- even if the license was just a license to purchase in general and not an approval on a specific handgun.

 

[Old Jalopy]

Thankfully afaik they haven't gotten to that point with rifles yet, but even then with the semi-auto license it's moving in that direction. Recertification and even individual licensing is unlawful, cumbersome, and a denial of rights.

Even requiring someone have a license at all, given the time it takes to get one, is grossly unlawful -- even if the license was just a license to purchase in general and not an approval on a specific handgun.

Recert for semi rifles won't be enforceable unless the law is amended. Too many people already owned semi-auto rifles that aren't required to go get this permit.

 

[Saltwater60]

Recert for semi rifles won't be enforceable unless the law is amended. Too many people already owned semi-auto rifles that aren't required to go get this permit.

It’s on the pistol permit recertification if you have the semi auto rifle amendment.

In fact I think they will try to make semi auto rifles illegal in this state and then they will use that as a way to gain access to your home with a warrant and all hell will brake loose.

 

[Old Jalopy]

It’s on the pistol permit recertification if you have the semi auto rifle amendment.

In fact I think they will try to make semi auto rifles illegal in this state and then they will use that as a way to gain access to your home with a warrant and all hell will brake loose.

Like VT is trying to do. We'll, gas operated semi-auto is on the bill over there. If they succeed you can bet NY will follow. So, here we are, with more empty promises of defending our gun rights from Trump. This whole country is becoming unrecognizable and turning into exactly what the founders were fleeing from, tyranny and oppression.

 

[Celt]

More Gun Owners Take NYPD to Court Over Concealed Carry License Delays

Nine New Yorkers who applied for firearms permits—argue that the NYPD routinely slow-walks approvals, refuses to issue required purchase authorizations in a timely manner, and only acts when forced by legal action...

www.ammoland.com

 

[ManualF150]

As many say it including myself... a right delayed is a right denied.

These permits need to go. They aren't stopping anything but costing us all money.

 

[RooftopKorean]

As many say it including myself... a right delayed is a right denied.

These permits need to go. They aren't stopping anything but costing us all money.

We all know it's just a money generator.

 

[ManualF150]

We all know it's just a money generator.

Yep, just like the stupid congestion pricing.

In fact, it relates directly to it. Especially with the new ammo and gun tax.

 

[FP1201]

More Gun Owners Take NYPD to Court Over Concealed Carry License Delays

Nine New Yorkers who applied for firearms permits—argue that the NYPD routinely slow-walks approvals, refuses to issue required purchase authorizations in a timely manner, and only acts when forced by legal action...

www.ammoland.com

I overheard a call from a Licensee from NYC that's had the processing of a new purchase held up for almost two months for no disclosed reason other than One PP doesn't give a fuck about doing or getting their job done, just keeping legitimate people from having guns...He was referred to an Attorney that specializes in Firearms cases...I'd like to know what becomes of it.

 

[RooftopKorean]

I overheard a call from a Licensee from NYC that's had the processing of a new purchase held up for almost two months for no disclosed reason other than One PP doesn't give a fuck about doing or getting their job done, just keeping legitimate people from having guns...He was referred to an Attorney that specializes in Firearms cases...I'd like to know what becomes of it.

My most recent purchase of a PSA Dagger Compact frame i got off GB took over a month to get my purchase authorization for.

It's actually mentioned in the law suit. I caught them in a lie and took a picture of the post mark on the envelope which was submitted as evidence.

 

[FP1201]

My most recent purchase of a PSA Dagger Compact frame i got off GB took over a month to get my purchase authorization for.

It's actually mentioned in the law suit. I caught them in a lie and took a picture of the post mark on the envelope which was submitted as evidence.

There was a question if a Class Action lawsuit could be filed...no idea on that. Everyone there has a boss somewhere; finding and giving them shit about the employee(s) you're dissatisfied isn't being Karen/Ken it's about accountability...problem is once satisfied, most don't care to take it any farther and their fellow man suffers the same as they did.

 

[spat]

We all know it's just a money generator.

No, the money generation is a secondary effect.

The main purpose is to discourage legal gun ownership.

They don't really care about the pittance they bring in in fees. That's petty cash for them.

 

[spat]

There was a question if a Class Action lawsuit could be filed...no idea on that. Everyone there has a boss somewhere; finding and giving them shit about the employee(s) you're dissatisfied isn't being Karen/Ken it's about accountability...problem is once satisfied, most don't care to take it any farther and their fellow man suffers the same as they did.

Need serious punitive damages.

Once that happens the flood gates will open.

Ambulance chasers will find people who never wanted a gun in their life and get them to file suit for the payday.

That would be fantastic.

 

[Saltwater60]

We all know it's just a money generator.

I think it’s more than that. It’s meant to keep people from applying for a permit. I can think of 5 people in my family that the process and cost has prevented them from going to get their permits. That’s just in my immediate family so it is working. Now with the 18-hour course it’s even worse. I paid for my son to do it so it wasn’t a barrier for him to get his permit but not everyone can do that.

 

[Aether]

Submitted my application on 8/23/2022. Appointment for prints and interview at 1PP on 6/5/23 (”interview” consisted of filling out paper copy of already electronically application). Permit issued and mailed to my home address in January 2024.

I found the NYPD to be very accommodating. They originally had me scheduled for prints/interview in March of 2023, I was unable to travel to NYC in March due to my work schedule. I called and they let me pick the date for prints/interview. Total time spent at 1PP was approximately 2 hours.

 

[1075tech]

Submitted my application on 8/23/2022. Appointment for prints and interview at 1PP on 6/5/23 (”interview” consisted of filling out paper copy of already electronically application). Permit issued and mailed to my home address in January 2024.

I found the NYPD to be very accommodating. They originally had me scheduled for prints/interview in March of 2023, I was unable to travel to NYC in March due to my work schedule. I called and they let me pick the date for prints/interview. Total time spent at 1PP was approximately 2 hours.

Almost a year and a half to get a permission slip from the overlords and that's "accommodating".

The process is the punishment. The whole thing is designed to deny a right