Because SteyrAug mentioned that he was going to have his mags fixed. So it would be beneficial for him to know that they are selling them with epoxy. He mentioned tools but no epoxy. So that's why it was brought up again for someone on this forum to benefit from knowing they are being sold that way by dealers. There were NONE there with just the mag lock and no epoxy.
Legality of "Featureless Rifles" in NYS
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
But if he reads the whole thread, then he can see that tools have nothing to do with anything if they don't have that iwritten in the law like they do in California's law.
But that's his decision to make and not an FFL's.
But that's his decision to make and not an FFL's.
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spat
.700 Nitro Express
The word Epoxy is written exactly how many times in SAFE ?
Bottom line is that the way the law is written, either *everything* is illegal, or a plain jane BB is good to go. No where in there is there anything about how hard it has to be to undo. People are basically making stuff up out of whole cloth in the hopes that they wont get harassed.
It's like what would happen if we eliminated posted speed limits, and just ticketed for "reckless driving". Some people would drive 20mph everywhere, because there are some officers that would ticket for 50 on the thruway because they were in a bad mood.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It isn't. We've been thorough this before. If you don't remember, you can go back a few pages or read the other thread. In case you don't remember, type the word "ABILITY" in the search.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
You can say that as often as you want. It doesn't become correct from repetition. Just a question though, how much epoxy was specified in the "ability to accept" ?It isn't. We've been thorough this before. If you don't remember, you can go back a few pages or read the other thread. In case you don't remember, type the word "ABILITY" in the search.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
None. I already already said that. None or 20 drops of epoxy is the same. Read California's law. That one specially says what's allowed and strikes the word "Ability" from the original law.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
So, we're back to exactly what I just said, either they're all illegal or none them.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
my Evil rifle told me it identify's as a BB gun with rainbow colors so its not bothered with the un-safe act ..
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yes. That's what I've been saying for 20 pages. It's written poorly . Did you forget?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
We agree up to the point where you get to "all or nothing", you are just the only one who thinks it takes the "all are illegal" fork though. Obviously most people in the state (including NYSP and many FFLs) don't.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Even you know about FFL's and the police so don't give me that angle.
Read California's law then read ours and tell me that ours is written correctly.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You just cannot believe that the law says what it says. Why? You don't think it's possible to write a law wrong? Look at Penal Law 400. That law only allows you to carry concealed because it too is written poorly yet people do so anyway because how else are they to hunt or compete in matches? The police say it's okay too because it is stupid to go hunting with a 44 Magnum in an ankle holster.
That's my point. It's written poorly and because it is, it isn't enforced.
That's my point. It's written poorly and because it is, it isn't enforced.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Oh, they're *ALL* poorly written in NY. Most of them should be tossed on that basis alone. This thread itself is proof that they do not give the public reasonable notice of what is prohibited and what isn't.
The defacto version of the SAFE act is to ban rifles that are too "military ish". With that definition left up to the arresting officer and DA's whim. It is essentially another version of the "sporting purpose" test that allows the government to ban anything it wants with a "we know it when we see it" definition.
Accepting your assertion, there are only 2 logical conclusions, you take your chances, or you get rid of *at least* every semi auto rifle you own.
Think of it this way, if they required a license amd registration for any greenhouse gas emissions, then said "we'll only prosecute bad guys for breathing without a license, trust us", what would you do ?
Slacker43
.40 S&W
I stopped the other thread with this so I figured it was worth a try here. Due to my profession everything I own has the ability to be what I want it to. It doesn't make it so. None of our opinions mean anything in this. If you are pulled over with a MSR in any configuration you will most likely be arrested. Cops don't know the law. Even if you get it sorted and whatever you have is legal, I may still me arrested in another part of the state. The big picture here is this was made to fuck us. Pretty sure this was accomplished just by reading this thread.Lucky for me right now my AR has a place to sleep in PA and my favorite guns right now are over/under' s for clays.
If this didn't work at stopping this nonsense enjoy your argument.
I thought that was a new fancy big Mac maker for a minute.
Slacker43
.40 S&W
The same technology will be used in the new fancy big Mac maker!
It just keeps getting more and more silly.
Okay all you paranoid guys, lets see a list of arrests and convictions of people who own full feature ARs with magazines fixed with the product I showed, epoxied in place or the locked magazine lowers sold by DD's ranch and others. Stop straying off into "what if" boolsheit and provide FACTS !
Good luck finding ANY !
Okay all you paranoid guys, lets see a list of arrests and convictions of people who own full feature ARs with magazines fixed with the product I showed, epoxied in place or the locked magazine lowers sold by DD's ranch and others. Stop straying off into "what if" boolsheit and provide FACTS !
Good luck finding ANY !
I was talking with DD's on Saturday and all of theirs are epoxied. There hasn't been any arrests
GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
How many arrests were there for non compliant firearms prior to the safe act? I never saw or heard of any.
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
This thread is still going?
Notice how the law didn't state:
"A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT IS DESIGNED TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
MAGAZINE".
That is really what they really wanted to pass into law. Think about it. So, this is why they wrote it as "HAS THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT". Except they can't legally ban the concept of detachable magazines, and they know it.
FUAC!
Notice how the law didn't state:
"A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT IS DESIGNED TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
MAGAZINE".
That is really what they really wanted to pass into law. Think about it. So, this is why they wrote it as "HAS THE ABILITY TO ACCEPT". Except they can't legally ban the concept of detachable magazines, and they know it.
FUAC!
freddy
.308 Win
I can assure you that not ALL of the DDs mag locks are epoxied. Epoxy precludes clearing double feeds reliably.
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
Yes, the paranoia.
Just like the paranoia of the anti-gun crowd that would be triggered by the mere sight of a loaded magazine. In some parts of the country, just possessing a magazine, and only a magazine, is enough to get you arrested. As if you can hurt anyone with it, without a rifle, yet you will be thrown in jail.
That's possible but they didn't have any out at the show that weren't epoxied.
I am a black helo door gunner, or at least used to be before I retired.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
This is one of those parts of the country if someone can squeeze an 11th round into that magazine....
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Not every semi about. Just the ones with fixed magazines. You can have featureless according to the poorly written law.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Depends on what you consider a bayonet mount, or a pistol grip. Both of which are as clearly defined as detachable magazine....
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
But they don't say a semi automatic rifle that has the ability to accept those features. We've been through this before.
Uzi
.308 Win
You can have your featureless rifle just as much as one can have a fixed rifle right now.