LEO should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians.

[RooftopKorean]

We’re trying, but the courts keep putting us off. Bruen didn’t really help us much here in NYS, so far. If the citizens rise up to take back their rights, do yo7 think the State would allow that? I would love to see the police (local, county, state) do what they did recently in NM and publicly state that they will not enforce the CCIA.

This I agree with whole hardheartedly. Most NYers don't fight for their rights at all; they pay lip service to Liberty while they engage in compliance rather than defiance. I've said it in the past, NY officials must get quite a chuckle over how much NY gun owners bitch while rolling over every time a new dictat come down from on high. Any NYer who doensn't understand why some in the law enforcement community have no respect for the Second Amendment rights ought to take a look in the mirror. Asshole Cuomo probably had dinner parties where they toasted their success in whipping the curs in this state with UnSafe.

Furthermore, NYers simply cannot think outside the box, nor can many of the 2A organizations that file lawsuits against the tyranny in this state.

NY cops having super powers that the regular citizens do not have with regard to what, where, when, and how they Keep & Bear is an eminently exploitable legal route by which to challenge most of the 2A bullshit in this state. At a MINIMUM (!) what police and military forces are allowed in terms of "infantry" weaponry is AT LEAST what every man and woman in this nation ought to be allowed for the sake of organized and unorganized militia that they are supposed to be, and obviously for their own means of self-defense upon which the entire Right is based on in the first place.

Rather than a bunch of NYers studying the laws and organizing and hiring lawyers to bring suits based on clear Equal Protection & Due Process claims like I'm alluding to here, its just another bitch session about "poor little ole me who can't have what the freaking cops got." /pout

NYers prove time and time again that LOVE & NEED approval from NY politicos before they will exercise their RKBA. Clear evidence is the lawsuits their gun rights groups file, claiming how they MUST be allowed a NY permit to carry. WTF? To hell with permits!

If Whorechul said NYers could have a PERMIT to own whatever they wanted if they would just line up in Albany to "service her needs," there would be a line of lemmings that would stretch all the way to freaking Buffalo.

Anyone who wants to cry in their beer about what I just wrote, take a guess about how impressed I am with NYers who freaking boo hoo hoo about their gun rights.

If NYers took a hard line in the stand and refused to comply in a very open way, the retards who think they run this retarded state wouldn't know whether to shit themselves or go blind.

And maybe the cops might have a reason to respect the People they are supposed to be serving. The good ones at least.

Defy tyranny you bastards, or slink back to cry in your Bud Light and STFU already!

Except you are forgetting one huge factor, we aren't independently wealthy to combat the state in a court room that has the entire state budget behind them. Not to mention the legion of corrupt liberal judges on ever level.

If I was independently wealthy I'd gladly hire a legal team to go after every instance of a 2A violation, alas I am a middle class NYer barely making a meager living and getting taxed into oblivion.

Are you really this naive in making a comment like this?

 

[Rocpo]

Not naive at all.

Being independently wealthy is irrelevant. It's not your responsibility to fight for everyone's rights. It's a responsibility of all of us to do so.

The problem lies with the organizations involved that take our money and piss on us when we ask for their assistance in pushing back.

 

[Jem45472]

Not naive at all.

Being independently wealthy is irrelevant. It's not your responsibility to fight for everyone's rights. It's a responsibility of all of us to do so.

The problem lies with the organizations involved that take our money and piss on us when we ask for their assistance in pushing back.

Cough, nra, cough.

 

[dwa12479]

The long and short is that the answer isnt more restrictions for one group, its less for everyone.


The OPs statement starts off wrong.


Should group A have their rights more restricted like the slaves in group B?

A. No
B. Yes
C. I like tyranny, give me more please
D. All citizens should have the same rights.


The answer is D, and there isnt a LEO on this forum that would disagree (except those lurking who arent registered).

100% spot on.

 

[dwa12479]

As long as we're on the subject... anyone know what happened to @Airborneguy?

 

[GOPerfect]

As long as we're on the subject... anyone know what happened to @Airborneguy?

I speak with him from time to time.

He is doing well. Living the semi retired life. He is happy and living the best he can.

 

[Jem45472]

I speak with him from time to time.

He is doing well. Living the semi retired life. He is happy and living the best he can.

Doesn't visit because of these threads lol.

 

[GOPerfect]

Doesn't visit because of these threads lol.

Only one of the reasons.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I speak with him from time to time.

He is doing well. Living the semi retired life. He is happy and living the best he can.

Good, glad to hear. I feel bad he left this site he seems like a good guy.

 

[RooftopKorean]

I like @Airborneguy and the rest of our LEOs here contrary to my post. It was just more of my curiosity on people's stances.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Quick story about the Deputies. I think this may be very much the same across the Nation.

As you know, I closed on the house and took a trip down 2 weekends ago. Second day there, a County Sheriff Deputy pulled up the driveway. I went out and greeted him, he asked if I bought the place, asked me for my ID. Did a quick look and handed it back to me. Welcomed me to the neighborhood and asked when we were moving permanently, I gave him the basic details of our plans and he told me that he would make sure to do a couple checks on the property until we moved down.

He took down my phone number and told me that if there were any issues, he would give me a call. I do not see that with State Police.

Totally random question, did the local deputy know you are relocating soon to be retired LEO, or was he just being neighborly trying to see who was moving in?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I like @Airborneguy and the rest of our LEOs here contrary to my post. It was just more of my curiosity on people's stances.

You didn't step out of line. It's a fair question to raise.

 

[GOPerfect]

Totally random question, did the local deputy know you are relocating soon to be retired LEO, or was he just being neighborly trying to see who was moving in?

When he first pulled in, he had no idea at all. Took all of about ten minutes of talking when he asked me if I was retired? I asked what he meant, and he said, you're on the job, right? I told him my background and he said he had a feeling.

 

[GOPerfect]

I like @Airborneguy and the rest of our LEOs here contrary to my post. It was just more of my curiosity on people's stances.

Perfectly good, great, conversation to have.,

 

[FP1201]

Cough, nra, cough.

bullshit!
It was the NRA that funded 2.2 Million Dollars towards the NYSRPA Lawsuit.
NY doesn't have enough members in both combined to make that kind of coin, and that $25 a year membership damn sure isn't insuring our Rights and having a hell of a time slowing let alone stopping the Downstate Democrat/Socialist movement.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I miss @Airborneguy. He is a good guy and I often agreed with him wholeheartedly. @GOPerfect, please say hello to him from me.

 

[GOPerfect]

I miss @Airborneguy. He is a good guy and I often agreed with him wholeheartedly. @GOPerfect, please say hello to him from me.

Will do

 

[Acer-m14]

well now occupation is needed for a ammo background check ..

 

[RedBreast21]

The founders of this great country and world experiment of self rule, outlined the rights of its citizens clearly and without any distinction of titles, wealth or status. Men elected, decided who are and who are not restricted in those rights. Those selected by those men, the elites, to preserve the their power, do so willingly with full knowledge of the restricted freedoms that they themselves are not bound to but yet proudly take an oath to uphold and defend the rights of the citizen.

Go figure.

 

[Rocpo]

bullshit!
It was the NRA that funded 2.2 Million Dollars towards the NYSRPA Lawsuit.
NY doesn't have enough members in both combined to make that kind of coin, and that $25 a year membership damn sure isn't insuring our Rights and having a hell of a time slowing let alone stopping the Downstate Democrat/Socialist movement.

Maybe if they'd sell off some of Wayne's Wardrobe it could go towards their official mission statement.

 

[Acer-m14]

Maybe if they'd sell off some of Wayne's Wardrobe it could go towards their official mission statement.

i wonder how much the NRA spent on

National Firearms Act of 1934

GCA 1968


The NRA supported the NFA along with the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), which together created a system to federally license gun dealers and established restrictions on particular categories and classes of firearms.

 

[Truebeliever]

I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before. I was just thinking today that LEO in NYS should be subject to the same restrictions as civilians when it comes to gun ownerships.

I wonder if it would change things for us in terms of increased support to our cause and more push back on unconstitutional legislation?

Similarly in the way that FUDDS will now have to really decide if they are going to be staunch 2A supporters or continue to take it up the ass and sit idly by while the 2A is eroded away.

Do you really think that would work huh? Did it work in NJ? The officers there have the same purchase restrictions. The legislature does not care about officers . They throw cops under the bus all the time .

 

[Acer-m14]

14th .. we should all be equal under the law ..

no one is special

 

[Acer-m14]

Do you really think that would work huh? Did it work in NJ? The officers there have the same purchase restrictions. The legislature does not care about officers . They throw cops under the bus all the time .

that is NJ ..

 

[Truebeliever]

that is NJ ..

It is . Do you think it helps you if they did the same in NY? They will screw over cops and retired cops to get what they want .
Go see what happened to retired NY peace officers in the CCIA law. Retired peace officers are not exempt from restricted areas

Retired Police officers have to take the firearms safety course for the recertification of their carry permits like anyone else who lives downstate unless they do the requalification yearly under LEOSA. A federal law.

Do you think it helps you? Do you think Albany gives a damn about cops with the exception of the state police maybe. And they were exempt from the normal permit process when they retired anyway — a different process than all other retired LE of the state

 

[GOPerfect]

It is . Do you think it helps you if they did the same in NY? They will screw over cops and retired cops to get what they want .
Go see what happened to retired NY peace officers in the CCIA law. Retired peace officers are not exempt from restricted areas

Retired Police officers have to take the firearms safety course for the recertification of their carry permits like anyone else who lives downstate unless they do the requalification yearly under LEOSA. A federal law.

Do you think it helps you? Do you think Albany gives a damn about cops with the exception of the state police maybe. And they were exempt from the normal permit process when they retired anyway — a different process than all other retired LE of the state

So, you think it is okay that they made these rules and laws to allow all in LE, to include retired to have more "Rights" than the citizens of the State?

 

[dsdmmat]

It is . Do you think it helps you if they did the same in NY? They will screw over cops and retired cops to get what they want .
Go see what happened to retired NY peace officers in the CCIA law. Retired peace officers are not exempt from restricted areas

Retired Police officers have to take the firearms safety course for the recertification of their carry permits like anyone else who lives downstate unless they do the requalification yearly under LEOSA. A federal law.

Do you think it helps you? Do you think Albany gives a damn about cops with the exception of the state police maybe. And they were exempt from the normal permit process when they retired anyway — a different process than all other retired LE of the state

Remember it is not the current gun owners who added those restrictions. When the legislature screws everyone equally It helps to bring more disgruntled people together into the fight to get rid of the restrictions. Anytime you can bring in more votes to take care of wrongs it is good for the people and bad for the dictators.

 

[RooftopKorean]

Remember it is not the current gun owners who added those restrictions. When the legislature screws everyone equally It helps to bring more disgruntled people together into the fight to get rid of the restrictions. Anytime you can bring in more votes to take care of wrongs it is good for the people and bad for the dictators.

This is what I was trying to convey with my post.

 

[Truebeliever]

So, you think it is okay that they made these rules and laws to allow all in LE, to include retired to have more "Rights" than the citizens of the State?

I think most LE jumped through more hoops to get what has been granted by these lawmakers . Do you I agree with their restrictions? Hell no but don’t advocate take away from me because they screwed you. They will just screw us both.
Why do they give LE and retired LE more leeway on these things ? Some of it is an idea that’s it’s okay for police and retired police to have a gun in their minds as opposed to regular people . It’s their misconception. It’s also why security guards can carry but they don’t get it that a business owner or just a regular person is their own security gusrd
The other reason is no one would become a police officer/peace officer if they knew they would be disarmed when they retire
Another reason is that police and peace officer gun handling was much more regulated than someone with permit before CCIA. The type, caliber of the gun and how it’s carried is covered by department regulations. Some departments are leant , others are strict . Some departments only allow the officer to carry one specific gun, on or off duty . Others could carry whatever they wanted. Some defined what holster and where on the body they could carry .
The law gave active police officers more rights for practical reasons . Imagine if a police officer legally couldn’t hand their gun to their partner -like CCW technically can’t just let another CCW hold someone’s gun except at a range or specific location. The job couldn’t get done . Purchase of firearms — very difficult to go thru the normal process for police departments like the NYPD who hire 3000 people at a pop and they have to buy their guns ( backup guns are still privately bought ). There are practical reasons to these exemptions in the criminal law and they leave it up to their departments.
Unlike most here , I have an opportunity to jump thru more of the required hoops . I have to requalify every year . I had to get more initial formal training than most here as in training hours in addition to that yearly requalification . This isn’t saying I’m better . It’s saying I have more hoops to jump thru.
And yes, federal law lets me go more places because the lack of national reciprocity. And CCIA has a retired cop exemption for something we did for twenty plus years — full carry . It doesn’t mean we agree with CCIA restrictions.
But the quick answer is yeah , I don’t think they should take something I did everyday for over twenty years for no reason.

 

[Truebeliever]

Remember it is not the current gun owners who added those restrictions. When the legislature screws everyone equally It helps to bring more disgruntled people together into the fight to get rid of the restrictions. Anytime you can bring in more votes to take care of wrongs it is good for the people and bad for the dictators.

Not really . They don’t care in this case.
Who stopped national reciprocity? We had enough votes in one session in congress to overcome the anti -gun groups . It was a small minority of pro gun that killed it because they didn’t want the federal government involved in anyway . But we all suffer now.
Before SAFE and CCIA, were you fighting to over turn NYC gun laws ? They still can only have 5 round magazines for long guns . To a NYC gun owner , SAFE and CCIA is that shared pain you talk about . That’s what this take away from LE is like .