Exonautic
.308 Win
Opinion | The myth of the "good guy with a gun," debunked by a veteran
make sure you read the bit about who he is at the end.
make sure you read the bit about who he is at the end.
makes me scratch my head.
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Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It's right you know. When trouble starts you just need to curl up in a ball and hope the bad guy decides it's your day to live. I'd rather have one untrained good guy with a gun than 20 unarmed would be victims waiting for their fate.
Exonautic
.308 Win
anytime i see the term genderqueer i question whether or not that person can take a stance on that opinion and stick with it if they cant do the same with their gender.
Cureforcancer
.223 Rem
Charles Clymer is a genderqueer....
Yea well. Mentally ill folks should not own guns or serve in the military. FU and your service Charles.
The real myth is that military (and I'd wager LE as well) get all this super high speed training that allows them to do what a private citizen supposedly cannot.
I know first hand that this is not true.
Unless you are SF or an 11 bang bang (infantry) or the equivalent your military small arms training is likely to be no more than bi annual qualification. In the Army that is a 20 round course of fire. So thats 40 rounds annually. I do thousands annually as a civilian. I got more high speed small arms training in one day with @OnSight Firearms Training than I did in 6 years of service as an artilleryman.
I know first hand that this is not true.
Unless you are SF or an 11 bang bang (infantry) or the equivalent your military small arms training is likely to be no more than bi annual qualification. In the Army that is a 20 round course of fire. So thats 40 rounds annually. I do thousands annually as a civilian. I got more high speed small arms training in one day with @OnSight Firearms Training than I did in 6 years of service as an artilleryman.
"soldiers and law enforcement officers receive thousands of hours of training in firearms and tactics."
2,000/24= ~84
9 weeks basic * 7 days / 84= ~133%
So 133% of your time in basic training, not counting any of that BS like sleeping or eating, is spent learning the simplest rifle platform in the world?
I think that's, as they say, "an exaggeration."
Appeal to authority.
This is about as valuable as someone that just took their first CPR class giving a dissertation on neurosurgery.
2,000/24= ~84
9 weeks basic * 7 days / 84= ~133%
So 133% of your time in basic training, not counting any of that BS like sleeping or eating, is spent learning the simplest rifle platform in the world?
I think that's, as they say, "an exaggeration."
Appeal to authority.
This is about as valuable as someone that just took their first CPR class giving a dissertation on neurosurgery.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Genderbender .. your SSN please we want to verify your vet status ... just because you went in .. its how you got out that counts ..
Most likely got discharged for requesting to many manpons .. section 8
Most likely got discharged for requesting to many manpons .. section 8
I enjoyed how he equated boot camp to everyday reality. Of course they are going to be disarmed in boot camp. That doesn't mean that's the reality when your armed on the front line.
Cavalry
.338 Win Mag
Given its been awhile since I served and was a different combat arms MOS, but sleeping with rubber guns at night? Huh? We had the real deal, with you at all times minus chow. Sure, in basic you are pretty much striped searched for brass and ammo, but after that it was nothing more than a chamber check. I always had full mags in my pouches, no one gave a fuck.
To throw another wrench in his mis-logic, since I have received "thousands of hours of training" shouldn't I be authorized to be the "good guy with a gun" and freely roam wherever I choose armed how I see fit?
To throw another wrench in his mis-logic, since I have received "thousands of hours of training" shouldn't I be authorized to be the "good guy with a gun" and freely roam wherever I choose armed how I see fit?
Rifle qual in the army is based on 30 rounds, plus zeroing. So 60 rounds for every qual, 120 per year. The 30 zero is average, so more, some less. But your point is valid.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Well, that was a waste of time.
Robin
Robin
Now that I think about it more, when I was in it was 40 rounds total over two mags. I definitely remember the mags were not loaded fully. When on range detail I specifically recall charging each mag with two stripper clips. And at the pop up range I believe the course of fire was 20 from prone and 20 supported on sand bags from a fox hole. I think it was 36/40 or better got you expert? Its been some years now. Still, in the units I was in qualification was once a year with an unrecorded practice run done around six months prior to that.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
All that matters is that whoever has a firearm on them is responsible for the actions they perform with it. Period.
What people forget is that firearms are the source of our freedom — our willful governance we choose to submit to. It’s all about choice. Without the choice, we’re slaves to the force of the state, in addition to not being able to protect ourselves.
Better to live as a free man in a more dangerous world than a slave in prison.
What people forget is that firearms are the source of our freedom — our willful governance we choose to submit to. It’s all about choice. Without the choice, we’re slaves to the force of the state, in addition to not being able to protect ourselves.
Better to live as a free man in a more dangerous world than a slave in prison.