Dr. Evil
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For those who may need it. I wonder if they will include this vaccine.
Mandatory vaccine for NY (anyone confirm?)
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Well, that, she the absurd amount of frivolous lawsuits the *woke* anti Vax nutters try.
I've yet to hear any sort of reasoned argument against vaccination for things like MMR.
Scary sounding ingredient lists provided by those that flunked high school chemistry included.
That's irrelevant though. The issue at had is not vaccines. It's bodily autonomy. Violation of that is immoral.
gun_slinger_boy
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@Darth is an anti vaxer someone that refuses to take vaccines or someone that tries to convince others not to take vaccines and or tries to impede others from doing so?
Both.
One that is against vaccines for themselves or others for idiotic reasons.
I leave the state. Final straw, not worth staying.
gun_slinger_boy
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So is someone that just wants bodily autonomy as you put it an anti vaxer? I think many on here either feel they simply don't need certain vaccines or don't trust big pharma with these things. Just trying to understand what an anti vaxer is exactly.
No?
I actually belive the exact opposite?
Bodily autonomy is controlling what gets done with your own body, including what goes in to it and what doesn't.
You can fully support bodily autonomy and not be against vaccination. That's my stance.
Do whatever you want with your body, including not putting vaccines in it for stupid reasons.
The problem crops up with forced vaccination. Even if you feel the vaccine is a good thing, you have no right to force that upon others.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
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Even if the death rate from this was much higher, and a vaccine very effective, the government should only be able to 'strongly encourage' people to get it. It is more about control than public health/safety.
I wouldn't even have a problem with our elected representatives taking the time to pass a resolution acknowledging severity of the virus, successful vaccine trials, and urging the public to get it for their own health and well-being - but NO enforcement measures or discrimination against you if you choose not to(ie: put on a list, not put on a list, barcoded, carrying 'papers', or any other form of being identified based on that choice).
I would have more trust in government if they took this approach. They could try to build awareness and promote better health instead of issuing EO's, mandates, or passing meaningless laws.
I wouldn't even have a problem with our elected representatives taking the time to pass a resolution acknowledging severity of the virus, successful vaccine trials, and urging the public to get it for their own health and well-being - but NO enforcement measures or discrimination against you if you choose not to(ie: put on a list, not put on a list, barcoded, carrying 'papers', or any other form of being identified based on that choice).
I would have more trust in government if they took this approach. They could try to build awareness and promote better health instead of issuing EO's, mandates, or passing meaningless laws.
spat
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It's like the seatbelt law.
I wear a seatbelt because it makes sense to do so.
But it chaps my ass that I can be fined if I don’t.
I think vaccines are one of the greatest achievements of modern medicine. That doesn’t mean I think every vaccine on the market is worthwhile for everyone
Dr. Evil
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Pro choicer here. I go over things about sitting, standing and sleeping with patients so they don't screw up their body when not in the office. There are shoes, like Birkenstock's, that are really bad for your body. Patient's will sometimes say, "Oh, you don't like these shoes." I tell them it isn't what I like or don't like. It comes down to how it impacts the body. Similar to vaccines. It isn't a question about being pro or anti vaccine IMHO. It comes down to how they impact the body and the aspect of natural vs artificial immunity. I believe the following things:
1. Government shouldn't force me to put something in my body that I don't agree with especially since they hold vaccine manufacturers free from liability and have a federal fund set up to compensate some vaccine injured folk.
2. I am not fearful of chicken pox, measles, mumps, the flu, etc..
3. I have more faith in doing what I do for health compared to a synthetic man made drug.
4. I don't trust big pharma or government, for good reason.
5. Our society as a whole is pathetically not well which is the underlying issue when it comes to becoming vulnerable to most disease.
YMMV.
edit: just posted this in another thread. How COVID-19 Vaccine Can Destroy Your Immune System
Too bad the government doesn't mandate zinc, vitamin C, vitamin D3, healthy food, exercise, etc. instead. Oh wait, no money to be made...
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Deplorable Me
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"Scary sounding ingredient lists."
Check.
Check.
Vaccine Ingredients
The claims made about the dangerous chemicals in vaccines are all either false or misrepresented.
skeptoid.com
Your scary list is different than mine...Boo!"Scary sounding ingredient lists."
Check.
Vaccine Ingredients
The claims made about the dangerous chemicals in vaccines are all either false or misrepresented.skeptoid.com
For the most part it's not. The stragglers can easily be investigated just as easily.