Mark Polencarz is using the military police to enforce his driving ban

[John Stark]

3 and a half feet of snow? Pfft.

Its a decent amount of snow in a couple of days, but its no where near a real blizzard. The Oswego area got 11 freaking feet of snow in 2007 in 4 days, and they had the roads and streets clear inside of a week and most people had their driveways clear before that. Obviously a much smaller town, but like most towns in those days they had ample staffing (plow drivers) and outside help. Redfield got 18 feet from the same storm!

WTF is 3 and a half feet of snow in NY?

There are signs all over the state begging for plow truck drivers, state, county, and local. I see the signs everyday. There is a very serious shortage truck drivers, and every company is begging for drivers. Compared to what commercial drivers can make now in the private sector, almost no driver is interested in working for either the state or local barns. The pay for plowing roads days, nights, weekends, holidays, etc. is freaking terrible given the time commitment and responsibility. NY doesn't have enough plow drivers, and that situation is only going to get worse.

Buffalo voted for Gov Whorechul. You reap what you sow.

 

[FP1201]

I've been driving in blizzards for 30 years. Never once had a problem.
I've even gone out in blizzards to help others. something the police and military apparently decided not to do this year.
in many cases people have no choice but to go out in blizzards. Not all businesses shut down, not all have the ability to have fully stocked larders.

Come February I'll have been here 35 years and have driven Ambulance, Plow Trucks, Wreckers, 4x4, 4x2, and even little shit-box cars ALL in weather that most people have no business out in (fact is most shouldn't be on the road period, but I digress) and in all that time I been off the road twice: once was in a van that was literally pushed off into the snow banks by gale force winds (was able to back out) and the second time in a BMW AWD and an animal ran out in front of me while pushing snow with the bumper on a road less traveled.
Having actual Driving Skills, Training, and thousands of hours in the seat learns you a thing or too...Yea, I've been the one to get your Grandma out of the House and to the Hospital when you wouldn't even go outside to shovel a path.
Panic kills: Be it in the Water, Flying a Plane, driving a vehicle, or even wandering around in the woods, so if you haven't the fortitude and intelligence, then stay the fuck in the house!

 

[Jmac00]

I just talked to my buddy in Tennessee, he said his BIL is on his way there and the thruway is open, its the city that FUBAR?

 

[Jmac00]

Come February I'll have been here 35 years and have driven Ambulance, Plow Trucks, Wreckers, 4x4, 4x2, and even little shit-box cars ALL in weather that most people have no business out in (fact is most shouldn't be on the road period, but I digress) and in all that time I been off the road twice: once was in a van that was literally pushed off into the snow banks by gale force winds (was able to back out) and the second time in a BMW AWD and an animal ran out in front of me while pushing snow with the bumper on a road less traveled.
Having actual Driving Skills, Training, and thousands of hours in the seat learns you a thing or too...Yea, I've been the one to get your Grandma out of the House and to the Hospital when you wouldn't even go outside to shovel a path.
Panic kills: Be it in the Water, Flying a Plane, driving a vehicle, or even wandering around in the woods, so if you haven't the fortitude and intelligence, then stay the fuck in the house!

as an overall strategy, PANIC RARELY WORKS

 

[dwa12479]

I just talked to my buddy in Tennessee, he said his BIL is on his way there and the thruway is open, its the city that FUBAR?

Yes, 90 is open. Its just the city of Buffalo right now thats shut down still.

The biggest issue in the city limits is the on-street parking. You need the cars moved to plow, and you need to plow to move the cars....

 

[Truebeliever]

Ok, fine. Go out in the blizzard and take your chances. Just don’t call emergency services when you realize you effed up. How many are dead because they made that choice? Lots of Darwin awards being earned.

Oh, wish it was that simple . That broken down car on the road keeps it from being plowed .
Irony is that while everyone is forced to stay home, the police, EMS , fire etc still have travel and risk it.

 

[repete]

Yes, 90 is open. Its just the city of Buffalo right now thats shut down still.

The biggest issue in the city limits is the on-street parking. You need the cars moved to plow, and you need to plow to move the cars....

Snow plows can move cars, no problem.

 

[GOPerfect]

I thought it was illegal to use the military for police actions???

Muddy water. Muddy on how they can and cannot be used. The laws have been stretched so many times; muddy waters

 

[GOPerfect]

3 and a half feet of snow? Pfft.

Its a decent amount of snow in a couple of days, but its no where near a real blizzard. The Oswego area got 11 freaking feet of snow in 2007 in 4 days, and they had the roads and streets clear inside of a week and most people had their driveways clear before that. Obviously a much smaller town, but like most towns in those days they had ample staffing (plow drivers) and outside help. Redfield got 18 feet from the same storm!

WTF is 3 and a half feet of snow in NY?

There are signs all over the state begging for plow truck drivers, state, county, and local. I see the signs everyday. There is a very serious shortage truck drivers, and every company is begging for drivers. Compared to what commercial drivers can make now in the private sector, almost no driver is interested in working for either the state or local barns. The pay for plowing roads days, nights, weekends, holidays, etc. is freaking terrible given the time commitment and responsibility. NY doesn't have enough plow drivers, and that situation is only going to get worse.

Buffalo voted for Gov Whorechul. You reap what you sow.

The depth of the snow is not a blizzard is categorized.

 

[GOPerfect]

Oh, wish it was that simple . That broken down car on the road keeps it from being plowed .
Irony is that while everyone is forced to stay home, the police, EMS , fire etc still have travel and risk it.

Hundreds of different occupations need to risk driving in this type driving condition.

 

[Keyzard]

Counter-argument.

This storm previously fucked up other areas of the country before getting to NY. We knew it was going to be really really bad before it hit. We had days notice. It was dubbed "the storm of the century" before it hit.

Maybe people should have gone hmmmm... planned ahead, got prepared, and stayed the fuck home.

I didn't call for rescue. Want to know why? I have weeks of "normal" food at home. I was prepared with a generator, multiple propane tanks, 50+ gallons of gasoline, a kerosene heater backup and 10+ gallons of fuel for it, a well maintained snowblower, lots of proper winter clothing (surplus arctic military gear) both in my car and at home, etc. I also stayed home so I wasn't out there getting myself into a known bad situation. I was well enough to prepared to legitimately go out and grill on Friday evening in wind and all of the storm, I went to bed without a worry of what the storm would throw my way because I was ready for it.

Most people that got in trouble with this storm did it to themselves. They made a series of reckless decisions that culminated in their situation. Most people out there that ended up in trouble were not essential workers like police, etc.

I was talking to my wife about this over the weekend. We both were about 10yo for the Blizzard of '77 and remember it pretty well. I recall being stuck in our house for more than a week. My family lived on Leonard Street in Buffalo at the time. My father was stuck in his office at the then Marine Midland Tower for about 5 days.

We had less accurate meteorology, no one had 4 wheel drive (I would hazard most had rear wheel at that time), and yet the death toll was lower than this past weekend. The wife and I came to the conclusion that its because people were more self sufficient back then.

No one expected the government to fix everything for them. My mother canned stuff from our garden and stored it in the basement. We always had the "french toast trinity" on hand. Both the family cars had winter kits in them (something I still do to this day and have passed on to my kids).

The current generation is kind of a disappointment to this curmudgeon.......

 

[Saltwater60]

I was talking to my wife about this over the weekend. We both were about 10yo for the Blizzard of '77 and remember it pretty well. I recall being stuck in our house for more than a week. My family lived on Leonard Street in Buffalo at the time. My father was stuck in his office at the then Marine Midland Tower for about 5 days.

We had less accurate meteorology, no one had 4 wheel drive (I would hazard most had rear wheel at that time), and yet the death toll was lower than this past weekend. The wife and I came to the conclusion that its because people were more self sufficient back then.

No one expected the government to fix everything for them. My mother canned stuff from our garden and stored it in the basement. We always had the "french toast trinity" on hand. Both the family cars had winter kits in them (something I still do to this day and have passed on to my kids).

The current generation is kind of a disappointment to this curmudgeon.......

I heard it many times here and in person that people weren’t worried about the storm because it wasn’t going to be as bad as they said. My motto is they are never right and it’s either way better or way worse, I’d say the last two were worse. I hope for the best and prepare for the worst. I have most everything I need but I did buy more gas, fill up a propane tank, and get longer propane tank lines. I needed none of it except the gas for the snowblower but I’d have loved no matter what.
I think people don’t listen to the news anymore because they are on their phones and in their own little world. People are stupid these days and didn’t listen. I have that ring app and many people were out driving around, looking for beer and smokes, or ran out of supplies within 24 hours.
There were people in the ring app asking for rescue numbers to call. One guy was stuck in his car asking how to be rescued. I told him no one was coming because they stopped all emergency services and he still had gas to keep warm. People are clueless these days because they relay on others and phones too much. It’s amazing.

 

[tony]

3 and a half feet of snow? Pfft.

WTF is 3 and a half feet of snow in NY?


Business as usual...

 

[Truebeliever]

Hundreds of different occupations need to risk driving in this type driving condition.

Yep. And the irony is how the close the roads but require them to come in.

 

[GOPerfect]

Someday, I would love to see a real and complete list of those professions and occupations the elected class thinks is essential.

No one can seem to give and entire list.

Example, is a babysitter an essential worker?

Debate....

 

[Truebeliever]

Someday, I would love to see a real and complete list of those professions and occupations the elected class thinks is essential.

No one can seem to give and entire list.

Example, is a babysitter an essential worker?

Debate....

Don’t even …. Enough people would say yes-lol
Be glad they don’t attempt to make a list. Someone important would be kept off .
Ask yourself . Who was the last person arrested for ignoring such. I know it has happened but I can’t remember when.
Usually they just close the highway . I remember that story of the prison worker who died driving home when they closed the highway.

 

[GOPerfect]

Don’t even …. Enough people would say yes-lol
Be glad they don’t attempt to make a list. Someone important would be kept off .
Ask yourself . Who was the last person arrested for ignoring such. I know it has happened but I can’t remember when.
Usually they just close the highway . I remember that story of the prison worker who died driving home when they closed the highway.

The baby sitter one....

Say a Cop is a single parents, three small kids at home. Needs to get to work to relieve others that have been stuck for days. That officer cannot get in unless he has a sitter. Seems like that sitter is essential.

My point is simple, nearly all professions are just as important and essential as the next. We tend to do this segregation hard in the US. Trying to pit one person against the other. Happens all of the time.

BTW, two were arrested in the Buffalo area in the past couple of days due to the driving ban. Not sure what the charges were, one of them was out driving, got stopped and told to turn around and go home. Same driver was caught by the same officer and they arrested him. More violations,

 

[Truebeliever]

The baby sitter one....

Say a Cop is a single parents, three small kids at home. Needs to get to work to relieve others that have been stuck for days. That officer cannot get in unless he has a sitter. Seems like that sitter is essential.

My point is simple, nearly all professions are just as important and essential as the next. We tend to do this segregation hard in the US. Trying to pit one person against the other. Happens all of the time.

BTW, two were arrested in the Buffalo area in the past couple of days due to the driving ban. Not sure what the charges were, one of them was out driving, got stopped and told to turn around and go home. Same driver was caught by the same officer and they arrested him. More violations,

That one with the cop and the babysitter doesn’t fly. They have to travel BEFORE the roads close. Trust me. I have seen this example many times.
The essential worker is if they don’t show and aren’t there during the event people die like the nurse or doctor who doesn’t show up, the power line guy who can’t keep the power on. The secondary people like the babysitter can be pre-planned

 

[GOPerfect]

That one with the cop and the babysitter doesn’t fly. They have to travel BEFORE the roads close. Trust me. I have seen this example many times.
The essential worker is if they don’t show and aren’t there during the event people die like the nurse or doctor who doesn’t show up, the power line guy who can’t keep the power on. The secondary people like the babysitter can be pre-planned

So, the officer that needs to go in, stays home? So, the storm here hit friday around 10am. Officer is on a day off, knows here needs to go in Sunday, Xmas day to relieve other officers. The babysitter knows all the days and times she needs to be there. Driving ban is set on Friday around dinner. If she does not sit for the officer, he cannot go in. Maybe instead of officer, we will put a Doctor instead.

This is why the segregation of people cannot work. Far too many jobs are really essential. Most just do not want to admit what is essential.

 

[FP1201]

I heard it many times here and in person that people weren’t worried about the storm because it wasn’t going to be as bad as they said. My motto is they are never right and it’s either way better or way worse, I’d say the last two were worse. I hope for the best and prepare for the worst. I have most everything I need but I did buy more gas, fill up a propane tank, and get longer propane tank lines. I needed none of it except the gas for the snowblower but I’d have loved no matter what.
I think people don’t listen to the news anymore because they are on their phones and in their own little world. People are stupid these days and didn’t listen. I have that ring app and many people were out driving around, looking for beer and smokes, or ran out of supplies within 24 hours.
There were people in the ring app asking for rescue numbers to call. One guy was stuck in his car asking how to be rescued. I told him no one was coming because they stopped all emergency services and he still had gas to keep warm. People are clueless these days because they relay on others and phones too much. It’s amazing.

We trained people to "call 9-1-1" when anything goes wrong (gubberment dependence)
I have to laugh at the people who cry out "CALL 911! CALL911!" well why the fuck don't YOU call 911? Better yet, take care of it yourself!

 

[Truebeliever]

So, the officer that needs to go in, stays home? So, the storm here hit friday around 10am. Officer is on a day off, knows here needs to go in Sunday, Xmas day to relieve other officers. The babysitter knows all the days and times she needs to be there. Driving ban is set on Friday around dinner. If she does not sit for the officer, he cannot go in. Maybe instead of officer, we will put a Doctor instead.

This is why the segregation of people cannot work. Far too many jobs are really essential. Most just do not want to admit what is essential.

Welcome to police work. The officer goes drops off their kid BEFORE the storm . This is the part many don’t understand.
And if they still can’t do it, they request a day off and pay the consequences.

A better example would be a babysitter for a nurse

 

[99cummins]

We trained people to "call 9-1-1" when anything goes wrong (gubberment dependence)
I have to laugh at the people who cry out "CALL 911! CALL911!" well why the fuck don't YOU call 911? Better yet, take care of it yourself!

Anyone who has worked in 911 services in any way is very aware of the bullshit that people call 911 for during “normal” times. Our half wit society has been conditioned to call 911 and someone will come fix this or tell me what to do to fix it. So people expect that same service during the worst of times. Basically…someone will always bail me out. The other side of that is the minority of people that legitimately need 911 services and wait much too long to call 911 for help and sometimes it’s too late to help them.

 

[FP1201]

Anyone who has worked in 911 services in any way is very aware of the bullshit that people call 911 for during “normal” times. Our half wit society has been conditioned to call 911 and someone will come fix this or tell me what to do to fix it. So people expect that same service during the worst of times. Basically…someone will always bail me out. The other side of that is the minority of people that legitimately need 911 services and wait much too long to call 911 for help and sometimes it’s too late to help them.

EXACTLY!

 

[Saltwater60]

Now he says he was misinterpreted or misquoted and the Mp and national guard is only there to assist people. Seem like his statements were pretty clear to me and maybe people got pissed or he was advised it was illegal.

 

[Bruce_Sloane]

What about" essential workers" ??
Fukk him anyways
I do not " Drive" not " Operate,"
I have Farm Plates anyways
Good for up to 250 miles from the Farm.

 

[Bruce_Sloane]

My former neighbors called 9-11 for me washing my Dog.

 

[Bruce_Sloane]

E="SonOfSun, post: 1190356, member: 5406"]
Counter-argument.

This storm previously fucked up other areas of the country before getting to NY. We knew it was going to be really really bad before it hit. We had days notice. It was dubbed "the storm of the century" before it hit.

Maybe people should have gone hmmmm... planned ahead, got prepared, and stayed the fuck home.

I didn't call for rescue. Want to know why? I have weeks of "normal" food at home. I was prepared with a generator, multiple propane tanks, 50+ gallons of gasoline, a kerosene heater backup and 10+ gallons of fuel for it, a well maintained snowblower, lots of proper winter clothing (surplus arctic military gear) both in my car and at home, etc. I also stayed home so I wasn't out there getting myself into a known bad situation. I was well enough to prepared to legitimately go out and grill on Friday evening in wind and all of the storm, I went to bed without a worry of what the storm would throw my way because I was ready for it.

Most people that got in trouble with this storm did it to themselves. They made a series of reckless decisions that culminated in their situation. Most people out there that ended up in trouble were not essential workers like police, etc.
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Exactly.

 

[Bruce_Sloane]

Snow plows can move cars, no problem.

Seen it first hand.

 

[Cavalry]

What about" essential workers" ??
Fukk him anyways
I do not " Drive" not " Operate,"
I have Farm Plates anyways
Good for up to 250 miles from the Farm.

Good job resurrecting this zombie for no particular reason.

If you indeed have farm plates then you should learn how to use them, you are a wee smidge past how far you can travel on them.

 

[Bruce_Sloane]

This Post showed up in my Feed
I have no control over this. ,
Take 3 Zombie shots and chill bro

Or
Better yet
Investigate why I get these notices fukkface