Maryland Police Officer Suspended For Displaying ‘Oath Keepers’ Hat In Cruiser

[holdover]

put a hat like that in your cruiser while on duty and your Bosses will be getting some calls and heat, The bosses don't like heat and normally just have to sacrifice some poor hard working patrol man to take the heat off them. pretty simple concept, Stay off the radar, Keep your head Low,

What a crock of bullshit that is, answer the question Sir.

Please explain how displaying an oath keepers hat has nothing to do with keeping his oath.

there is NOTHING political about keeping your oath . Please explain how this is political?

Most supervisory officers support he constitution and oath keepers. where are you coming from?

Ive taken my oath 3 times , you really think I should be ashamed of it, and hide the fact that I believe in the constitution? Is that what your telling me?


You want people to swear allegiance to a leader instead of the law? like the NAZIS did?

 

[Celt]

Gotta be honest, this is really no different to me than the NFL players kneeling for the anthem. When you're anemployee you're bound by a set of guidelines you have to abide by.


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I would agree with this, but OK is not affiliated with any political party. But i do understand where your coming from with this.

 

[Airborneguy]

Oathkeepers the organization goes quite a bit beyond simply keeping one's oath. There is certainly a political fringe element to their politics. I am not a member for that reason.

 

[holdover]

would you say its a political organization?

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders, who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to “defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” That oath, mandated by Article VI of the Constitution itself, is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and Oath Keepers declare that they will not obey unconstitutional orders, such as orders to disarm the American people, to conduct warrantless searches, or to detain Americans as “enemy combatants” in violation of their ancient right to jury trial.

Oath Keepers come in all colors, shapes, sizes, ages, and backgrounds with one common bond – the oath to defend the Constitution. If you take your oath seriously, and believe in defending the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic, and of whatever political party (there are oath breakers galore in both major parties), and if you stand for the rights of all Americans, at all times, then you are one of us. Join us. We need your help to preserve liberty for our children and grand-children, and for all Americans.

 

[Airborneguy]

Non-political and non-partisan are two entirely different animals.

 

[holdover]

Im asking you, are they a political organization ?

 

[holdover]

The straight answer is, they are not a political organization .

 

[Catskillkid]

There's a NJ Congressional candidate running ads about how his opponent is a supporter of a "domestic terrorist organization" (you guessed it...The Oathkeepers). I love how keeping you oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic makes one a terrorist these days.

 

[fartgamer]

Gotta be honest, this is really no different to me than the NFL players kneeling for the anthem. When you're an employee you're bound by a set of guidelines you have to abide by.


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Yeah, they were all over the NFL players in one thread.

They back cops when it suits them.
I wonder if they're OK with a PBA sticker on the back window....3....2....1....go.

 

[fartgamer]

There's a NJ Congressional candidate running ads about how his opponent is a supporter of a "domestic terrorist organization" (you guessed it...The Oathkeepers). I love how keeping you oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic makes one a terrorist these days.

That is wrong on all accounts, fuck that Congressman.

 

[Airborneguy]

Im asking you, are they a political organization ?

They absolutely are.

 

[holdover]

Well that's a nice opinion , what party are they? Do any of them hold office? They are definitely NOT a political organization in the true sense of the meaning . They support the constitution and in that respect , they may loosely be defined as being political. Was your military unit a political organization? loosely they were , But not in the real meaning of the word.

 

[holdover]

Yeah, they were all over the NFL players in one thread.

They back cops when it suits them.
I wonder if they're OK with a PBA sticker on the back window....3....2....1....go.

When it suits who? the main difference is your ignorance of what's happening . that's the problem. you don't understand the difference between someone pissing on the flag and somebody who swore to protect it.

Now the assholes who pissed on the flag on national TV in front of millions of veterans had nothing happen to them because of freedom of expression even though they were wearing the uniform of city team and were being paid to represent the team and city . then took it upon themselves to shit on the American flag while fans who paid good money to be there were forced to see it. Now if they to go on you tube on their own time and bitch about their enslavement then god bless em have it . Nobody is going to listen their nonsense anyway. but taking advantage of their situation ? Fuck them.

think about going to McDonalds and everybody is wearing NAZI armbands . same thing

The police , who have to take that oath to even be an officer , who is paid by the city or state to uphold his oath and the law decides he wants to throw his oath keep hat in the window to let people know he would never take an unlawful order is suspended . even though following his oath is exactly whats he supposed to be doing. He is NOT making a political statement , and he is suspended for it.

Ad you think that's the same thing ? what country are you from?

 

[GOPerfect]

If, and only if, there is a written policy saying that he can not have something like this while on duty, the officer should already be back to work.

I would be willing to bet there is no standard policy.

One more anti-cop story. An Anti-freedom story.

I hope the officer sues the city and the department.

 

[Airborneguy]

Well that's a nice opinion , what party are they? Do any of them hold office? They are definitely NOT a political organization in the true sense of the meaning . They support the constitution and in that respect , they may loosely be defined as being political. Was your military unit a political organization? loosely they were , But not in the real meaning of the word.

Again, "party" is irrelevant. Oathkeepers is as poitical as any other special interest group. The term does not require participation in the actual process of elections. I have no idea what you are getting at with your military comparison, but you're free to further explain if you wish.

Here's an interview the founder did on Alex Jones (in itself enough for me to not support the organization, especially on duty):

Oath Keepers Founder Ready For War With Liberal, Islamist, Drug Cartel Coalition | Right Wing Watch

 

[holdover]

Just because you make a statement doesn't make it a fact . Your just stating your point of view. The military comparison was that the military is, by default , an extension of political will , hence the men in the military can be loosely termed as a political tool , or organization in a broad sense of the word the same way the Police are enforcing the laws of the United states are part of the judicial branch and can be loosely said to be a political organization for enforcing the laws of the United States

I was conceding the point , that in the broadest sense of the term, the Oath keepers might be considered political, the way the military or police are political organizations by extension of political will .While the men themselves, may not very political at all .( soldiers, police)

Did you watch that video ? What hes saying is a little bit different than the article from ""Right wing watch"" is saying. hes stating nothing more than what a militia would normally state . The protection of the people. What did Rhodes say specifically? I didn't see much in what he was saying .

That combination of the two sources provided were pretty weak. Alex jones and Right wing watch.

"""(in itself enough for me to not support the organization)"""

That easy? He spoke with AJ so I wont support him?

Can you explain what the political goals of the Oath keepers are?

Do you believe they are Anti government?


In my opinion, the hat in car was no more political than the American flag on your uniform .
Would it be politically offensive if the man had a An American flag on the hat instead?

 

[holdover]

 

[Airborneguy]

I believe that they are devisive in that I've seen statements in the past which reflect disdain for officers who won't join them, as if they alone are the arbiters of who is "keeping their oath".

 

[fartgamer]

If, and only if, there is a written policy saying that he can not have something like this while on duty, the officer should already be back to work.

THAT, right there, all "opinions" aside. Every employer has a "contract" with their employees. Let the officer's union sue the city, if there's cause, and we'll see where this falls....until then it's all touchy feely BS. The comparisons cited are bogus. MY "opinion", as valid as your "facts".

As much as I love Clarke, and respect him immensely, he's a "politician" too.

Anyways all this talk of political vs non political means nothing, the issue here is do his employers have rules regarding display of that hat, any hat, a picture of his dog, what sneakers he wears, etc.
As said many times if you can't follow the rules/laws get another job.

Let's wait until/if the union files a grievance and see the outcome. Is that too much to ask?

 

[holdover]

You don't understand what your talking about ,do you? Hes a government worker showing support of the government. The government made him take an oath to protect the constitution . His hat says I am paid by the government to protect the constitution , I swore an oath to the constitution and that fucking patch I wear on my arm that says POLICE, is there for people to see that I am representing the law ( the constitution) . The oath in no way conflicts with the job whatsoever. The American flag He wears says that he is proudly serving his country .

Im sure his boss can figure a way around it by saying no personnel hats or clothing can be in sight in any patrol car or something to that effect. but saying its because its an oath keeper hat is total bullshit. its not even the freedom of expression , its the hypocrisy of it. As if the Oath is an offensive thing . Its not . but people like his boss are .

 

[misunderestimated]

You can dance around all day about the term on the hat "Oath Keeper" but it brought Heat to the department in a time that no department needs to have any additional animosity or hate brought to them ,

Bringing heat to your bosses/department ,is actually just bringing heat to your self

It was actually selfish of the officer to do this to the rest of the department .

The Bosses did everything correct in getting the heat off of him and the rest of his department

Md. officer suspended over controversial hat

Now is not a time,to bring trouble and heat to any department, Don't give any one any fodder to continue the false narrative that police are anti anybody. we have allot of ground to re-cover

 

[holdover]

Why would keeping your oath bring heat.?

""false narrative that police are anti anybody""

False narrative of what? Keeping your oath to uphold the law? and who said the police are anti anybody? How does that hat make it so? I don't get what your saying.

From Oath keepers:

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders, who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to “defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” That oath, mandated by Article VI of the Constitution itself, is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and Oath Keepers declare that they will not obey unconstitutional orders, such as orders to disarm the American people, to conduct warrantless searches, or to detain Americans as “enemy combatants” in violation of their ancient right to jury trial. See the Oath Keepers Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey for details.



Wheres the problem?

Should we take the American flag off the uniform too? Might as well. Somebody might feel offended

 

[Jezman]

One interesting concept I see from the original post is this. The police department don't alow any political statements in the car. And they enforce it. Which really makes alot of sense they are public servents. There pay comes from taxpayers money. I believe the same is true for a politician. But but they do worse then this everyday. And no one is suspending or crying foul. WTF is wrong with the rest of public service people getting away with much worse.

 

[holdover]

Its no more political than the flag they are wearing/protecting