spat
.950 JDJ
Even in the worst hit areas, they may not be a great idea, but it's still unconstitutional to outlaw them.
Minneapolis Police Choke an Unarmed Handcuffed Man to Death
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Did you read the last post I wrote?
spat
.950 JDJ
I would think the idea was that fires tend to spread.
Especially in cities, just because the structure isn't occupied doesn't mean the fire won't spread to one that is.
These laws were passed when fires routinely burned down whole city blocks.
spat
.950 JDJ
I hadn't when I responded, but I have now.
I still stand by my statement. Even if we were in the throes of the black death, and 100 million Americans were going to die from it, the constitution provides no exceptions.
The only person authorized to decide what's "too risky" for you, is you. You are welcome to hunker down in a bunker anytime you want. Nobody gets to order you to, no matter how dire things get.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So I can continue to stay and pray in a church that had a fire in it where the beams are structurally unsound when the fire department orders me to leave?
I get your point but you do not seem to get mine. There isn’t absolutes in anything in regards to rights.
spat
.950 JDJ
They should not be able to order you to leave.
Their only recourse should be to say "told you so" when the roof collapse on you, and then walk away.
But, as I have said, there is a world of difference between closing the building vs preventing the faithful from praying together.
Why should the government be allowed to order you to do something "for your own safety" ?
If they can order you to leave that church, can they order you to lose that extra weight you're carrying around ? It's sure to kill you one day too.
tony
6.5 Creedmoor
I get that a citizen was needlessly killed during an arrest. Those responsible will hopefully be held accountable. Peaceful protest is in order, not the bullshit happening now. I have to ask, just how long should this violent protesting be allowed to continue unchecked? You want to protest fine, burning and looting is not protesting.
The death of that person is just an excuse. This violence has to stop. What would you do to stop it?
Anyone?
The death of that person is just an excuse. This violence has to stop. What would you do to stop it?
Anyone?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Unfortunately, life isn’t that way. We have fire codes, EPA, Econ laws, ect. I get your argument. But it’s a Darth argument. Not realistic at all and never going to change.
spat
.950 JDJ
I could say the same about SAFE.
No lies, no keyboard commando.
I would give enough warning to the terrorists. I would inform them of a curfew, I would let them know that if they did not disperse and leave the area, more extreme measures would be forth coming.
I would order the officers to load full with non-lethal, at first. If that did not work, I would bring in each and every firetruck and use the water cannons on the rioters and the ones performing terror attacks. High pressure water cannons work very well, I watched them in Frankfort Germany years ago. If none of those tools worked, I would use live ammunition. This is no different then when the terrorists try to take over an embassy,
Yes, I would open fire upon American citizens.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Wait a minute? Curfew? Constitutional... Anyway, I agree with you. Intentional damage to property should be met with deadly force. I sure as hell would do it in my home.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I already said: aggressive non-lethal crowd control. Rubber bullets, bean bags. Start with tear gas and when they start throwing it back and turning it into a fun game you break out the painful projectiles. And more arrests.
The police are barely even making arrests now. Just letting these groups of assholes do whatever they want to do. Just having fun tearing shit up.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Although the preamble is not a source of power for any department of the Federal Government, the Supreme Court has often referred to it as evidence of the origin, scope, and purpose of the Constitution.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
I would like to think the civilized people we mingle with wont see enough desperation to burn down a police precinct. What does that fo to further a movement? Nothing good will come from it. Just because there may be a few scumbags that work in a building, you dont destroy it to make life hard for the good.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Weak.
chicago.cbslocal.com
Chicago Police Officers Ordered To No Longer Use Force To Disperse Large Gatherings
"Until further notice, large gatherings will only be monitored until the crowd disperse on it's own," a CPD memo to commanders and officers states.
chicago.cbslocal.com
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
A lot of that which is written above is argued against here.
Correct. All too often people only pay attention to the parts of the Constitution that they like. The parts they do not like, they want to ignore.
tony
6.5 Creedmoor
Whatever it takes to stop that behavior. Those doing the burning and looting are not civilized people and IMO should be treated as terrorists.
Bozo
.45 acp
Non-lethal has already been deployed, with limited effect. I would authorize riot baton use against anyone dumb enough to charge the line. As in head-cracking. Immediate use of deadly force against molotov and rock throwers. Easy to say from the comfort of my couch.
The issue is that the situation is a lot more dynamic, with large groups popping up and dispersing quickly. PD is spread thin and often arrive after the damage has been done. If this doesn't fizzle out soon, it will take a massive LE/NG response to regain control.
Ummm..
www.washingtontimes.com
George Floyd died of police restraint combined with health problems, not asphyxiation: Autopsy
George Floyd died Monday from a combination of preexisting health conditions exacerbated by being held down by Minneapolis officers, not from strangulation or asphyxiation, based on the medical examiner’s initial report.
www.washingtontimes.com
More Darth arguments seem to be more and more prevalent and accepted when the leash keeps tightening.
Imagine that.
Let me let you in on a little secret: If you have a bad heart, and I pull a gun on you cause your heart attack, I still murdered you.Ummm..
George Floyd died of police restraint combined with health problems, not asphyxiation: Autopsy
George Floyd died Monday from a combination of preexisting health conditions exacerbated by being held down by Minneapolis officers, not from strangulation or asphyxiation, based on the medical examiner’s initial report.
One need not hope they are physically fit enough to survive a police encounter, lest we have a problem.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What did I say that’s incorrect? Are Darth arguments where no taxes, no cops, no fireman, no military, no public roads, ect ever going to come to effect?
Probably around the time SAFE act goes away, but that says nothing of its merit or legality.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Agreed.
Brooklyn is a warzone right now. You know, because it happened here.
I have a few videos but I can’t post them here.
I have a few videos but I can’t post them here.
spat
.950 JDJ
No orders to disperse, or "collective punishment" like tear gas, etc.
But snipers to immediately kill anyone attempting to commit arson or other real crimes.
That's where the line should be drawn, a very bright line between assembly and crime.
I've never been a fan of orders to disperse, or assemblies declared unlawful. Crimes are committed by individuals, not groups.
