BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
If that were the level of evidence required either no one would be in prison or everyone would.
Multiple rioters shot in Kenosha by armed citizens.
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If that were the level of evidence required either no one would be in prison or everyone would.
carpediem
.338 Win Mag
I wasn't sure, especially the way courts can be. To me, you bet, even hands alone can be deadly, as in the case of the guy punched in the head who then fell and struck the curb, causing his death. That was in Utica, I think. The "kid" got probation. Any violence against your person could result in death, so yea, I would say a skateboard is deadly. Curious to see if the courts agree.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
lesson for so called piecefull protesters shit happens think wisely grasshopper's
Good article here
www.theblaze.com
Video evidence appears to show first Kenosha shooting victim charging shooter, using N-word while taunting militia members | Blaze Media
As new details continue to emerge concerning a deadly confrontation between rioters and a militia group in Kenosha, Wisconsin, a new video appears to show that the first victim charged at the shooter, who appeared to be attempting to retreat behind a car, and threw an object at him. It also...
www.theblaze.com
Agreed. @Chevusa might have further insight as to the legal views on it. I believe justification falls within " what a reasonable person believes is an imminent threat of serious bodily harm or death ". Took a handgun class in Rochester taught by a former Sheriff. He stated that in NY case law serious bodily harm is an injury that may require 6 months or longer to recover from as the legal basis of the threshold. That means, by definition , even broken bones wouldn't constitute the use of deadly force. Additionally, "what a reasonable person believes" also includes a jury of 12 who would need similar views. I am not an attorney, but this was what was told to me. Can a skateboard cause serious bodily harm? Metal trucks, swung and making contact with someone's head? Dam skippy a deadly weapon.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
So I'm still unsure about what the arm hole guy was doing. Was he there in support of the rioters, or was he there in support of the shooter, just wrong place, wrong time thing?
I wonder how much time passed between the first guy being shot and these other two. If it is any significant time (over a few minutes) the fear for your life defense is not likely to work. If you were afraid for your life to the point where you already had to shoot someone, why are you still in the area? That won't hold water. If you're afraid you're running for your life to get out of there. Not hanging around in the streets.
Very good. Factual, no BSGood article here
Video evidence appears to show first Kenosha shooting victim charging shooter, using N-word while taunting militia members | Blaze Media
As new details continue to emerge concerning a deadly confrontation between rioters and a militia group in Kenosha, Wisconsin, a new video appears to show that the first victim charged at the shooter, who appeared to be attempting to retreat behind a car, and threw an object at him. It also...
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Notably, this was the first shooting of the night, which caused the crowd to chase after the shooter and attempt to subdue him, whereupon two more individuals were shot.
Although the video quality is admittedly poor, it appears to show the shooter point the gun up in the air and fire a warning shot, which does not deter his would-be pursuer at all. The pursuer and the gunman both disappear around the corner of a car, whereupon several more gunshots can be heard, presumably one of which hit the pursuer in the head.
www.theblaze.com
I would'nt even prosecute if I was the DA. The kid will get off.
Although the video quality is admittedly poor, it appears to show the shooter point the gun up in the air and fire a warning shot, which does not deter his would-be pursuer at all. The pursuer and the gunman both disappear around the corner of a car, whereupon several more gunshots can be heard, presumably one of which hit the pursuer in the head.
Video evidence appears to show first Kenosha shooting victim charging shooter, using N-word while taunting militia members | Blaze Media
As new details continue to emerge concerning a deadly confrontation between rioters and a militia group in Kenosha, Wisconsin, a new video appears to show that the first victim charged at the shooter, who appeared to be attempting to retreat behind a car, and threw an object at him. It also...
www.theblaze.com
I would'nt even prosecute if I was the DA. The kid will get off.
"Friend" of mine has some ROOFING TACKS to sprinkle in the driveways of houses and businesses thst sport BLM flags.
I told him no way. Not unless they strike first, and maybe not even then.
I told him no way. Not unless they strike first, and maybe not even then.
Cameras are everywhere......
Other videos posted show the 17yr old attempting to escape after the first shooting, running away. During his flight, he was surrounded by the crowd during his attempts to flee on foot and fell in the street. This is when the second shooting occurred. If true, the level of threat never decreases in his scenario, therefore all may be justified, just terrible for him.
Notably, this was the first shooting of the night, which caused the crowd to chase after the shooter and attempt to subdue him, whereupon two more individuals were shot.
Although the video quality is admittedly poor, it appears to show the shooter point the gun up in the air and fire a warning shot, which does not deter his would-be pursuer at all. The pursuer and the gunman both disappear around the corner of a car, whereupon several more gunshots can be heard, presumably one of which hit the pursuer in the head.
Video evidence appears to show first Kenosha shooting victim charging shooter, using N-word while taunting militia members | Blaze Media
As new details continue to emerge concerning a deadly confrontation between rioters and a militia group in Kenosha, Wisconsin, a new video appears to show that the first victim charged at the shooter, who appeared to be attempting to retreat behind a car, and threw an object at him. It also...
I would'nt even prosecute if I was the DA. The kid will get off.
If I were on his jury, I'd not convict him of Jaywalking.
NO F#CKIN' WAY.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
It was within minutes of the first shooting, supposedly he ran to police lines and they told him to go away. Thats when the pursuit in the street began.
He was thinking of sprinkling them in the manner that the POW's in "The Great Escape" sprinkled dirt.
I still told him no way.
Don't go looking for trouble.
Sounds like a guy I'd like to have a few beers with...
But I will say these people that fly BLM flags better realize they may live to regret it.
BLM is a terrorist organization, and when there are victims, right or wrong, there will be those seeking revenge.
BLM is a terrorist organization, and when there are victims, right or wrong, there will be those seeking revenge.
In how many homes across America, do you think people are having serious conversations about what they will do if BLM comes for them ?
I'm betting a whole lot.
carpediem
.338 Win Mag
Imagine being this poor kid, having two bodies on your mind in what is, ultimately, a wholly avoidable circumstance. Why this need to destroy everything every damned time some clown gets shot by LEOs? Seems to be a regression of humanity, certainly not PROgression, although the progressive commucrats support all of this crap. This blood is on their hands, Biden et. al. for encouraging this shit and parroting the falsehood that LEOs are "hunting" blacks. Unfortunately, now this kid is a victim of their bullshit too. Absolutely deplorable scumbags the commucrats and their ilk. Destroying the country, lives and whatever gets between them and the mantle of power.........
GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
Guy was 17 and not allowed to have a firearm. Even if justified it’s not going to look good in court.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
Seems to be going after kid
while he was on ground!
Yeah, not a lawyer but I'd advise against purposely laying out spikes on someone's driveway. Not liking the signs they post on their property isn't a justifiable reason to potentially cause damage to their property. Pretty sure also disposing of things on other people's property is a crime as well
Also what about third parties. Think for example the paperboy wearing flip flops delivering newspapers takes a tack in the foot. You just caused injury to some kid just doing a job. You want that on your conscience?
Yes but still has a right to. self defense. If we are being attacked and I hand you a pistol to use and you dont have a permit... well it's the same thing. If the shooting was justified there cannot be a murder charge/ conviction. Want to split hairs and charge you for possessing the pistol? Highly unlikely. It was an emergency life or death situation. We'll see. Need more details.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Shows up armed with a weapon he's probably not supposed to have, from 20 miles away?
Not a good look.
You know where the gun came from?
Please upload the video of him arriving with it.
He was photographed earlier in the day without a gun.
No conversation needed, the decision was made a long tine ago. BLM has nothing to do with it. If you break into my residence you'll get dealt with accordingly, if you support BLM, antifa, Trump, or the Flying spaghetti monster doesn't come into the equation.
carpediem
.338 Win Mag
So, it was red shirt guy first, then the kid began to egress the area. As he approached the police line he fell and skateboard guy goes in first and gets a fatal chest wound for his trouble, followed by an attempt from the one-armed fellow. That first guy is where i think the case is made. The other two are armed and involved in a mob assault, which usually do not end well for the targets. If that first guy was not self defense, he is toast. The other two, based on what was going on around him, might be able to be called self defense by a good lawyer.
No matter what, why are we as Americans allowing this rioting? Why are the commucrat governors ruining lives in their zeal to get Trump? What the hell has happened to the citizenry to make them so retarded as to think this behavior is acceptable and warranted. What a very sad state of affairs and even sadder so is that a political party actually supports and praises it. Banana Republic is almost too good a term for where we are headed.....
No matter what, why are we as Americans allowing this rioting? Why are the commucrat governors ruining lives in their zeal to get Trump? What the hell has happened to the citizenry to make them so retarded as to think this behavior is acceptable and warranted. What a very sad state of affairs and even sadder so is that a political party actually supports and praises it. Banana Republic is almost too good a term for where we are headed.....
As far as I'm concerned the government should declare open season on leftists and withdraw all legal protections to them.
The victims all got what they deserved regardless of who did what first. Their mere existence is justification enough.
The victims all got what they deserved regardless of who did what first. Their mere existence is justification enough.
Constitution says otherwise.