My defenseless sister

[RDN]

Last week my sister called me and asked me about helping her get a firearm for self-defense. I asked her why she needed a gun now. What was going on?
She said things are getting "crazy" out there (in this country), with the election, protesters and riots. I was thinking to myself, wow, things must be bad if she's asking about guns now. She never inquired about them ever before.
So I told her now is the worst time to be trying to purchase a gun. Especially in New York. I told her getting a pistol permit/lic. is ridiculously difficult here especially on Long Island. Even getting a rifle or shotgun is now a pain in the a$$. With the new background check waiting period.
I told her the best bet is to get a shotgun for home defense. I have a Mossberg Maverick 88. I said for her, it would be better to get the 20ga version w/ a youth stock. IMO easier to handle.
Well I called around to different gun shops on the island (Suffolk Co). Not surprising most didn't have the 88 version I wanted. And there is a long back order for most guns.
One gun shop had a Mossberg call the Shockwave 20ga 590 (ideal for H.defense) but they wanted $830. More than double MSRP.
I call my sister and told her the cost situation and said I'll let her "borrow" one of my rifles if she really needs one.

It's a sad sad state we live in when a law abiding citizen has difficulty providing a means for self-defense.

 

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[RDN]

Last week my sister called me and asked me about helping her get a firearm for self-defense. I asked her why she needed a gun now. What was going on?
She said things are getting "crazy" out there (in this country), with the election, protesters and riots. I was thinking to myself, wow, things must be bad if she's asking about guns now. She never inquired about them ever before.
So I told her now is the worst time to be trying to purchase a gun. Especially in New York. I told her getting a pistol permit/lic. is ridiculously difficult here especially on Long Island. Even getting a rifle or shotgun is now a pain in the a$$. With the new background check waiting period.
I told her the best bet is to get a shotgun for home defense. I have a Mossberg Maverick 88. I said for her, it would be better to get the 20ga version w/ a youth stock. IMO easier to handle.
Well I called around to different gun shops on the island (Suffolk Co). Not surprising most didn't have the 88 version I wanted. And there is a long back order for most guns.
One gun shop had a Mossberg call the Shockwave 20ga 590 (ideal for H.defense) but they wanted $830. More than double MSRP.
I call my sister and told her the cost situation and said I'll let her "borrow" one of my rifles if she really needs one.

It's a sad sad state we live in when a law abiding citizen has difficulty providing a means for self-defense.

 

[dwa12479]

My sister would be in a similar situation if I hadn't gotten my BIL to invest in some guns and ammo several years ago. Thankfully my brother is active duty US Army Infantry, so he's all set. There's a VERY small group that I would be willing to help out at a time like this with either guns and/or ammo. My siblings and my parents basically being the only ones. Better to have them see the light now and ask for help rather than be calling you in a panic when the shit is on their doorstep.

 

[Vapor]

Eh, a shotgun being "best" is incredibly debatable. Especially for a female.


Let's give an action that will induce flinch and has a high probability of be short stroked to a newbie that will mostly completely fuck it all up under duress..

I'm kinda tough cookies right now with people like that in general.

 

[masterswimmer]

I'm kinda tough cookies right now with people like that in general.

I hear ya. I'm in a similar camp, however, it's his family. His sister. I don't believe in hanging family out to dry.

 

[kev74]

Sad.

Tell her it will get worse if Sleepy Creepy Joe gets elected.

 

[PutnamCharlie]

Gun broker has lots of things you might be interested in. Some way overpriced but some are fairly priced. Can have it in a few days.

 

[Blimey]

As recently as two months ago or so my local walmart had a ton of the cheap (not maverick but some other brand) 12 gauge for like $200/piece, even as everything else was substantially sold out. I've a friend who also keeps talking about it but has never gotten around to it for some reason.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Hard to feel sympathy for the squirrel that didn't save acorns for the winter.

 

[Mk44]

She found a bad time to look for a firearm. But then again, so did many other newbies.
All the local big box stores on L.I. are cleaned out of H.D. shotguns (Moss, Maverick, savage, Rem..)
All the Walmarts on L.I stop selling firearms (except one- but they're sold out anyway.)
Even the LGS in Suffolk lacks any H.D shotguns.
The riots/ election has caused a firearm/shotgun and ammo shortage country wide. People are scared.. people are buying. Worst in some areas.

I believe the current wait time for a SCPD handgun permit is well over 12mths if your sister is thinking about applying.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Tell your sister that the best day to buy a gun or start the pistol license process was yesterday, the next best day is today.

Don't wait. Get on it ASAP. Better late than never. If she waits too long the music will stop and she'll be left without a chair for her.

If biden wins tomorrow there is going to be one hell of a shit storm panic. If you think guns and ammo are unobtonium now, wait 36 hours and see how much worse it gets. Stores will not have anything in stock essentially and potentially well into bidens term and if they get restocked who knows if they will even be able to sell guns anymore.

If trump wins expect riots and unrest, see above, guns and ammo will be even more unobtonium in 36 hours than they are right now, and it's bad now.


My out of state brother is in a similar situation he has a .22 and 12g. I've been pushing him to get a pistol and a 5.56 but he keeps pushing it off like there's no sense of urgency he now says he will just go the day after the election if biden wins. I've tried telling him it's not going to be that simple. I worry about him but I guess at least he has something already now that's better than a sharp stick (he's happy with his 12g) but I really wish he had more now a pistol and fully functional 5.56 would be mighty handy in a free state right about now.

 

[libertysnake]

Tell your sister that the best day to buy a gun or start the pistol license process was yesterday, the next best day is today.

Don't wait. Get on it ASAP. Better late than never. If she waits too long the music will stop and she'll be left without a chair for her.

If biden wins tomorrow there is going to be one hell of a shit storm panic. If you think guns and ammo are unobtonium now, wait 36 hours and see how much worse it gets. Stores will not have anything in stock essentially and potentially well into bidens term and if they get restocked who knows if they will even be able to sell guns anymore.

If trump wins expect riots and unrest, see above, guns and ammo will be even more unobtonium in 36 hours than they are right now, and it's bad now.


My out of state brother is in a similar situation he has a .22 and 12g. I've been pushing him to get a pistol and a 5.56 but he keeps pushing it off like there's no sense of urgency he now says he will just go the day after the election if biden wins. I've tried telling him it's not going to be that simple. I worry about him but I guess at least he has something already now that's better than a sharp stick (he's happy with his 12g) but I really wish he had more now a pistol and fully functional 5.56 would be mighty handy in a free state right about now.

It's probably going to be panic-ey like it was in April regardless. Probably a month of shortages either way, is my best guess. That's the most likely scenario from what I'm seeing between the extremes of "nothing" and "the end of the world" based on some historical recent examples.

Still, regardless, I hope it stays peaceful. On the off chance it doesn't, I'm at a little under 1000 rounds of 9mm, and 3500 7.62x39.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I'm pretty sure the Maverick 88, Mossberg 500 and 590, most stocks and pistol grips are interchangeable.

 

[tony]

Do you think they'll be any food shortages once the "dancing in the streets" starts when the Trumper wins? Think truckers will want to venture into cities???

 

[nortatoga]

Do you think they'll be any food shortages once the "dancing in the streets" starts when the Trumper wins? Think truckers will want to venture into cities???

Better get Toilet Paper.....

 

[tirwin1]

I have a sister that was interested in buying a shotgun. She is small and thin so I took her to the range so she could try a number of weapons. The shotgun was too much for her but she did pretty good with my .22 rifle. I recommended that she get a .22 rifle instead of a shotgun but she didn't want to buy anything. She and her husband are not very keen on having weapons in their house with two daughters. Instead they are going to get a security system. I told her that's fine but what are you going to do in between the time the system alerts the police and the time the police actually arrive? She didn't have an answer. I commend her for at least starting to think about it but apparently she believes she will be safe in her home.

 

[Calculon]

I have a sister that was interested in buying a shotgun. She is small and thin so I took her to the range so she could try a number of weapons. The shotgun was too much for her but she did pretty good with my .22 rifle. I recommended that she get a .22 rifle instead of a shotgun but she didn't want to buy anything. She and her husband are not very keen on having weapons in their house with two daughters. Instead they are going to get a security system. I told her that's fine but what are you going to do in between the time the system alerts the police and the time the police actually arrive? She didn't have an answer. I commend her for at least starting to think about it but apparently she believes she will be safe in her home.

Good advice you gave them. Having 2 daughters in the house is exactly why you want to consider having a firearm (and training/practice).

 

[Blimey]

I have a sister that was interested in buying a shotgun. She is small and thin so I took her to the range so she could try a number of weapons. The shotgun was too much for her but she did pretty good with my .22 rifle. I recommended that she get a .22 rifle instead of a shotgun but she didn't want to buy anything. She and her husband are not very keen on having weapons in their house with two daughters. Instead they are going to get a security system. I told her that's fine but what are you going to do in between the time the system alerts the police and the time the police actually arrive? She didn't have an answer. I commend her for at least starting to think about it but apparently she believes she will be safe in her home.

When seconds count the police are just minutes away!

I actually do not think I'll ever suffer a home invasion. I have a ton of cameras to catch shenanigans outside like a car break in or people knocking over my mailbox and thinking they can get away with it, but if a security system is breached and the alarm goes off at night then what? I hope her husband at least has a machete under the bed, which can be had for $20-30 and would do a nasty job on any home invader.

A semi- .22 would be a good fit for anybody who feels like a shotgun is just way too much (though I think many who do think that probably could have that trained out of them quite quickly). It can also be hidden from their daughters behind some boxes in the basement. Just there in case things go really south.

 

[holdover]

My sister asked me about getting an AR, but because of the kings laws on ARs and detachable mags and the present situation and ammo sortage, Im going to recommend AN M1 carbine. Its small easy to use, combat tested, reliable and she can hide her mags from the kids . its not like she is going to use it for any long range engagements

 

[RDN]

Eh, a shotgun being "best" is incredibly debatable. Especially for a female.


Let's give an action that will induce flinch and has a high probability of be short stroked to a newbie that will mostly completely fuck it all up under duress..

I'm kinda tough cookies right now with people like that in general.

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Like I stated, getting a pistol permit/lic. is incredibly difficult in NY and especially on Long Island. A 18.5in 20ga shotgun w/ a youth stock IMO is a good option for a reg. size women.

 

[livingston]

I have a sister that was interested in buying a shotgun. She is small and thin so I took her to the range so she could try a number of weapons. The shotgun was too much for her but she did pretty good with my .22 rifle. I recommended that she get a .22 rifle instead of a shotgun but she didn't want to buy anything. She and her husband are not very keen on having weapons in their house with two daughters. Instead they are going to get a security system. I told her that's fine but what are you going to do in between the time the system alerts the police and the time the police actually arrive? She didn't have an answer. I commend her for at least starting to think about it but apparently she believes she will be safe in her home.

Tell them during the riots this summer RPD took hours just to do a drive by much less stop and investigate ...At least that is what I have heard on the radio...

 

[RDN]

When seconds count the police are just minutes away!

I actually do not think I'll ever suffer a home invasion. I have a ton of cameras to catch shenanigans outside like a car break in or people knocking over my mailbox and thinking they can get away with it, but if a security system is breached and the alarm goes off at night then what? I hope her husband at least has a machete under the bed, which can be had for $20-30 and would do a nasty job on any home invader.

A semi- .22 would be a good fit for anybody who feels like a shotgun is just way too much (though I think many who do think that probably could have that trained out of them quite quickly). It can also be hidden from their daughters behind some boxes in the basement. Just there in case things go really south.

Yes, I have a nice .22 marlin semi-auto. I'll take her out to the Islip town shooting range sometime this month. It'll be fun.

 

[RDN]

Hard to feel sympathy for the squirrel that didn't save acorns for the winter.

I've been telling everyone around me, STOP DRINKING THAT GUN-CONTROL COOL-AID!!
Some are *now* starting to see the "picture"

 

[BuffNiag]

I would rather have a bat than a .22 for home defense purposes. Just not reliable enough.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Yes, I have a nice .22 marlin semi-auto. I'll take her out to the Islip town shooting range sometime this month. It'll be fun.

As much as we may mock a .22 for not being a self defense caliber, I guarantee no one is going to stand there getting shot at by one.

If a new shooter (especially a female) is only comfortable shooting a .22 then it's 100% better than nothing. Again a perp isn't going to even consider what caliber gun is shooting at them, they're going to move along (if not already shot) looking for an easier target.

I know my wife (she's small) can certainly handle my .22 no problem. If that's her "go to" while I'm not home I'm happy she has it as an option

 

[Vapor]

Like I stated, getting a pistol permit/lic. is incredibly difficult in NY and especially on Long Island. A 18.5in 20ga shotgun w/ a youth stock IMO is a good option for a reg. size women.

I didn't mean to come at you. Ideally maybe a 9mm carbine in my opinion, but I'm not trying to rain on your parade. These are weird times.

 

[livingston]

I would rather have a bat than a .22 for home defense purposes. Just not reliable enough.

I have a Winchester 62 that I can fire all day without a jam. Know a vet that puts down cows with a .22 with no problem. .. One shot and they are on the ground .. Perhaps not dead but stunned ,,, Dare say a person would react the same way...

 

[Vapor]

I have a Winchester 62 that I can fire all day without a jam. Know a vet that puts down cows with a .22 with no problem. .. One shot and they are on the ground .. Perhaps not dead but stunned ,,, Dare say a person would react the same way...

I second this. I have a marlin 795 I would trust pretty well with cci mini mag HP if it was all I had. Dump 10 rounds into a chest as fast as you can and see how much fight they have left...

 

[Blimey]

As recently as two months ago or so my local walmart had a ton of the cheap (not maverick but some other brand) 12 gauge for like $200/piece, even as everything else was substantially sold out. I've a friend who also keeps talking about it but has never gotten around to it for some reason.

I txted him yesterday. He said he's going to get one. I said better go do it literally now, as in today. Regardless of what happens in the election the difficulty getting firearms and ammo today is going to be amplified in coming days.