New Concealed Carry Training requirements

[Truebeliever]

The standard is great and “ tough”.
To those who are looking for an instructor, call the security training companies. They are DCJS qualified instructors.

 

[GOPerfect]

You are joking right?

Nope, not kidding. My live fire qual takes less than an hour.

I did not have to give up my social media accounts to get hired.

I did not have to pay hundreds of dollars to go through training

Did you have to do all of this?

 

[Truebeliever]

Nope, not kidding. My live fire qual takes less than an hour.

I did not have to give up my social media accounts to get hired.

I did not have to pay hundreds of dollars to go through training

Did you have to do all of this?

You are speaking of requal. This is the one time initial training standard. We are talking your academy training .

 

[GOPerfect]

You are speaking of requal. This is the one time initial training standard. We are talking your academy training .

Still never had to give up social media.

Never was forced to spend hundreds for un needed training. The list goes on and on.

 

[Phazer]

Nope, not kidding. My live fire qual takes less than an hour.

I did not have to give up my social media accounts to get hired.

I did not have to pay hundreds of dollars to go through training

Did you have to do all of this?

My counter proposal to the training:

Give me 15 minutes for me to explain to the "trainer":

• Safe firearms handling
• Caliber selection
• Firearms function, assembly, cleaning, storage
• Holster selection
• NYS Article 35

Give me 5 minutes for me to demonstrate:

• Proper loading and manipulation of pistols, rifles, and shotguns
• Holster draw
• Meeting the 4 yard 11"x25" qualification using one hand support side grip on the pistol

Once done, in 20 minutes or less, "qualify" me for for my constitutional right in New York and never test me again.

 

[Truebeliever]

Still never had to give up social media.

Never was forced to spend hundreds for un needed training. The list goes on and on.

Nope, when you go for a police job now, they look for it in the background. And I think the social media thing is clear violation of the 1st admendment

 

[Truebeliever]

My counter proposal to the training:

Give me 15 minutes to explain:

• Safe firearms handling
• Caliber selection
• Firearms function, assembly, cleaning, storage
• Holster selection
• NYS Article 35

Give me 5 minutes to demonstrate:

• Proper loading and manipulation of pistols, rifles, and shotguns
• Holster draw
• Meeting the 4 yard 11"x25" qualification using one hand support side grip on the pistol

Once done, in 20 minutes or less, "qualify" me for for my constitutional right in New York and never test me again.

You do know it’s the equivalent of what they are going to give . Yours is just the time it takes to teach one person. Their time is 10 or more for the same training.
As far as spending money, it shouldn’t cost hundreds, and when you retire you will be paying about $50 to $ 100 for your LEOSA requal ( unless your former department does it for free) , not including ammo etc.

 

[Truebeliever]

What is your licensing office take on this thing that since they do recertification and not renewals, current license holders don’t need to do the training ?

 

[Phazer]

You do know it’s the equivalent of what they are going to give . Yours is just the time it takes to teach one person. Their time is 10 or more for the same training.
As far as spending money, it shouldn’t cost hundreds, and when you retire you will be paying about $50 to $ 100 for your LEOSA requal ( unless your former department does it for free) , not including ammo etc.

I don't care.

Most of us already know everything that they plan to "teach" us.
Most of us have training and experience that far exceeds the minimal standards that the state will mandate.

So, I propose they they just give me 20 minutes to prove my competency and then they can sign my unconstitutional permission slip and eff off for the rest of my natural life.

 

[Truebeliever]

I don't care.

Most of us already know everything that they plan to "teach" us.
Most of us have training and experience that far exceeds the minimal standards that the state will mandate.

So, I propose they they just give me 20 minutes to prove my competency and then they can sign my unconstitutional permission slip and eff off for the rest of my natural life.

And I agree that everyone on this forum doesn’t need this training. It’s a bs requirement.

 

[togmaster]

My counter proposal to the training:

Give me 15 minutes for me to explain to the "trainer":

• Safe firearms handling
• Caliber selection
• Firearms function, assembly, cleaning, storage
• Holster selection
• NYS Article 35

Give me 5 minutes for me to demonstrate:

• Proper loading and manipulation of pistols, rifles, and shotguns
• Holster draw
• Meeting the 4 yard 11"x25" qualification using one hand support side grip on the pistol

Once done, in 20 minutes or less, "qualify" me for for my constitutional right in New York and never test me again.

I like how you didn't say weak hand. Because if you train enough neither hand is weak.

 

[ICEMAN]

So how many classroom/ live fire instructors are there in NY.

And how many permits/ year, renewals are there.

A law can’t be legal if there is no way to meet its requirements

Per NYSP NRA Instructors will still be considered authorized at least for now. If it becomes only DCJS Instructors that will be more difficult. There are plenty of NRA certified instructor all over the state that can do the 16 hour class. I’m in Erie County, but there are hundreds just in WNY. I don’t think training should be mandatory either so hopefully this doesn’t hold up for long.

 

[GOPerfect]

Nope, when you go for a police job now, they look for it in the background. And I think the social media thing is clear violation of the 1st admendment

I do not believe they do this up my way. I know my department absolutely does not do this. Any department that is, should be ashamed at the violation of an applicants Rights. Disgusting. But I do not put it past a deparment like NYPD.

 

[togmaster]

So as a NRA certified pistol instructor do I need to undergo the training myself?

 

[Truebeliever]

I do not believe they do this up my way. I know my department absolutely does not do this. Any department that is, should be ashamed at the violation of an applicants Rights. Disgusting. But I do not put it past a deparment like NYPD.

Go make sure. A search of social media is standard in private sector corporate background checks. Not a forced disclosure but a quick open source search. I am sure they do it on candidates at almost every department now evening to see if there are pictures of the kkk on their public page.

And I know for a fact smaller departments are doing it.

 

[Truebeliever]

So as a NRA certified pistol instructor do I need to undergo the training myself?

The answer might be yes. Did you get similar training from a NYS DCJS instructor or have basic military firearms training ?
I would bet they would say if you did not, you have to take the bs course. It’s how stupid this thing is
Check with your licensing official, someone said they are letting nra instructors teach the training due to a shortage of DCJS instructors.

 

[ICEMAN]

So as a NRA certified pistol instructor do I need to undergo the training myself?

Depends on where you live. Active duty law enforcement and military need to do it if they are applying for a permit. If you love north of NYC and already have a permit then you are exempt. There is a section stating that instructors can evaluate proof of training to see what parts exceed new requirements. I don’t think anyone knows for sure though. Just going by what NYSP told me and what I have read. I know this is ridiculous.

 

[S&W Fan]

Go make sure. A search of social media is standard in private sector corporate background checks. Not a forced disclosure but a quick open source search. I am sure they do it on candidates at almost every department now evening to see if there are pictures of the kkk on their public page.

And I know for a fact smaller departments are doing it.

They definitely do. As recently as just a few years ago. I’m not going to say how or why I know. But I do know for a Fact that a lot of departments do. Especially for Any type of law enforcement position with the state.

 

[GOPerfect]

Go make sure. A search of social media is standard in private sector corporate background checks. Not a forced disclosure but a quick open source search. I am sure they do it on candidates at almost every department now evening to see if there are pictures of the kkk on their public page.

And I know for a fact smaller departments are doing it.

I know 100% fact that my department does not look into Social Media. I have a good friend that does all Background checks for the hires in the town that I live in, no SM checks there either. I am sure, in time, all departments will start trying to do this.

Easy end round though, do not use your real name. None of my Social Media has my real name on it.

In real life, I am not called GOPerfect.

 

[Truebeliever]

I know 100% fact that my department does not look into Social Media. I have a good friend that does all Background checks for the hires in the town that I live in, no SM checks there either. I am sure, in time, all departments will start trying to do this.

Easy end round though, do not use your real name. None of my Social Media has my real name on it.

In real life, I am not called GOPerfect.

Did you use throwaway email to set it up? Use a VPN to hide your IP address too?
It’s only a matter of how hard they want to dig and how many steps the poster took to stay anonymous.
Also what is the definition of social media ? I don’t believe message boards are social media and I’m sticking to that. So if they want to look at my Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram accounts when I have to renew, I’ll show it to them ,

 

[GOPerfect]

Did you use throwaway email to set it up? Use a VPN to hide your IP address too?
It’s only a matter of how hard they want to dig and how many steps the poster took to stay anonymous.
Also what is the definition of social media ? I don’t believe message boards are social media and I’m sticking to that. So if they want to look at my Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram accounts when I have to renew, I’ll show it to them ,

Me? Yes. I have a bunch of throw away emails. I use a VPN. My son is brilliant in regards to computer shit, he takes care of all of this for me.

I will never share my Social Media accounts. If people want to really dig, it is on them. I'll never offer my life up willingly.

I enjoy my freedoms, I enjoy my First Amendment Right. I enjoy my Forth and Fifth amendments. I am all about due process. Over all, I love and respect the US Constitution. Dig away, if they find me, they find me. Not all that difficult to do, I will not make anything easy.

 

[spat]

The answer might be yes. Did you get similar training from a NYS DCJS instructor or have basic military firearms training ?
I would bet they would say if you did not, you have to take the bs course. It’s how stupid this thing is
Check with your licensing official, someone said they are letting nra instructors teach the training due to a shortage of DCJS instructors.

Can he teach himself the course LOL.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

So it seems NY currently holds the crown.

 

[maverick52]

Still never had to give up social media.

Never was forced to spend hundreds for un needed training. The list goes on and on.

I think new hires for LEO have social media background checks. Especially in NYC

 

[Blackjack]

I think new hires for LEO have social media background checks. Especially in NYC

Social media for LEO’s and government employees are 100% to find out your political affiliation, make sure you have the latest thing profile filter or symbol (currently the Ukraine flag) and support bottom surgery for kids.

 

[ManualF150]

MSN

 

[Stretz Tactical Inc.]

Legislation #19

"
* 19. "Duly authorized instructor" means (a) a duly commissioned
officer of the United States army, navy, marine corps or coast guard, or
of the national guard of the state of New York; or (b) a duly qualified
adult citizen of the United States who has been granted a certificate as
an instructor in small arms practice issued by the United States army,
navy or marine corps, or by the adjutant general of this state, or by
the division of criminal justice services, or by the national rifle
association of America, a not-for-profit corporation duly organized
under the laws of this state; (c) by a person duly qualified and
designated by the department of environmental conservation as its agent
in the giving of instruction and the making of certifications of
qualification in responsible hunting practices; or (d) a New York state
4-H certified shooting sports instructor."

im just asking now ..

so is Training from

Rochester Defense . and all the others like @Stretz Tactical Inc. here and there not allowed ??

PS .. safe storage was already stuck down in the courts ..

It doesn’t bar you from teaching, only from teaching the 16 course. Also, It says NRA certified and NYS DCJS certified. I was NRA certified & can submit my FBI Certificates to DCJS, to be DCJS qualified. But I have zero desire to teach the 16 hour course AND MAINTAIN THE RECORDS FOR 5 YEARS (or so I have been told). So it’s business as usual for me

 

[ManualF150]

Nope, when you go for a police job now, they look for it in the background. And I think the social media thing is clear violation of the 1st admendment

They've been doing it for a long time. Longer than what most think.

I can't explain too much... but the cadets will be used as examples of what NOT to be on social media.

However, there is a difference here... becoming a police officer is a job, getting a pistol permit is another. Totally different circumstances.

 

[Truebeliever]

They've been doing it for a long time. Longer than what most think.

I can't explain too much... but the cadets will be used as examples of what NOT to be on social media.

However, there is a difference here... becoming a police officer is a job, getting a pistol permit is another. Totally different circumstances.

I agree. The person applying for the permit might have said political speech against the very person in charge of issuing the permits.