New NY background check for guns??

[Celt]

The FFL does NOT run the actual NICS check, they just file the completed form locally for their own records....end of process. The only way you would ever show up in the ATF's records is if they actually went on-site at the FFL and recorded all the forms. (It's the same where I live)

Everytime i have filled out a 4473 they call it in. During that phone your name, address, Ss (if provided) and type of gun has been provided to the person over the phone. And as was always suspected, that information is being retained, even though its not supposed to be.

 

[thughes]

Everytime i have filled out a 4473 they call it in. During that phone your name, address, Ss (if provided) and type of gun has been provided to the person over the phone. And as was always suspected, that information is being retained, even though its not supposed to be.

In states such as where I live, if you have a valid CCW, it negates the NICS check. The form gets filled out, but it is NEVER called into the FBI....it just gets tossed into the store's filing cabinet. Hard to believe for you folks behind enemy lines, I know, but that's how things work in Free America.

For context: Where I live, the State Police run a monthly BG check on every CCW to validate that you're not a prohibited person. As long as their BG check clears, your CCW is good and the FFL's are not required to run the NICS check as long as you present a valid CCW at purchase.

"Federal law does not require dealers to conduct a background check if a firearm purchaser presents a state permit to purchase or possess firearms that meets certain conditions. As a result, concealed weapon permit holders in Kentucky are exempt from the federal background check requirement when purchasing a handgun."

 

[Saltwater60]

All of the 4473’s get filed at the FFLs. Most of the info never leaves. UNTIL NYS took over their special background check. Other free states have come to the realization that someone holding a permit has already proven they are not a prohibited person;FOPA.

Just curious what happens to your files when you die? I’m not trying to be morbid but don’t they come and take the files? They can also come look at them if they have an order right? They inspect them when going through your files for the annual inspection or whenever they come right?

 

[1075tech]

In states such as where I live, if you have a valid CCW, it negates the NICS check. The form gets filled out, but it is NEVER called into the FBI....it just gets tossed into the store's filing cabinet. Hard to believe for you folks behind enemy lines, I know, but that's how things work in Free America.

For context: Where I live, the State Police run a monthly BG check on every CCW to validate that you're not a prohibited person. As long as their BG check clears, your CCW is good and the FFL's are not required to run the NICS check as long as you present a valid CCW at purchase.

"Federal law does not require dealers to conduct a background check if a firearm purchaser presents a state permit to purchase or possess firearms that meets certain conditions. As a result, concealed weapon permit holders in Kentucky are exempt from the federal background check requirement when purchasing a handgun."

Except for the monthly check by the SP, same here in NC.

If I want to buy a handgun from an FFL, I go to the store, pay for it, fill out the 4473 and leave with it. FFL keeps the 4473 on file, somewhere.

But, most handguns that I have bought here have been private sale. Meet somewhere of convenience, hand over money or trade item, take possession of handgun, go on my way

 

[Brawny71]

Just curious what happens to your files when you die? I’m not trying to be morbid but don’t they come and take the files? They can also come look at them if they have an order right? They inspect them when going through your files for the annual inspection or whenever they come right?

According to ATF regulations; maintain for 3 years and then destroy. NYS is trying to change the system however. Same if I close the shop; maintain for 3 years and destroy with the OPTION to send to the ATF.

 

[TopShot]

I'm not so sure about the pistol thing. I was in a shop in another state back in 2024 buying some ammo. There was another guy from NY in there as well. We talked for a couple minutes, said he was from LI. He had bought a pistol and was picking it up after waiting for the amendment to his permit. I'm positive he walked out with it. No mailing anything.

He might have been from Long Island when you mentioned you were from NY.
But now resides in the state you were in with that states handgun license.
C.B.

 

[Old Jalopy]

He might have been from Long Island when you mentioned you were from NY.
But now resides in the state you were in with that states handgun license.
C.B.

NY plates, i always look so I can laugh that im not the only one going over the fence. That and the conversation between the sales guy and LI dude about NY laws and the customer showing the card. Small shop so even if you try not to listen you hear other peoples conversations.

 

[Saltwater60]

According to ATF regulations; maintain for 3 years and then destroy. NYS is trying to change the system however. Same if I close the shop; maintain for 3 years and destroy with the OPTION to send to the ATF.

No way they are maintained for only three years. I don’t believe it.

 

[Brawny71]

No way they are maintained for only three years. I don’t believe it.

ATF guidelines. You have the option to send them to the ATF after. Obtw, the 4473 is a Federal form and considered Federal property.

 

[FP1201]

Everytime i have filled out a 4473 they call it in. During that phone your name, address, Ss (if provided) and type of gun has been provided to the person over the phone. And as was always suspected, that information is being retained, even though its not supposed to be.

Thughes and you are mostly correct: With NYS being the point of contact (which is misleading because the Third Party Provider actually doing the Check is in Austin Texas) The NICS information follows Federal Law (See the Brady Act) HOWEVER New York ADDED to the check a requirement for the Dealer to supply additional information consisting of the applicants NY Client ID number (Drivers Licenses) SSN# (optional on the Fed side, required by NY) the Make, Serial Number, Model, and Caliber be submitted, and in the case of an Ammo Check it's essentially the same except they want your occupation, and IIRC (at least at the inception) they wanted an e-mail address and phone number...so other than your Mothers Maiden Name and the Name of your Childhood Pet, they have every piece of Personally Identifying Information on you...and yet there's no abjections due to fear of identity theft.
Handguns still have all the information requirements to by filled out, but that's another Branch of the NYSP that's unbelievably fucked to the point they requested the Legislature require a five year renewal/recertification where the Licensee supplied their information and disclosing the Pistols they had and they STILL couldn't get their shit together so it was changed to every three years.
IF (un)Civil War ever comes to NY, I sincerely hope the end results in a complete and prejudice removal of every person in Govt. with a (D) behind their name.

 

[pshift]

I won't buy ammo here either. I refuse to take part in the illegal registry.

I know this isn't popular to a lot of folks when I say this, but I can go buy all the pot I want and get high in NY, but I have to get permission to buy ammunition. How fucked up is that shit?


Shall not be infringed! means I don't have to ask for permission. From anyone.

Pot smokers are not a threat to the establishment. Gun owners are...

 

[thughes]

Pot smokers are not a threat to the establishment. Gun owners are...

Exactly. Soma and Gin for everybody!