Just under $1,000 MSRP and sig is nice enough to not give you sights....
New Sig AR-15.....
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.308 Win
I think Sig should just stick to pistols. To many in the AR game ......
Sometimes branching out to much leads to the downfall of a company.
Not saying it will here ....... just saying.
Sometimes branching out to much leads to the downfall of a company.
Not saying it will here ....... just saying.
GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
I’d rather have their MCX. Why even make an AR?
Karpteach
6.5 Creedmoor
I have their piston driven AR and live it. It’s a little heavier yet, it eats anything.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
But it's an M400 which means it is 396 times better than an M4!
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
Sig doing sig things
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Hmmmm, do they have a shoulder stock for the P396? Giddyap!
Robin
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
who needs sights .. i can hit a woodchuck on the run with a certain gun .. front leg gone 2 in the back , rear leg gone .. and ammo in the mag still .. ask my neighbor .. BTW i only had 7 rnds to start with and was shooting from the hip with a rifle ..
waiting for @Robin to add a scope to them kick ass muskets he makes
LOL ..
PS how to hold a Rifle ,, @Dayten lol ..
waiting for @Robin to add a scope to them kick ass muskets he makes
LOL ..PS how to hold a Rifle ,, @Dayten
lol ..
Many, most even, AR15s don't come with sights from the factory these days. Neither of my Daniel Defense rifles did, though you can order them with their very nice fixed sights...... at additional cost. Most shooters will probably replace what they came with anyway.
@Dayten, thumb over bore grip works and is comfortable, both my ARs are set up for it. You have more control over the muzzle. Over time your grip may gradually migrate more and more towards a magwell hold as your arm gets tired but its nice to have the option. I like the extended handguard for that reason, you can grip the forend however and wherever you please, and rest it any point along the handguard without worrying about POI shifts from barrel pressure.
As for the SIG M400. It's a solid AR I think. I'd rather have a BCM or, y'know, a DD. Nothing wrong with the SIG ARs though.
I don't know if or to what extent Colt's ongoing financial woes are affecting the quality of their ARs but they are offering a model with a CMR Mlok handguard (looks to be a 13" version) and mid length gas. Seen em online for a little under $1100. Not a bad deal really.
@Dayten, thumb over bore grip works and is comfortable, both my ARs are set up for it. You have more control over the muzzle. Over time your grip may gradually migrate more and more towards a magwell hold as your arm gets tired but its nice to have the option. I like the extended handguard for that reason, you can grip the forend however and wherever you please, and rest it any point along the handguard without worrying about POI shifts from barrel pressure.
As for the SIG M400. It's a solid AR I think. I'd rather have a BCM or, y'know, a DD. Nothing wrong with the SIG ARs though.
I don't know if or to what extent Colt's ongoing financial woes are affecting the quality of their ARs but they are offering a model with a CMR Mlok handguard (looks to be a 13" version) and mid length gas. Seen em online for a little under $1100. Not a bad deal really.
Shhhhh, he did a weekend bootcamp so he is now a rifleman and could probably school Travis Haley on real world vs Instagram tacticool
As for the 3rd part. BCM is probably now my top choice (I do love Aero Precision, their handguard are slick) and I could be wrong (happens) but didnt DD CEO come out with some bull shit anti 2A statement a few months ago, then quickly backpedaled when the wrath came down.
Great guns, but if memory serves me correctly then I'd stick with just as good of options with a better CEO....
Now to do research
Ok not so much Anti 2A persay... he just came out in support of the FixNics bill
Again not anti 2A but probably something he should have kept to himself..
DD back to being g2g in my mind..
Daniel Defense's Marty Daniel: I Was Wrong About FixNICS - The Truth About Guns
Again not anti 2A but probably something he should have kept to himself..
DD back to being g2g in my mind..
Daniel Defense's Marty Daniel: I Was Wrong About FixNICS - The Truth About Guns
Army right? Army actually has a good marksmanship program in basic. They teach good fundamentals and I think the 50-300 meter pop up qualification course is better than the fixed 400 yard range the Marines use. Or has that changed? Plus the pop ups are tremendous fun, also gives some training on the different holds needed at varying ranges, not that out to 300 there is all that much adjustment needded.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Dayten has opinions due to Gramps. That's why he only likes 30.06, Mini 30's, and Berettas because that's what Gramps has. He doesn't like the extended grip because Gramps is older and never taught him that way.
All that shit will change once he goes through boot camp and gets older. Right now, he only has one person to refer to.
All that shit will change once he goes through boot camp and gets older. Right now, he only has one person to refer to.
Marty had diarrhea of the mouth(keyboard?).
It was dumb and ill informed but he walked that back real quick too. I raised my eyebrow too but it's not anywhere near as bad as what Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms pulled.
Daniel Defense makes an excellent product, I can fully vouch for that. Street prices are far below the MSRP. I paid $1380 or some such for mine.
Plus factor in they replaced the first one simply because I wanted the thing refinished in Cerakote becuse the hydrodip finish wasn't holding up well. So for that $1380 I essentially got two rifles.
Army doesn't teach thumb over bore, nor do they field the extended, free floated handguard necessary for it........... yet. Both the Marines and Army are in the early stages of moving the Mlok free float handguards. It's just the best way to do it now. You save weight and gain flexibility.
On a 16" barrel I like a 15" handguard.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Marines do fixed 200, 300, and 500 slow fire and rapid fire.
I believe the fixed system is superior to pop-ups having done both to qualify in. I served in both services.
With the fixed, it shows your shooting fundamentals. You can see where you hit after each shot during slow fire and adjust accordingly to the wind. I've even changed my zero on the fly entirety during qualification after seeing it wasn't where it was supposed to be after BZO. I don't know what happened but it was totally off from the day before.
With pop-ups, you don't learn fundamentals. You don't know where your shots go. You don't really learn how to adjust your zero. If your BZO is screwed up, you just have to live with it. Most of the fundamentals are gone due to the shooter trying to go for speed and hitting everything that pops up. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's best to learn how to shoot, learn how to adjust for real world wind, learn how to breathe and follow through. After you qualify and can show that you actually know how to shoot, you then go to advanced training where you do pop-ups, moving targets, and night shooting the next day.
I may be a little biased since I did more time in the Marines then I did with the Army but I think the Marine training is better.
Sadly the military is usually pretty far behind on modern shooting techniques
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That thumb over bore is just for CQB. The Army (well a platoon sgt) probably on his own taught us that when doing CQB drills.
Anything else and Dayten's Fudd method is best.
No, what you say makes sense.
Pop ups are still more fun though
I don't know if it was ever implemented, and it probably wasn't, but I remember reading in the Army Times there was a plan to enhance the target silhouettes with a system that would show shot placement up in the range master's booth.
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@Podmonkey oh and I completely agree tha DD guns are top notch
I use it for any offhand shooting. I don't lock my elbow out though, I keep a little bend in it. Nor do I have a ridiculously exaggerated C-clamp grip, just the pad of my thumb atop the Pic rail.
Supported shooting is obviously greatly aided with an extended and free floated handguard.
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The barrels are excellent, great accuracy that renders the notion that chrome lined, cold hammer forged construction isn't as accurate flase.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yep. The Platoon Sgt who was an actual Ranger (not just a patch) taught us the thumb over bore when we were doing our own CQB practice with the platoon on his own. He also taught us not to do the Army way of going in with your rifle at the ready when entering a room because it could be grabbed by someone hiding next to the door and cause a pile up. He had us come in at the low ready and bring it up as we were entering the room.
The Army and Marines teach the manual but like everything else, you learn the better way once you actually get out to your unit.
Did the wrong quote.
But I think I mentioned that they dont have the time or money to keep up with modern tactics, if I didn't I meant to
Well when you have hundreds of thousands of troops to train you can't afford to chase after every little fad. If a technique becomes established it will filter down to the initial training. A lot of current shooting technique is based on paratical experience of soliders in the field to begin with.
Fixed it.