New Whitehouse.gov Petition - Pres. Trump, please give us a legitimate 9/11 Investigation

[Jackrabbit]

The buildings were interconnected. The fuel dropped down into the interconnected basement where the fire went to when the buildings collapsed.

How much explosive or fuel do you think it would take to bring down a building? Huh. People were in building 7 before it went on fire. Do you think someone could hide/bring in that much without being noticed?

I like this forum! At least you guys seem to have come up with good reasons for what you believe. So many people I talk to refuse to believe that our government could lie to us, and that's the only basis for their beliefs. Talk about misplaced faith.

First time I've heard about fuel dropping down. An interesting theory, but how did it drop through so many floors of the WTC towers, especially considering the fires and the initial fireballs? The fuel would have been long since consumed before it could have made it down so far.

Lots of explosives? Oh yes, it would have taken a lot. And I agree with you; no way they could have been placed on the fly after the plane strikes. Did you know that 3-4 months prior to the attacks, there were massive elevator renovations in the WTC complex of buildings? Did you know that access to the elevators also afforded access to the central structural beams of the buildings?

Perhaps most interesting to me is that several news outlets reported WTC 7 was going to come down.... before it did. You can clearly see it in the background skyline of these news reports, the videos are publicly accessible on YouTube. So the explosives were in place already, at least in WTC 7. Is it standard SOP to have a self-destruct built into buildings where federal offices are situated? (WTC7 was home to an FBI office) If so, who made the decision to destroy the building? If not, who placed the explosives?

P.S. And sorry for calling you guys sheeple.... It was a.... *eherm* baah haa haad thing to say.

 

[cgrutt]

Suggest reading this.

World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9/11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest

Full report available for download in links within article.

BTW it wasn't FBI it was Secret Service. I know because when they lost their space they took over the space I was at and the company i worked for needed to move.

 

[Defilade]

Sorry I'm not buying it. There are a lot of unanswered questions that horrific day. I certainly don't have the answers. Never in History has a Steel Concrete building EVER come down due to fire! Not before or after 911 but 3 came down the same way. Common sense says while watching the Buildings come down the way they did it in their own footprint it wasn't by fire. If you were to find another example of how they came down, the only ones you could possibly fine would be controlled demolitions.

I guess what I am getting at is... How can one say the Buildings came down due to fire when buildings like these have never come down that way yet there are thousands of Buildings that came down this exact way due to controlled Demolitions? Screwy Logic I guess?

 

[capitalcrew]

You're confusing correlation with causation. It's a common mistake.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Sorry I'm not buying it. There are a lot of unanswered questions that horrific day. I certainly don't have the answers. Never in History has a Steel Concrete building EVER come down due to fire! Not before or after 911 but 3 came down the same way. Common sense says while watching the Buildings come down the way they did it in their own footprint it wasn't by fire. If you were to find another example of how they came down, the only ones you could possibly fine would be controlled demolitions.

I guess what I am getting at is... How can one say the Buildings came down due to fire when buildings like these have never come down that way yet there are thousands of Buildings that came down this exact way due to controlled Demolitions? Screwy Logic I guess?

Argument from ignorance fallacy or black swan fallacy. Take your pick.

 

[Truebeliever]

Sorry I'm not buying it. There are a lot of unanswered questions that horrific day. I certainly don't have the answers. Never in History has a Steel Concrete building EVER come down due to fire! Not before or after 911 but 3 came down the same way. Common sense says while watching the Buildings come down the way they did it in their own footprint it wasn't by fire. If you were to find another example of how they came down, the only ones you could possibly fine would be controlled demolitions.

I guess what I am getting at is... How can one say the Buildings came down due to fire when buildings like these have never come down that way yet there are thousands of Buildings that came down this exact way due to controlled Demolitions? Screwy Logic I guess?

The building was designed to collapse in its footprint because the politicians in NYC were worried that if it ever toppled, it would take out a a quarter of a mile of Manhattan. Also, unlike other buildings the shell of the building was the structure with little support columns inside.

Have you ever seen a controlled demolition and how much prep it takes. They have to cut pillars, wrap explosives through out the building that it takes weeks to do, minimum.

Remember the first trade center bombing. It knocked out floors. Floors! With a truck bomb inside the interior parking garage. The building was in no danger of falling. The main danger was the fumes from the fire and potential cynide poisoning.

The steel was heated by jet fuel and its melting/weak point was found . That's why the collapse. How many other buildings were dougst in jet fuel? Not many building fires ever reach those temperatures.

Again, asrson investigators and explosive experts were there before, during and after the collapse. If something was there, they would have found it.

Do have any idea how many explosives would be needed to bring it down. The people in the building would have seen it

 

[Defilade]

The building was designed to collapse in its footprint because the politicians in NYC were worried that if it ever toppled, it would take out a a quarter of a mile of Manhattan. Also, unlike other buildings the shell of the building was the structure with little support columns inside.

Have you ever seen a controlled demolition and how much prep it takes. They have to cut pillars, wrap explosives through out the building that it takes weeks to do, minimum.

Remember the first trade center bombing. It knocked out floors. Floors! With a truck bomb inside the interior parking garage. The building was in no danger of falling. The main danger was the fumes from the fire and potential cynide poisoning.

The steel was heated by jet fuel and its melting/weak point was found . That's why the collapse. How many other buildings were dougst in jet fuel? Not many building fires ever reach those temperatures.

Again, asrson investigators and explosive experts were there before, during and after the collapse. If something was there, they would have found it.

Do have any idea how many explosives would be needed to bring it down. The people in the building would have seen it

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The building was designed to collapse in its footprint because the politicians in NYC were worried that if it ever toppled, it would take out a a quarter of a mile of Manhattan. Also, unlike other buildings the shell of the building was the structure with little support columns inside.

Have you ever seen a controlled demolition and how much prep it takes. They have to cut pillars, wrap explosives through out the building that it takes weeks to do, minimum.

Remember the first trade center bombing. It knocked out floors. Floors! With a truck bomb inside the interior parking garage. The building was in no danger of falling. The main danger was the fumes from the fire and potential cynide poisoning.

The steel was heated by jet fuel and its melting/weak point was found . That's why the collapse. How many other buildings were dougst in jet fuel? Not many building fires ever reach those temperatures.

Again, asrson investigators and explosive experts were there before, during and after the collapse. If something was there, they would have found it.

Do have any idea how many explosives would be needed to bring it down. The people in the building would have seen it

Where is this Horrendous fire you speak of with WTC 7? I've seen multiple videos on it and see virtually nothing (Fire related) that would take down a building that size unless it is a controlled Demo. Share some examples! I could show you thousands of buildings that come down the exact way due to explosives. Here are MULTIPLE high rises that burned out for hours if not for days and never came down. always question what your Government tells you to be fact. We all know how that turns out!

Other Fires in Steel-Structure Buildings

 

[capitalcrew]

There's that pesky causation issue again.

Just because something looks the same doesn't mean the same thing caused it.

 

[Truebeliever]

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Where is this Horrendous fire you speak of with WTC 7? I've seen multiple videos on it and see virtually nothing (Fire related) that would take down a building that size unless it is a controlled Demo. Share some examples! I could show you thousands of buildings that come down the exact way due to explosives. Here are MULTIPLE high rises that burned out for hours if not for days and never came down. always question what your Government tells you to be fact. We all know how that turns out!

Other Fires in Steel-Structure Buildings

Did you see the people jumping. Why? The fire? No one I saw jumping was actually on fire. It was the heat from the jet fuel burning that drove them to jump.

Where did the jet fuel go? The small fireball you saw would not have been close to the amount on the jetliner fueled to go to California.

It ran down into the buildings and when the collapses happened the remaining fuel went to the basement sub passages.

As far as explosives? Yes they can cause a similar result but look at the amount needed to do it and the prep work needed. It takes weeks to set up.

We had explosive experts in the building who responded to it. Don't you think they would have noticed it? Think about it. Do you think they would have continued into the building if it was wired to blow or at least stopped their sons( yes their actual kids) from entering. These experts lost brothers and for some, their own children.

Remember, unlike those other fires, the fire was jet fuel which burns hotter than most fires. Also the structure was weakened by the impact of the plane as well as stripping some of the fire redardant off the steel. And the Tiwers were designed to implode if they collapsed from the very beginning of its design as a safety feature to the rest of the city. Watch the history channel special on it you don't believe me. It was filmed before 9/11.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

People have a right to request people to join a petition for whatever BUT I personally believe this and other petitions should be on hold until AFTER the President gets His full staff in place and weathers the storm the left is throwing at him.

Did the Government lie ???? How can that be asked !!!!!! They ALWAYS tell the truth...........anyone want a bridge ??

 

[cgrutt]

He's talking about WTC 7. Fires were started on lower floors due to debris from collapse of WTC 1. The burned uncontrollably (mostly furnishings and contents) due to failure of sprinkler system and damage to backup sprinkler system from collapse of the two towers. Heat caused thermal expansion within structure and structure failed at floor 13 which caused a cascading failure of support structure and pancake collapse of building similar to both towers.

Hate to do this to everyone but Rosie thinks it was a conspiracy too
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So you ask where's the fire. Fair enough. But where's the report of all the explosives that would be required to take building down? Its not on any videos and was never reported by any witnesses. Just saying...

 

[Truebeliever]

Trust me when I tell you.

That fire was hot. The deustch bank building fire was hot too.

If there were any clue that it didn't happen the way it did, the investigators there on scene before, during and right after would have found it.

What makes you think another investigation on top of the dozen others would find something they couldn't. Real investigators ,and not crack pots, who would have personal reasons to find such a person behind it.

 

[Jackrabbit]

 

[Jackrabbit]

People have a right to request people to join a petition for whatever BUT I personally believe this and other petitions should be on hold until AFTER the President gets His full staff in place and weathers the storm the left is throwing at him.

Did the Government lie ???? How can that be asked !!!!!! They ALWAYS tell the truth...........anyone want a bridge ??

Getting this petition signed doesn't force the Pres. to do anything RIGHT NOW necessarily, but it WILL force the White House to acknowledge the 9/11 truth movement and it WILL show that the American people haven't forgotten, and that we still want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

 

[Robin]

Well Jack, if you really want to catch the government in a lie or series of lies, Try an event where facts and the official statements blatantly conflict, like Sandy Hook.
WTC has been proven beyond doubt.
Robin

 

[Defilade]

Did you see the people jumping. Why? The fire? No one I saw jumping was actually on fire. It was the heat from the jet fuel burning that drove them to jump.

Where did the jet fuel go? The small fireball you saw would not have been close to the amount on the jetliner fueled to go to California.

It ran down into the buildings and when the collapses happened the remaining fuel went to the basement sub passages.

As far as explosives? Yes they can cause a similar result but look at the amount needed to do it and the prep work needed. It takes weeks to set up.

We had explosive experts in the building who responded to it. Don't you think they would have noticed it? Think about it. Do you think they would have continued into the building if it was wired to blow or at least stopped their sons( yes their actual kids) from entering. These experts lost brothers and for some, their own children.

Remember, unlike those other fires, the fire was jet fuel which burns hotter than most fires. Also the structure was weakened by the impact of the plane as well as stripping some of the fire redardant off the steel. And the Tiwers were designed to implode if they collapsed from the very beginning of its design as a safety feature to the rest of the city. Watch the history channel special on it you don't believe me. It was filmed before 9/11.

It ran down into the buildings and when the collapses happened the remaining fuel went to the basement sub passages.

<-------- Your Joking right? LOL Sub passages? Furthermore while yes of course there was fire but a TON of SMOKE! Heavy Smoke is a key indicator that the fire is going out and being robbed of O2.

Here, let's listen to some of the Professionals on the scene along with the media that day shall we?

 

[capitalcrew]

If anyone is curious a 747 can hold 48k gallons of fuel.

That's 6417 cubic feet. Per Plane.

Just in case you think you saw all of the fuel burn up.

 

[Defilade]

If anyone is curious a 747 can hold 48k gallons of fuel.

That's 6417 cubic feet. Per Plane.

Just in case you think you saw all of the fuel burn up.

So when you light fuel only part of it burns up?

 

[Defilade]

Looks like Trump gets it.

 

[capitalcrew]

Uh, yeah guy. That's correct. Pour some gas in a cup and light it, lmk how long it burns. It's a lot longer than "all at once". Fuel VAPORS burn, not liquid fuel.

 

[Jackrabbit]

If anyone is curious a 747 can hold 48k gallons of fuel.

That's 6417 cubic feet. Per Plane.

Just in case you think you saw all of the fuel burn up.

All that fuel just happened to seep through NUMEROUS BURNING floors of the WTC towers and pool ONLY under Building 7?

 

[capitalcrew]

Yes that's exactly what I said. You got me.

 

[Defilade]

Uh, yeah guy. That's correct. Pour some gas in a cup and light it, lmk how long it burns. It's a lot longer than "all at once". Fuel VAPORS burn, not liquid fuel.

Lol If you say so Hard charger. Hardly any fire to say so in those buildings. Just amazing how this building did not come down after burning for days. Guess it wasn't jet fuel. lol

 

[capitalcrew]

I don't understand how you can think that just because they are both buildings and both had a fire that they are in some way the same.

 

[holdover]

I never believed in the story from day 1. Three air wings with the dedicated mission to protect the skies over the capital during a time of war sat on the tarmac for over an hour when NORAD Knew we were under attack before 9Am . Those in the military understand that this is impossible unless the order to stand down was given. They are trained to react with out orders given in a time of war. They did nothing and they violated every protocol the military had.

The fact that they knew it was OBL before the towers fell .

The fact that some passports and identification of hijackers were found as evidence on the street below the towers by FBI agents (nobody else did). which means they survived the impact fireball and explosions and 100 stories decent and survived while the black boxes did not.

The actions of the hijackers before the attacks,

The names of the hijackers never appeared on any the flight manifests.

There is a shit ton of evidence That points to the fact that we were not told the truth.

 

[holdover]

The fire and collapse is a red herring . The government gathered the evidence, the government tested the evidence the government reported what they found . and they concluded they had done nothing wrong.

The physical evidence is gone. and so is any case depending on it.

 

[cgrutt]

Lol If you say so Hard charger. Hardly any fire to say so in those buildings. Just amazing how this building did not come down after burning for days. Guess it wasn't jet fuel. lol

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It also looks as if it didn't have 42 extra stories of concrete, glass and steel, and all the weight that goes with it, above it but apples to apples, right? Believe what you want to believe.

 

[Defilade]

I don't understand how you can think that just because they are both buildings and both had a fire that they are in some way the same.

Well like the video posted before, many people on scene could hear demolitions going off. Sure looked like it, ehh? You do realize the size on those steel beams in those buildings? Your not going to take buildings down that size without perfect burning conditions for many, many hours if not days. There was lots of smoke. Not much fire.

 

[spat]

If you told me that the government knew about the attack and someone let it happen anyway so that they could use it as an excuse to grab power, I'd buy that conspiracy. If you told me that the CIA secretly was behind the hijackers for the same reason, maybe. But to suggest that all that shenanigans was going on, but they performed a controlled demolition rather than just getting some patsy to fly the planes (or RC the planes maybe), why would they bother ?

To me thats like suggesting the Kennedy assassination was staged to cover up the fact that he was poisoned the day before.....

 

[Defilade]

It also looks as if it didn't have 42 extra stories of concrete, glass and steel, and all the weight that goes with it, above it but apples to apples, right? Believe what you want to believe.

I'm sure it did at one time before the fire.

Other Fires in Steel-Structure Buildings