NEWSFLASH: Pistol Permit Recertification
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fartgamer
.223 Rem
I'm on my way!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No, you aren't getting it.
PA they don't know but want to run a BGC on you every 5 or so years.
NY they know and want to run a BGC on you every 5 years.
What's the difference? Both states run a BGC on you every 5 or so years.
If this was the first time you had to list your guns then I'd agree with you.
fartgamer
.223 Rem
Can't one own property in two states? Main domicile being NC with another property in NY.
And wasn't there a court ruling saying you can keep your NYS permit as long as you have a residence in NY?
The biggest difference is if you lose your license in NY you lose all of your firearms, in PA you just cannot carry concealed any longer and they are not building a hack able database in PA.
fartgamer
.223 Rem
I'm pretty sure....PA might not list your handguns on your license but every sale gets sent to the PSP.
Also, no private handgun transfers, they must go thru an FFL.(that's for certain)
Also, no private handgun transfers, they must go thru an FFL.(that's for certain)
You as a NY resident cannot buy a handgun in PA , a nonresident PA CC permit has no reference to handguns owned.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That's the Sullivan Act and the Unsafe Act. We know that already.
Right so recertification is just another chance for the state to deny your rights. It is just another Level of BS from the evil Empire State.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Agreed. But it doesn't affect those of us with updated licenses that live here any different than before except for the paperwork every 5 years.
If you get reported by a doctor now, they'll still come for you as evidenced in other threads in old forums. This affects those that die and move away.
It's funny. Nobody complains that they will not comply when they buy a new pistol and report it to the county and the state. That they'll gladly do. Every 3 or 4 months even.
Taking a stand on this particular issue and willing to lose everything is idiotic when there are more severe issues in the Unsafe Act that actually affect us directly.
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Gunright
.45 acp
Yes, if you are a resident of PA and you buy a handgun there, the sale information is provided to the state. However, if you legally purchase your handguns in another state (that is, you were a resident of another state when you purchased them) and you move to PA, no registration is done. In addition, you can transfer spouse to spouse, parent to child, grand parent to child. See PA code 6111(d).
The 'sales' database was declared legal by the PA Supreme court, even though PA law states:
"An application/record of sale received by the Pennsylvania State Police pursuant to this subsection shall be destroyed within 72 hours of the completion of the criminal history, juvenile delinquency and mental health records background check."
and
"Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to allow any government or law enforcement agency or any agent thereof to create, maintain or operate any registry of firearm ownership within this commonwealth."
It isn't just us New Yorkers who have judges who twist words to allow the state to infringe on rights.
Yeah, I agree this is not the sword I am willing to fall on. I don't like registering every purchace with the county, it is the system in place. I cannot wait to see the Sullivan act and the SAFE act declared unconstitutional but, I am not holding my breath that it will happen in my lifetime.
If you are a PA resident and buy a handgun in NY it gets shipped to a PA FFL and they do the transfer. NY isn't really involved.
Gunright
.45 acp
Have no idea of why you are quoting me on this, I was simply trying to explain the PA registration law....nothing to do at all with NY.
Regardless of state, federal law requires you do a FFL to FFL transfer for an inter-state transfer.
With all due respect, I very clearly did not miss that point, and I agree, It's pretty glaring.
I have pistols on my permit that I never had a BGC for. (*GASP*, but before SAFE that is how it was done. Cash and carry.)
Who tracks that stuff?
Who confirms it?
2 amendments ago a CC screwed up my permit with an incorrect serial? Who screwed it up? Me in this re-cert process? The state? The clerk? The 1989 Denver Broncos?
How many old timers with "I sold/lost that gun years ago" stories!?
Yeah, too confusing. None for me, thanks.
Nah, Refrigerator Perry screwed it up...either that or it was Bob Dole.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
One in the chamber or not?
Tiring...
But can anyone please provide examples now that we are 3 years in of the State going door to door searching for all those non-registered firearms they know exist?
Point has been made, that the law, only has validity, if people Voluntarily comply with it. See the point? But I guess the point gets lost, because people have posted, gee, they already have your info! My response is yeah, ok, so what?
When they come knocking, search, and find nothing.. What then? Please explain to me what?
Permits, license, permission, compliance, etc... All BS!
Fact of the matter is the Safe Act is transferring the licensing by renewal to the State Police, not keeping it with the issuing authority, or County as it is or has been. What was the problem there? What was the necessity? It removes this control from a local and transfers it to regional/state control. Not OK! Furthermore, it's an unfunded mandate, to require the counties provide records to the State Police for verification, etc. Fuck it all! You think the State has all your info.? Really, that's a joke! They can't set up a simple database to record commercial ammunition transactions. See the irony?
And yeah, I may submit, or maybe not, when and if ever that notice shows up in my post box. Depending on how I feel at the moment, will help me decide! But my point I've made here or with this type of discussion is that if every single PERMITTED person in this State decided to resist, it doesn't matter if they come, they can't, and won't come for us all. They couldn't handle it, process it, it would fold like a cheap $2 whore! What will they do with the thousands upon thousands of permit holders who are not breaking any law other than not allowing themselves to be required to be PERMITTED in order to exercise a Right!
Ok, lemme go make some popcorn...
But can anyone please provide examples now that we are 3 years in of the State going door to door searching for all those non-registered firearms they know exist?
Point has been made, that the law, only has validity, if people Voluntarily comply with it. See the point? But I guess the point gets lost, because people have posted, gee, they already have your info! My response is yeah, ok, so what?
When they come knocking, search, and find nothing.. What then? Please explain to me what?
Permits, license, permission, compliance, etc... All BS!
Fact of the matter is the Safe Act is transferring the licensing by renewal to the State Police, not keeping it with the issuing authority, or County as it is or has been. What was the problem there? What was the necessity? It removes this control from a local and transfers it to regional/state control. Not OK! Furthermore, it's an unfunded mandate, to require the counties provide records to the State Police for verification, etc. Fuck it all! You think the State has all your info.? Really, that's a joke! They can't set up a simple database to record commercial ammunition transactions. See the irony?
And yeah, I may submit, or maybe not, when and if ever that notice shows up in my post box. Depending on how I feel at the moment, will help me decide! But my point I've made here or with this type of discussion is that if every single PERMITTED person in this State decided to resist, it doesn't matter if they come, they can't, and won't come for us all. They couldn't handle it, process it, it would fold like a cheap $2 whore! What will they do with the thousands upon thousands of permit holders who are not breaking any law other than not allowing themselves to be required to be PERMITTED in order to exercise a Right!
Ok, lemme go make some popcorn...
Man what fools..
Only if you re-certified in NY and have an ammo card from Florida
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
From the thread on the other site about recert. Shall we tell him?
Greywolf224
6.5 Creedmoor
Gunner57
.223 Rem
From the thread on the other site about recert. Shall we tell him?
No, let him bounce around in empty rooms for a while.
My foreseeings on this whole load of bullshit is this..after the first round of guniea pigs sends in all their paperwork from multiple counties from every corner of the State, the database and systems that were crammed into play only months after inception are going to crash and burn. Then the whole process will be put out on hiatus, and the ones that did the paperwork are gonna be in limbo wondering what the hell is really going on and were their private, personal information really is floating in the State, and the ones that did nothing are going to be cheering with joy for not rushing into a broken system of fragmented departments. Then with Trump and the country beginning to ease up a tad on the 2nd amendment issues, this will just fall down the deep dark well. That's not even taking into consideration that Cuomo will lose his next attempt at Governorship and this will just be another thread like the fear of serial numbers that are going on every round...
Obviously there's 2 different types of people (and more than that even) but after reading through this whole thread, there's gonna be the ones that do it quick, the ones that do it when they feel, the ones that are going to wait for the last day and then the ones that will do nothing (until they get the last scariest served letter at their door), as anything in life, it's the "each to his own theory"..
Obviously there's 2 different types of people (and more than that even) but after reading through this whole thread, there's gonna be the ones that do it quick, the ones that do it when they feel, the ones that are going to wait for the last day and then the ones that will do nothing (until they get the last scariest served letter at their door), as anything in life, it's the "each to his own theory"..
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You are painting the picture that they will go or have gone suited up door to door with battering rams and flashbangs. That isn't the case.
You want examples. There are many of them if you take the time to look for them. It starts out as a letter of revocation or suspension. At that point most people lawyer up. The few that don't will usually get a visit from the police without incident. This is why you don't hear about it often. People aren't going out in blazes of glory because they are for the most part law abiding.
As far as validity goes, we all see that. That phrase can be repeated over and over and the person repeating it can sound cool but even he knows it's just a phrase. I could do the same too. No one here likes the law. But also, no one here is dumb enough to think that every single gun owner will not comply. For that to work, you need 100 percent participation. No one here in this very forum is native enough to think it's possible in this state let alone today's country.
Anyone choosing this particular issue to fall on the sword and lose it all including their ability to defend themselves taking a symbolic stand when they did not do so when the whole Unsafe Act was passed, makes me question their judgement and logic.
That's not a smart move in my opinion. I view the guy who is complying on paper while stashing ammo and uncompliant weapons for the big fight much more logical.
In the end, all will comply. Except for Darth. That guy is gangsta.
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GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
It's all about control. Eventually they will want to streamline things and take it out of the county's hands. You will have to get your vouchers approved by the state and will take a year to get it done.
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
Just so the general public knows, the NYS Troopers letters to permit owners had "bad barcodes". It would not sort properly. We rarely get mail like this <10x a year. Coincidence?
I think 60-70% non-compliance would be sufficient to cause enough angst in order for the State to re-examine it's rule, or law in this case. I'm not a follower, might be a little obvious in my posts, and wouldn't want or need to wait and know or see if everyone was in, then so am I.
My point was more relative to the existence of the "State" at all and how govt or law exists.
Yeah, 100% would be great and completely nullify the law, especially since its design was to largely target and affect already existing gun-owners and not the criminal element. The irony of it all is they created a law, enhancing a law, or changing a law, to address those who already disregard the law, is pointless and meaningless. So if the law abiding decide to also ignore it, then what?
For the record, it hasn't happened, there hasn't been a large scale door to door recovery effort with regard to long guns known to exist and not registered. And their is no logistical support or financial support either to do so. The State couldn't sustain that type of action financially nor could the courts handle the burden on their already busy schedules.
So yeah, my luck would be I'd be the first, Hahaha, just the way my brain works, but honestly, if everyone decided they just weren't gonna take it any more, and I don't mean being taken from a pile of brass lifeless, just that they were going to resist "Rule" by planning and making sure there was a program to deny the State it's ability to effectuate any compliance with the law by safe, effective methods, they then (State) would have to cave.
So in all seriousness, what's the worst? Jailed for contempt? Search finds no firearms and you offer no information as to the whereabouts, what law has been broken? Think the State would want that challenge? Like I said, you receive notice to re-register now with the NYSP, you don't. Eventually they come knock at the door, you're nice, they maybe have, maybe don't yet have warrant, but come to interview you as to why you haven't, like are you still living where they sent notice, and they discover that you do not have any weapons previously registered. But you refuse to supply any I do other than you still own them but they are no longer in this State. Hmmmm... Let's say they're in VA, where non-residents don't require permits (only to carry). Do you honestly think that this is a problem for you? I think not!
My point was more relative to the existence of the "State" at all and how govt or law exists.
Yeah, 100% would be great and completely nullify the law, especially since its design was to largely target and affect already existing gun-owners and not the criminal element. The irony of it all is they created a law, enhancing a law, or changing a law, to address those who already disregard the law, is pointless and meaningless. So if the law abiding decide to also ignore it, then what?
For the record, it hasn't happened, there hasn't been a large scale door to door recovery effort with regard to long guns known to exist and not registered. And their is no logistical support or financial support either to do so. The State couldn't sustain that type of action financially nor could the courts handle the burden on their already busy schedules.
So yeah, my luck would be I'd be the first, Hahaha, just the way my brain works, but honestly, if everyone decided they just weren't gonna take it any more, and I don't mean being taken from a pile of brass lifeless, just that they were going to resist "Rule" by planning and making sure there was a program to deny the State it's ability to effectuate any compliance with the law by safe, effective methods, they then (State) would have to cave.
So in all seriousness, what's the worst? Jailed for contempt? Search finds no firearms and you offer no information as to the whereabouts, what law has been broken? Think the State would want that challenge? Like I said, you receive notice to re-register now with the NYSP, you don't. Eventually they come knock at the door, you're nice, they maybe have, maybe don't yet have warrant, but come to interview you as to why you haven't, like are you still living where they sent notice, and they discover that you do not have any weapons previously registered. But you refuse to supply any I do other than you still own them but they are no longer in this State. Hmmmm... Let's say they're in VA, where non-residents don't require permits (only to carry). Do you honestly think that this is a problem for you? I think not!