No surprise, but China arresting students for free speech violations.

[Saltwater60]

Prosecution in China of student for tweets he posted while studying in U.S. raises free speech concerns

The arrest and sentencing of a Chinese student at the University of Minnesota for tweets he posted while studying in the U.S. raise concerns about restrictions on Chinese students' speech.

www.insidehighered.com

Spread this to the asshole communist supporters.

 

[libertysnake]

Prosecution in China of student for tweets he posted while studying in U.S. raises free speech concerns

The arrest and sentencing of a Chinese student at the University of Minnesota for tweets he posted while studying in the U.S. raise concerns about restrictions on Chinese students' speech.

www.insidehighered.com

Spread this to the asshole communist supporters.

A lot of people argue for the second amendment on the wrong basis. They argue from the perspective it’s a right (which it is), but which the left generally doesn’t give a fuck about.

I always argue for it from the perspective that it’s still needed. I ask “have governments stopped infringing on the rights of their people? Killing their people? Controlling their people? No? Then it’s still needed.” The day that governments become trustworthy benefactors is the day I’ll concede we should lay down our arms.

This sort of stuff is just fuel for that belief.

 

[Saltwater60]

A lot of people argue for the second amendment on the wrong basis. They argue from the perspective it’s a right (which it is), but which the left generally doesn’t give a fuck about.

I always argue for it from the perspective that it’s still needed. I ask “have governments stopped infringing on the rights of their people? Killing their people? Controlling their people? No? Then it’s still needed.” The day that governments become trustworthy benefactors is the day I’ll concede we should lay down our arms.

This sort of stuff is just fuel for that belief.

Absolutely correct. It’s amazing that government trust in the USA has been declining for years yet these newer voters are so willing to give the government more money, power, and control over their lives. It amazes me more and more everyday what people are willing to give up.

 

[spat]

Absolutely correct. It’s amazing that government trust in the USA has been declining for years yet these newer voters are so willing to give the government more money, power, and control over their lives. It amazes me more and more everyday what people are willing to give up.

They yell that Trump is about to ship them off to concentration camps on one breath, and then yell that nobody needs an AR in the next.

The level of cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Still, *some* on the left have woken up to the fact that you do not want to trust government, so at least their TDS is good for something.

 

[Catskillkid]

Their attitude is "my tyrant is better than your tyrant." They can't seem to grasp that when the gas chambers are done filling the deploreables, they will likely be next.

The Leviathan needs constant feeding. And the revolution, like Saturn, always devours its children.

 

[Toecutter]

I wonder if this law was passed in NY if police would enforce it because its not their job to interpret the constitution but to enforce the will of government on citizens.

 

[spat]

I wonder if this law was passed in NY if police would enforce it because its not their job to interpret the constitution but to enforce the will of government on citizens.

I'm sure they could find enough who were willing to make it work.

Most of the cops enforceing it wouldn't even realize it. There would be a small number of Gestapo who knew what was going on, and they would do the paperwork. The rest would just get an order to pick up so and so on a warrant and they would just trust the system and do it.

There weren't that many Germans who would have been willing to murder jewish kids, but there were millions who helped and just pretended it wasn't their responsibility.

 

[libertysnake]

I'm sure they could find enough who were willing to make it work.

Most of the cops enforceing it wouldn't even realize it. There would be a small number of Gestapo who knew what was going on, and they would do the paperwork. The rest would just get an order to pick up so and so on a warrant and they would just trust the system and do it.

There weren't that many Germans who would have been willing to murder jewish kids, but there were millions who helped and just pretended it wasn't their responsibility.

I think some cops do object, and honestly see it as their responsibility to ignore that which they believe that which goes against the constitution -- which is their primary responsibility in their oath.

Then again, there are others who are just waiting for the pension and don't give a damn as long as they get theirs, and would probably just follow through without giving it much thought like you said.

It's a mixed bag. I think it's a mistake to lump them all together. Police, just like everyone else, are neither good nor bad, but rather are defined by their actions and their conscience. Praise or criticize on their individual merits or wrongdoings is all we can do.

 

[spat]

I think some cops do object, and honestly see it as their responsibility to ignore that which they believe that which goes against the constitution -- which is their primary responsibility in their oath.

Then again, there are others who are just waiting for the pension and don't give a damn as long as they get theirs, and would probably just follow through without giving it much thought like you said.

It's a mixed bag. I think it's a mistake to lump them all together. Police, just like everyone else, are neither good nor bad, but rather are defined by their actions and their conscience. Praise or criticize on their individual merits or wrongdoings is all we can do.

You are right of course. My point is that even the "good" cops will inadvertently participate.

The guy who would refuse to enforce one of these patently unconstitutional laws, will still go and pick up someone on a bench warrant that was issued because of that.

Virtually all cops would participate in apprehending someone who resisted an arrest by one of the cops who was willing to follow any order.

Imagine the worst case scenario. President Ilhan Omar orders all the Jews rounded up and sent for reeducation. 90% of the police would refuse the order. But when you shoot one of the 10% while they are trying to load your family into a cattle car, that 90% who would refuse the initial order will enthusiastically hunt you down.

 

[Marine Cpl]

No. Not all are bad. Many are good people that generally want to do good and have families that are productive members of society. But as an organization, the organization is bad because it’s commonplace to violate the citizenry’s rights be denying them the right to bear arms and using their power to illegally search them at car stops. When it comes to the employer vs the citizenry, the police will generally always choose their employers.

 

[Blimey]

renewed concerns about whether Chinese students studying in the U.S. enjoy the same freedom as their non-Chinese classmates

Renewed concerns? The hell are they talking about?

China is a hive mind. It has no freedom of speech. It's not even like most of the western nations that don't have it but pretend they do.

China is an oppressive shithole. I have sympathy for this student getting a taste of 'Merica and forgetting that when he goes home he has to lick boots, but that is the reality if a Chinese citizen goes home.

“used his Twitter account to post more than 40 comments denigrating a national leader's image and indecent pictures”

Good. This is the sort of immigrant we need in the US. Appreciates the 1st amendment, with a healthy f you attitude. Too bad he had to go home.

 

[GOPerfect]

So, the Chinese Government arrested one of their citizens for breaking their laws?

I am okay with it.

 

[Acer-m14]

Renewed concerns? The hell are they talking about?

China is a hive mind. It has no freedom of speech. It's not even like most of the western nations that don't have it but pretend they do.

China is an oppressive shithole. I have sympathy for this student getting a taste of 'Merica and forgetting that when he goes home he has to lick boots, but that is the reality if a Chinese citizen goes home.
Good. This is the sort of immigrant we need in the US. Appreciates the 1st amendment, with a healthy f you attitude. Too bad he had to go home.

why did he have to go home .. i think he/she would have a really good case for seeing asylum here

 

[Marine Cpl]

So, the Chinese Government arrested one of their citizens for breaking their laws?

I am okay with it.

I often wonder why you say things like that. You are damned sure lucky that you were born here. That’s elitist talk.

 

[Twogunwilly]

Confucius say: He who talks bad about China leaders gets tongue removed along with head.

 

[Mosinitis]

Maybe there would more freedoms in communist countries if the West didn't use it to distabalize them. Look at all the panic and measures taken here when Russia allegedly started influencing our internal politics.
Our government routinely lies and distorts history as a propaganda tool. The people in communist countries think it's a forbidden truth. We use the same mud slinging tactics that are used in our domestic elections campaigns. Distorted picture of reality built on selective use of facts and outright lies.

 

[livingston]

Their attitude is "my tyrant is better than your tyrant." They can't seem to grasp that when the gas chambers are done filling the deploreables, they will likely be next.

The Leviathan needs constant feeding. And the revolution, like Saturn, always devours its children.

Published on May 22, 2013
Feminists and other leftists are useful idiots who serve only to destabilise the society. When the goal is reached, they will be "lined up against the wall".
1984 interview with a former KGB agent and Soviet diplomat, Yuri Bezmenov.

 

[Mosinitis]

Published on May 22, 2013
Feminists and other leftists are useful idiots who serve only to destabilise the society. When the goal is reached, they will be "lined up against the wall".
1984 interview with a former KGB agent and Soviet diplomat, Yuri Bezmenov.

For each one of these there are hundreds who will tell you how the West used propaganda and covert actions to fracture their country. Most of those who took our good intentions bait during late 80's and early 90's regret doing so, some even ended their life. It was naive to believe the West care in the slightest about lives and freedoms of people in the Soviet Union. Now decades later this is so obvious. Yeltsin and Gorbachev are very unpopular in modern Russia.

 

[livingston]

For each one of these there are hundreds who will tell you how the West used propaganda and covert actions to fracture their country. Most of those who took our good intentions bait during late 80's and early 90's regret doing so, some even ended their life. It was naive to believe the West care in the slightest about lives and freedoms of people in the Soviet Union. Now decades later this is so obvious. Yeltsin and Gorbachev are very unpopular in modern Russia.

Is he correct on how things would or do develop after the Soviet model comes to fruition ?...

 

[Blimey]

Maybe there would more freedoms in communist countries if the West didn't use it to distabalize them. Look at all the panic and measures taken here when Russia allegedly started influencing our internal politics.
Our government routinely lies and distorts history as a propaganda tool. The people in communist countries think it's a forbidden truth. We use the same mud slinging tactics that are used in our domestic elections campaigns. Distorted picture of reality built on selective use of facts and outright lies.

So this is...America's fault?

Your love for communism blinds you.

 

[Mosinitis]

Is he correct on how things would or do develop after the Soviet model comes to fruition ?...

Did this happen in Cuba? Mongolia? North Korea? China? There is always infighting between different leftist factions and revolutionaries of any leaning eventually replaced by more moderate leaders. The model he is taking about doesn't exist. Each country follows its own path.

 

[Mosinitis]

So this is...America's fault?

Your love for communism blinds you.

There are both sides to every story. Considering only one side is for the idiots. There are a lot of problems with communist ideology, that's not to say everything was wrong and everything about capitalism is right, good and wholesome. We have two political parties, but the country is controlled by wealthy and elites who own both of them.

 

[Mosinitis]

Communist party has about 8% support in today's Russia, less than in Italy, which is a NATO country. So I guess we should be the best of friends, right?

 

[Mosinitis]

Any system in China is better than destabilized chaos we are trying to bring on. While it will bring big profits to globalist mafia through lucrative deals and theft of resources from handpicked new government it will bring misery to an average Chinese citizen.

 

[GOPerfect]

I often wonder why you say things like that. You are damned sure lucky that you were born here. That’s elitist talk.

No elitist here. Granted, I am better than many, but I am not an eletist.

I have been fortunate to have traveled all around the world, I have been able to see, firsthand, the cultures and ways of life of many different peoples and nation's; what I see to be eletist is the idea that Americans have overall. Our way of life is not always better than anothers.

China has a set of rules and laws, none of my concern how they govern.