NY mulls over banning dangerous people from the subway

[Saltwater60]

I’m shocked honestly. How about the opportunity they will be losing? I thought NYS was all about forgiveness?
In all honestly I’m glad to see this and maybe they are taking this crime thing more seriously. I’m glad others are getting banned and will feel our pain. Something has to change. Will this do much, no not likely because would this be successful? Not likely.
New York State wants to ban ‘dangerous’ people in NYC subways

 

[SomeSoldier]

Yea, because they will give 2 shits about your laws.

 

[spat]

I’m shocked honestly. How about the opportunity they will be losing? I thought NYS was all about forgiveness?
In all honestly I’m glad to see this and maybe they are taking this crime thing more seriously. I’m glad others are getting banned and will feel our pain. Something has to change. Will this do much, no not likely because would this be successful? Not likely.
New York State wants to ban ‘dangerous’ people in NYC subways

How about if they're dangerous you ban then from the streets too.

Maybe even ban them from anyplace outside of a prison.

They say this will be done at sentencing. The idea of sentencing is that the dangerous people should be separated from society for long enough that they at least have a chance of evolving to be no longer dangerous.

 

[FRANKIE]

Redeploy the tunnel rats with the 1911’s
And call it a day.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

I submit everyone should get a "subway permit" which requires a background check, fingerprinting, mental stability evaluation, interview and a fee and renewable every 3 years. Also a background check every time they use the subway. Also included red flag law that allows anyone to point the finger at anyone they "think" is a threat, of course with no consequences to the accuser. This would mostly eliminate crime on the subways.

 

[Saltwater60]

I submit everyone should get a "subway permit" which requires a background check, fingerprinting, mental stability evaluation, interview and a fee and renewable every 3 years. Also a background check every time they use the subway. Also included red flag law that allows anyone to point the finger at anyone they "think" is a threat, of course with no consequences to the accuser. This would mostly eliminate crime on the subways.

You forgot 16 hours of safety training and two hours of how to ride the subway and be courteous. It also seems they need to train people on how to pay for their fair since so many cheat.
In all reality they will just do a straw purchase and have someone else buy their pass for them.

 

[stokes]

A law like this will only work after they chip you so they can track you getting on the subway.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

A law like this will only work after they chip you so they can track you getting on the subway.

IDK about that. Just recently, Radio City Music Hall (in NYC no less)was in the news (a NY Post article as I recall) over this exact thing. They scan the faces of everyone entering. And they saw a woman lawyer (or maybe a paralegal?) who worked for a law firm that was suing them. In mere moments, they caught up to her in the lobby, and trespassed her ass off the property. She was there with her kids and a bunch of other school age kids to see a performance.

They let the kids in, but kicked her ass out. Here is the article:

James Dolan uses facial software to boot lawyer he hates from Radio City

The humiliated Girl Scout mother got caught up in James Dolan’s creepy crackdown on attorneys.

nypost.com

 

[stokes]

Yeah, that happened a couple times at the Garden too. That works with a private security, on private property,it'll never work with NYC and the MTA.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Yeah, that happened a couple times at the Garden too. That works with a private security, on private property,it'll never work with NYC and the MTA.

It could, if they make it the law. Not much different than the cops and other government entities using license plate readers on public roadways. I am not a fan of it, but it exists already.

 

[stokes]

It could, if they make it the law.

Thats laughable. Have you ever ridden the NYC subway? A lot different than highway patrol reading license plated.You'll need about 20 cops at each train station and they will have to nab him at the turnstile, once they get past it and onto the platform, they are gone.

 

[Truebeliever]

They tried to ban people from mass transit before. The courts said no. And even if they did, good luck enforcing it.

 

[Rocpo]

It could, if they make it the law. Not much different than the cops and other government entities using license plate readers on public roadways. I am not a fan of it, but it exists already.

Not quite. License plates are issued by the state, thus their property. Your face isn't.

 

[CaseHardened]

How long before Republicans are identified as too dangerous to use Public Transport ?

 

[Acer-m14]

shut down the MTA .. look at all the money we could save ..

walking is healthy

 

[spat]

IDK about that. Just recently, Radio City Music Hall (in NYC no less)was in the news (a NY Post article as I recall) over this exact thing. They scan the faces of everyone entering. And they saw a woman lawyer (or maybe a paralegal?) who worked for a law firm that was suing them. In mere moments, they caught up to her in the lobby, and trespassed her ass off the property. She was there with her kids and a bunch of other school age kids to see a performance.

They let the kids in, but kicked her ass out. Here is the article:

James Dolan uses facial software to boot lawyer he hates from Radio City

The humiliated Girl Scout mother got caught up in James Dolan’s creepy crackdown on attorneys.

nypost.com

Orwell was am optimist.

The shit that's going on today would wake him up screaming in terror.

 

[spat]

Thats laughable. Have you ever ridden the NYC subway? A lot different than highway patrol reading license plated.You'll need about 20 cops at each train station and they will have to nab him at the turnstile, once they get past it and onto the platform, they are gone.

Facial recognition cameras would be everywhere.

They would literally have a real time app showing where he is.

You could duck into the crowd, but the officer would just have an APP showing him with a big red circle around him.

He could duck into a train, and they'd have cameras there, and just some more officers waiting at the next stop.

If you think they can't do this, they *are* doing it in China today, the UK isn't too far behind.


Wear a mask, and they'll still identify you by the way you walk. "gait recognition" is a thing.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[stokes]

You could duck into the crowd, but the officer would just have an APP showing him with a big red circle around him.

Thats assuming you triple the size of the police force. That aint happening.

 

[spat]

Thats assuming you triple the size of the police force. That aint happening.

No, probably half the force. Just about 20x as many cameras.

Cops would literally just go from arrest to arrest.

You'd finish the paperwork on one and your computer would send you to pick up the next guy and give you his exact location.

They'd probably keep metrics on how long it takes you per arrest. It'd be like pizza delivery in reverse. "30 mins or you get written up".

 

[stokes]

No, probably half the force. Just about 20x as many cameras.

Cops would literally just go from arrest to arrest.

You'd finish the paperwork on one and your computer would send you to pick up the next guy and give you his exact location.

They'd probably keep metrics on how long it takes you per arrest. It'd be like pizza delivery in reverse. "30 mins or you get written up".

You got high hopes. You obviously never rode the subway in NY, you have no idea of the volume of traffic or the size of the subway system in NYC. Heres a scenario. Banned guy gets on at Greenpoint Ave. You, the cop, get the alert. You are at the entrance on Greenpoint ave, by the time you get down to the platform he jumps on the train and you luckily get on the same train, 3 cars behind the guy. By the time you wade thru the crowds to the car the guy us in, most trains have 6 to 10 cars,he jumps off the next stop and by the time you get the alert that he's at the Nassau ave station you're in the tunnel heading for the next stop. On a typical work day in NY you will have the entire police dept in the subway chasing themselves. Its not at all like the situation in the Garden and Radio city. They were picking out attorneys or people connected to lawsuits against the venue, a handful of people in just 2 locations, in the subway you will be chasing thousands of "banned" people over thousands of locations, impossible to do.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Just release a bunch of these in the subway.

 

[spat]

You got high hopes. You obviously never rode the subway in NY, you have no idea of the volume of traffic or the size of the subway system in NYC. Heres a scenario. Banned guy gets on at Greenpoint Ave. You, the cop, get the alert. You are at the entrance on Greenpoint ave, by the time you get down to the platform he jumps on the train and you luckily get on the same train, 3 cars behind the guy. By the time you wade thru the crowds to the car the guy us in, most trains have 6 to 10 cars,he jumps off the next stop and by the time you get the alert that he's at the Nassau ave station you're in the tunnel heading for the next stop. On a typical work day in NY you will have the entire police dept in the subway chasing themselves. Its not at all like the situation in the Garden and Radio city. They were picking out attorneys or people connected to lawsuits against the venue, a handful of people in just 2 locations, in the subway you will be chasing thousands of "banned" people over thousands of locations, impossible to do.

Only if the people running the system are morons.

How about this.

You have a couple cops waiting at some station.

They get an alert when a guy gets off at the station they're already in to pick him up.

If they miss him somehow they don't chase him onto another station, they go back to waiting for the next guy, someone else will get him when he gets to the next one.


Or they just let the bad guys cruse around the subway all day, but they have to come up for air someplace.

The system is following *all* the bad guys all the time. It can predict where they're getting off with a high degree of certainty.

It doesn't just tell you where they are, it tells you where they've been, and where they're probably heading too.

You get an alert that a guy that's wanted is coming up from the station that you're waiting outside. You know what part of the crowd he's in, know to the second when he's going to see daylight, and already know what direction he's planning on going when he gets out.

You don't chase people around, that's stupid. That would be like hunting by chasing a deer through the woods while shooting at it.

You setup people waiting to pick them up at points and times you know they will be.

It's the power that would be available from the near 24/7 tracking such a system would provide. No more guess work.


Now, personally I do not trust the government with that much power, I don't think it should be allowed at all, but I also know that is absolutely where we are headed.

 

[stokes]

So you have a cop or a group of cops at every station? Do you have any idea how many stations there are in NYC? Its also not a case of looking for one guy. There will likely be thousands of banned riders entering the system at a time,all day long. And we havent even discussed the bus routes. So you got thousands of cops assigned to track whats gonna be a trespassing charge. Know what you get for trespassing in NY? They may well pass such a stupid law, but it will never work.

 

[Willyone]

Crime isn't and criminals aren't banned in NY subways or anywhere else in NY, so what makes anyone think "dangerous" people would be banned?

 

[Jmac00]

simple solution?

We need to be like Chyna, and have a social credit score, with 40,000 cameras doing facial recognition. That way if you try to use public transit to leave your Pod, you'll get arrested and put in jail. <sarcasm>

 

[dwa12479]

The MTA can't even make sure everyone pays a fare to enter, much less have a blacklist effectively enforced.

 

[pshift]

They SHOULD NOT BAN these people. They are the paid entertainernment!!!

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

If they pay taxes and you get banned from using the thing you’re getting taxed for…….. yeah that doesn’t add up.

 

[Truebeliever]

Facial recognition cameras would be everywhere.

They would literally have a real time app showing where he is.

You could duck into the crowd, but the officer would just have an APP showing him with a big red circle around him.

He could duck into a train, and they'd have cameras there, and just some more officers waiting at the next stop.

If you think they can't do this, they *are* doing it in China today, the UK isn't too far behind.


Wear a mask, and they'll still identify you by the way you walk. "gait recognition" is a thing.

Do you really want that? I thought you were against even license plates? Now you want the government to use facial recognition software to track people ?
“ gait recognition “isn’t there yet that it can identify a person from a large database in the same manner as facial recognition or fingerprints. Gaits can change almost instantly either through conscious effort , injury or just a pebble in his shoe.