NY politicians want an "extreme risk protection order"
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Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
what is that? Is that like "DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION"
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
BWHAHAHAHAHA, ya right, that just made my whole day, BWHAHAHAHA
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
How long is "Temporary"? A day? A Week? Six Months? A year or more? Who is considered "extreme risk"? Who makes that arbitrary designation? Even mental health professionals will admit that they are very bad at predicting who will and will not commit violence to themselves or others.
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
As if vindictive ex’s didn’t have enough to use.... this is only going to get abused. No good will come of this.
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Bigfoot
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It seems to me anyways, that pretty much everyday lately, when I click on the politics & law section.
That there is more bad news, more asinine things coming out of Albany. It's happening on a daily basis with no let up.
On a daily basis it seems like more of our rights are being taken away... Or more money is being stolen from us.
It's like Albany is a run away train that's out of control, and it's time for me to convince the wife once and for all that we need to get the fuck out of NYS... She says that she doesn't want to move away from her family... I tell her that's what commercial jets are for.
That there is more bad news, more asinine things coming out of Albany. It's happening on a daily basis with no let up.
On a daily basis it seems like more of our rights are being taken away... Or more money is being stolen from us.
It's like Albany is a run away train that's out of control, and it's time for me to convince the wife once and for all that we need to get the fuck out of NYS... She says that she doesn't want to move away from her family... I tell her that's what commercial jets are for.
The only thing about this is the fact the state will be bankrupt by the time I move out and California will be owned by China and bankrupted.
is an extreme risk to our rights in NY. Better lock him up.
Rights are only those things that you are willing to bleed and draw blood over.
Exonautic
.308 Win
And yet I see no blood in NY, the rivers should be running red.
Now is not the time. Installation of the next democrat president is.
I found the proposed bill online and read it. Ugh!
Opposed to it to start with, but among the low points:
Anyone who files against you can have their names redacted. So, when you get served with one of these, you don’t know who is behind it. How the hell are you supposed to hire a lawyer; go to court in 3 or 6 days and be ready to defend yourself properly?
They can be filed with the court “ex parte”,- completely behind your back.
Turn in your guns the very same day you get served, or the cops have the right to come to your home the very next day and search and seize all firearms...
There is absolutely no recourse against anyone who files a false claim against you.
I can attest first hand that being dragged through the false accusation mill where your permit is suspended and you have to go to court to defend yourself when you have no idea of who or what you have been accused of is no damn picnic. And then there is the fun part of trying to get your guns back from the cops...
When this passes, you can be absolutely certain that gun owners with vindictive ex’s and anyone else with a grudge against them, will be dealing with this kind of shit way too often.
Opposed to it to start with, but among the low points:
Anyone who files against you can have their names redacted. So, when you get served with one of these, you don’t know who is behind it. How the hell are you supposed to hire a lawyer; go to court in 3 or 6 days and be ready to defend yourself properly?
They can be filed with the court “ex parte”,- completely behind your back.
Turn in your guns the very same day you get served, or the cops have the right to come to your home the very next day and search and seize all firearms...
There is absolutely no recourse against anyone who files a false claim against you.
I can attest first hand that being dragged through the false accusation mill where your permit is suspended and you have to go to court to defend yourself when you have no idea of who or what you have been accused of is no damn picnic. And then there is the fun part of trying to get your guns back from the cops...
When this passes, you can be absolutely certain that gun owners with vindictive ex’s and anyone else with a grudge against them, will be dealing with this kind of shit way too often.
Well in today's age, we see the full effects of guilty until proven innocent... Look at all the people outing so called sexual predators. Could you imagine? And employers releasing personnel only on allegations, no charges even. Simply amazing and it follows suit that these empty suit politicians would enact laws which prescribe the same and endorse such actions. You know, for safety sake!
Think about it. Anybody with an axe to grind can make up any BS accusation,- and you’re going to get dragged through the system and have you firearms taken and your gun rights suspended with ABSOLUTELY ZERO PROOF OF WRONGDOING!Well in today's age, we see the full effects of guilty until proven innocent... Look at all the people outing so called sexual predators. Could you imagine? And employers releasing personnel only on allegations, no charges even. Simply amazing and it follows suit that these empty suit politicians would enact laws which prescribe the same and endorse such actions. You know, for safety sake!
In a nasty divorce or a verbal dispute with an asshole neighbor, all it is going to take is for that person to allege a threat, or to claim that they think you MIGHT do something, and “poof”, - you’re in the grinder!
And good luck trying to prove something didn’t happen,- especially when it is their word against your word. Because now, - you’re the RESPONDENT, and they’re the COMPLAINANT. Even worse,- YOU’RE the gun owner!
And what’s worse, is that they will get off scott free, as there is no penalty for making a false accusation. NONE!
Like I said,- been there done that. Went to court without knowing who or what I was even accused of. Fortunately, I was able to prove my innocence to the judge, as well as proving that the accusations against me were made by people who had lied under oath no less. Still took me almost 6 months to get my guns back as it was.
The way this law is written, I think more gun owners than not will end up losing their gun rights for a year or more because they will be unable to prove that something didn’t happen.
Nowadays, if someone fucks with me, I keep my mouth shut and say absolutely nothing to them. No matter how I feel.
So, I see many people on this Forum are against this idea. I am as well. Not just from the Legal standpoint of it. The whole violation of Guaranteed Rights and all.
There will be many that will support these types of laws due to their own ignorance and "Feel Good" attitude towards life. You all know the ones that are like that. These are the people who deep down inside really believe that the Government is there to protect people from themselves. If that were the case, hell, I might support some of these actions. (I'm kidding)
Let us look deeper into this:
You daughter goes out on a date with a guy that you do not care for. You inform her, she is grounded for a month. She gets pissed off and calls the Police saying that you, the father, is out of control AND you are a gun owner. Coppers come and take your guns. You spend lots of money to prove you are fine to be a gun owner.
You have an ex who does not like you. A week before Deer season, she calls the cops and makes up all kinds of stories about you. Again, Police come and remove all firearms from your home. No guns, no deer meat.
As these gun owners go through the Courts, there is never a guarantee that you will be found to be okay. What happens to the guns? Do you get the value of what they are worth? Who pays that money? Are you ever allowed to have guns again?
Are these types of laws gonna get ruled on quickly by the Higher Courts? Can we have a shred of confidence that the Courts are going to interpret the Constitution correctly?
We sure are living in interesting times.
There will be many that will support these types of laws due to their own ignorance and "Feel Good" attitude towards life. You all know the ones that are like that. These are the people who deep down inside really believe that the Government is there to protect people from themselves. If that were the case, hell, I might support some of these actions. (I'm kidding)
Let us look deeper into this:
You daughter goes out on a date with a guy that you do not care for. You inform her, she is grounded for a month. She gets pissed off and calls the Police saying that you, the father, is out of control AND you are a gun owner. Coppers come and take your guns. You spend lots of money to prove you are fine to be a gun owner.
You have an ex who does not like you. A week before Deer season, she calls the cops and makes up all kinds of stories about you. Again, Police come and remove all firearms from your home. No guns, no deer meat.
As these gun owners go through the Courts, there is never a guarantee that you will be found to be okay. What happens to the guns? Do you get the value of what they are worth? Who pays that money? Are you ever allowed to have guns again?
Are these types of laws gonna get ruled on quickly by the Higher Courts? Can we have a shred of confidence that the Courts are going to interpret the Constitution correctly?
We sure are living in interesting times.
Dinkus the Stinkus
.44 mag
Our country is working to get rid of the second amendment, meanwhile the Czechs are working to pass a similar amendment to protect their rights to own firearms...
I know this seems to be about the Second Amendment, you know, taking guns and all. This goes so far beyond one amendment. The 4th, the 5th, the 14th as well as a few others. It's a violation of the 10th and let us not forget the 9th.
Too many people get hung up on one right. There are many more that they are stripping us of that hold more weight than the second
Dinkus the Stinkus
.44 mag
You're absolutely right. However those others become much easier to get rid of once you disarm the population. That is why many appear to be hung up on just the second amendment. The entire bill of rights is important but the right to bear arms exists to ensure that the other rights do not get infringed upon.
@Dinkus the Stinkus , oh, I fully understand that. While the fight for the second is somewhat strong, we as a people need to fight for all of them. At the same time. All of our Rights are symbiotic.
I suggest that every firearm owner in NY read these two bills to see exactly what we are facing. It is some scary shit as far as I am concerned.
Here is the Assembly Bill A3661 as proposed: NY State Assembly Bill A3661
Here is the Senate Bill S4824 as proposed: NY State Senate Bill S4824
It's enough to make you hurl chunks.
Here is the Assembly Bill A3661 as proposed: NY State Assembly Bill A3661
Here is the Senate Bill S4824 as proposed: NY State Senate Bill S4824
It's enough to make you hurl chunks.
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misunderestimated
.223 Rem
2 days away from the mandatory state police pistol recertification so all the guns ,address,names are updated correctly and they are working on the new laws to remove them from you
Dinkus the Stinkus
.44 mag
Sure seems like they would rather people leave for other states than stay in this one...