NY veteran facing 21 years for having standard Glock magazines

[SteyrAug]

Spat, if you think NY is the same a Stalinist Russia, you really flunked world history.

The judge does NOT tell the jury to convict, he explains the law(s) bearing on the case. This fellow BROKE the law. If you think LAWBREAKERS should be given a pass because their crime involves guns, you sliding down the slope into chaos. Have you ever served on a criminal jury ?

 

[GOYABEAN]

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[GOPerfect]

Spat, if you think NY is the same a Stalinist Russia, you really flunked world history.

The judge does NOT tell the jury to convict, he explains the law(s) bearing on the case. This fellow BROKE the law. If you think LAWBREAKERS should be given a pass because their crime involves guns, you sliding down the slope into chaos. Have you ever served on a criminal jury ?

I will chime in on your last question...

While I agree, this man made a decision, all by himself, to break the current laws of NY State. This is not what is disputed, what our issue is, the current laws are not Constitutional. We have an issue with the way the courts decide how to rape our Rights. SCOTUS is full of pansies who refuse to rule on the laws like the SAFE Act and others.

Our issue is that Police and the Court personal swear an Oath to the Constitution and break that Oath each and everyday.

BTW, I see how the courts are run each and everyday, yeah, the Judge, through his decisions and his actions during a trial really does dictate the outcomes of verdicts.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Still waiting for the "free willie" fund to be started here. Don't ask me, "don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

Even a "renta-a-cop" should have know he was breaking the law.

Believe it should be "known." Unless you are quoting someone again.You know, this is just my humble opinion of course, but you seem to really go over the top insulting some on here that you disagree with. Not sure why you have to go into attack/insult mode instead of just agreeing to disagree.

 

[GOPerfect]

Believe it should be "known." Unless you are quoting someone again.

I am still wondering who the Rent a cop is?

 

[Dr. Evil]

I am still wondering who the Rent a cop is?

I think he is insulting holdover.

 

[spat]

Spat, if you think NY is the same a Stalinist Russia, you really flunked world history.

The judge does NOT tell the jury to convict, he explains the law(s) bearing on the case. This fellow BROKE the law. If you think LAWBREAKERS should be given a pass because their crime involves guns, you sliding down the slope into chaos. Have you ever served on a criminal jury ?

I think the lawbreakers are the ones who passed that law.

If I were on the jury I would not convict him, a law that is in conflict with the constitution is null and void.

The judge would undoubtedly give instructions to the contrary, effectively instructing the jury to convict.

We may not be in Stalinist Russia yet, but that is *exactly* how it worked there too (at least when they wanted to add an air of legitimacy to proceedings).

 

[Acer-m14]

I have seen vids of judges telling the jury you must ... try bringing up jury nullification in a trial you will get your ARSE booted from the room

if i was on his jury i would jury nullification because i know of it but i wouldn't tell a single person my intention ..

 

[@thewheels]

A jury of this man's peers would not have convicted him.

 

[SteyrAug]

Sadly, he wasn't able to have a jury of dumb rent-a-cops who don't obey the law.

Acer if you WERE on the jury and voted not guilty, a new jury would have been convened and him found guilty. Too much riding on the direct SAFE act violation to let it slide.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Steyr, your trolling is not even funny anymore. When you click on the show ignored content, read this. Go F yourself!

 

[Dr. Evil]

Steyr, your trolling is not even funny anymore. When you click on the show ignored content, read this. Go F yourself!

Was it ever funny?

 

[SteyrAug]

Nope, very sad that a man destroyed his life over not being able to obey black letter law.

 

[nortatoga]

 

[Dr. Evil]

Nope, very sad that a man destroyed his life over not being able to obey black letter law.

IMHO, what you wrote above is really what's sad..

 

[NY Leatherneck]

BTW, I see how the courts are run each and everyday, yeah, the Judge, through his decisions and his actions during a trial really does dictate the outcomes of verdicts.

This ^^^^^^^

 

[spat]

Sadly, he wasn't able to have a jury of dumb rent-a-cops who don't obey the law.

Acer if you WERE on the jury and voted not guilty, a new jury would have been convened and him found guilty. Too much riding on the direct SAFE act violation to let it slide.

LOL, new jury because the existing one didn't give the result the state wants, and you have the gall to call this guy the law breaker ?

 

[GOPerfect]

Sadly, he wasn't able to have a jury of dumb rent-a-cops who don't obey the law.

Acer if you WERE on the jury and voted not guilty, a new jury would have been convened and him found guilty. Too much riding on the direct SAFE act violation to let it slide.

Me, I am sorry that he was not judged by a jury of his peers that understood and respected the Constitution.

 

[@thewheels]

Sadly, he wasn't able to have a jury of dumb rent-a-cops who don't obey the law.

I was actually referring to gun owners in general who hold the constitution and the 2a as the true authority in these matters.
Has nothing to do with dumb, smart or any LE otherwise.
Also, it's not like the courts all the way up to SCOTUS aren't compromised. They are simply other political bodies and are as subjective as the legislature.
The justus system failed here.

 

[SteyrAug]

"gun owners in general" would be instructed by the judge as to the laws bearing on the case. If they ignored his instructions, he could set aside the verdict.

The state could also appeal the ruling and would win a new trial.

Sad that you just cannot come to grips with the fact that this guy violated black letter law. You cannot change a law you dislike by finding a criminal not guilty.

Either you believe in a represenative republic or you don't. I do and would vote guilty as charged.

 

[MilesTeg]

"gun owners in general" would be instructed by the judge as to the laws bearing on the case. If they ignored his instructions, he could set aside the verdict.

The state could also appeal the ruling and would win a new trial.

Sad that you just cannot come to grips with the fact that this guy violated black letter law. You cannot change a law you dislike by finding a criminal not guilty.

Either you believe in a represenative republic or you don't. I do and would vote guilty as charged.

We don't have a representative republic we have a constitutional republic. Which by its nature is suppose to protect the common man. The system is broken and is acting like a democracy and steam rolling the little guy. If your OK bending your knee to your king go a head but don't tell me I'm in the wrong for resisting tyranny.

 

[SteyrAug]

So Miles when can we expect to see you leading your fellow outraged gun owners to set things right ?

We have no King, not even close. The voters of NY elected Cuomo and his flunkies. They won, you lost ...... as we try to tell Hillary: "get over it."

NY will not change, PERIOD !

 

[MilesTeg]

I will agree NY won't change but that doesn't make it right. At one time the Nazi's were in power were they in the right? Just because we've elected officials doesn't make it correct. The human race has tried that many times before and they all failed. Because of how terrible a democracy fails our founders sought a better system. I think they came came up with a better system, it's not perfect but it's the best our Rafe has ever came up with. Now our elected officials are violating our governing documents and instead of calling a spade a spade your accepting the corrupt people's words on what is morally correct.

If you desire a more accurate analogy to the given situation I will give you one. Just like now with some states allowing for standard capacity magazines and some dealing owning them illegal. We have a very familiar situation in our countries past and that is slavery. Some states allowed it and some deemed it illegal. Now if I was to follow your response above we should have allowed the southern states to own slaves because the elected representatives that supported that view even though it's in direct violation of human rights.

As far as you comment about what I'm doing how about you focus about what your doing to help the cause. I don't come on here to swing my dick around to show how bad as I am. I wrote a blank check for my life once before and the time might come once again but not because of your goading.

 

[Glenn B]

All that is required here is that "we" come together and decide to fight back, for once. It will require a few $$$, as appeals are expensive, and Simeon will not win at the state level. Perhaps some protesting, too. None of us can make a difference alone, and a small group won't be able to do much either, unfortunately.

If "we" truly want to make a difference, our only hope is if ALL of us work together. It is the only way.

Go ahead and lead the charge, it is quite likely I will follow you and so will others. I attended a couple of mass protests in Albany with LIF Forum members. That was before I was banned from Long Island Firearms for writing FUAC in a post as far as I could figure. (Imagine that the, in my opinion, total hypocrite who runs that site sold T-shirts with those same 4 letters emblazoned on them along with the LIF logo but his mods banned me for putting it into a post.) I would be glad to join in a protest over this if you could get enough interest going and you were to run it. In closing allow me to say: FUAC, FUAC, FUAC, and FUNY too.

 

[Acer-m14]

Bozo said: ↑
All that is required here is that "we" come together and decide to fight back, for once. It will require a few $$$, as appeals are expensive, and Simeon will not win at the state level. Perhaps some protesting, too. None of us can make a difference alone, and a small group won't be able to do much either, unfortunately.

If "we" truly want to make a difference, our only hope is if ALL of us work together. It is the only way.

2 very young girls got there gun laws change , they couldn't touch a pistol even under supervision in there state , now they can shoot and practice for there 3 gun fun .. it does not take a big group .. .. took them 4 years but they got it done ..

 

[spat]

"gun owners in general" would be instructed by the judge as to the laws bearing on the case. If they ignored his instructions, he could set aside the verdict.

The state could also appeal the ruling and would win a new trial.

Sad that you just cannot come to grips with the fact that this guy violated black letter law. You cannot change a law you dislike by finding a criminal not guilty.

Either you believe in a represenative republic or you don't. I do and would vote guilty as charged.

Your ignorance is showing, the state cannot appeal a not guilty verdict in a criminal trial. Its this little thing called double jeopardy, and its one of the few constitutional guarantees they still take seriously.

Also, you should read up a bit on jury nullification. They hate it, and have gotten pretty good at avoiding it, but it *is* still a thing.

 

[spat]

I will agree NY won't change but that doesn't make it right. At one time the Nazi's were in power were they in the right? Just because we've elected officials doesn't make it correct. The human race has tried that many times before and they all failed. Because of how terrible a democracy fails our founders sought a better system. I think they came came up with a better system, it's not perfect but it's the best our Rafe has ever came up with. Now our elected officials are violating our governing documents and instead of calling a spade a spade your accepting the corrupt people's words on what is morally correct.

If you desire a more accurate analogy to the given situation I will give you one. Just like now with some states allowing for standard capacity magazines and some dealing owning them illegal. We have a very familiar situation in our countries past and that is slavery. Some states allowed it and some deemed it illegal. Now if I was to follow your response above we should have allowed the southern states to own slaves because the elected representatives that supported that view even though it's in direct violation of human rights.

As far as you comment about what I'm doing how about you focus about what your doing to help the cause. I don't come on here to swing my dick around to show how bad as I am. I wrote a blank check for my life once before and the time might come once again but not because of your goading.

Kim Jong whatsis gets elected to lead north korea every 5 years. It takes more than that to make a government of the people....

 

[Acer-m14]

if a judge tell me i have to convict based on the evidence lets say 10/22 thumb hole stock .. i'm saying not guilty per 2A .. jurry null .. that law is not fair and if enough do it the law becomes null n void .. why they hate it so much ..

i would tell my lawyer to drop any person for a jury that does not have a pistol permit there not my peers .. i think the only thing that is good with FUAC's actions on ammo ID and PP's tied to drivers license .. how jury selection is done .. shhhhhhhhhh ..

 

[@thewheels]

"gun owners in general" would be instructed by the judge as to the laws bearing on the case. If they ignored his instructions, he could set aside the verdict. It's not ignoring his instructions - it's the jury doing their job.

The state could also appeal the ruling and would win a new trial. If they tried different charges they'd lose that trial too.

Sad that you just cannot come to grips with the fact that this guy violated black letter law. You cannot change a law you dislike by finding a criminal not guilty. You're right. You can't change the law but it is a toothless law in the face of jury nullification.

Either you believe in a represenative republic or you don't. I do and would vote guilty as charged. You're free to vote on a jury as you see fit but in doing so you're agreeing with the law? Do you actually agree with the Shaft er...I mean Safe act?

 

[SteyrAug]

The level of complete ignorance displayed here is almost beyond belief.

The jury doing their job is following the law NOT finding in favor of criminals.

It's not a toothless law. The DA would just appeal it and any NY court would toss the verdict out and order a new trial.

You twits better hope you never have a crime committed against you and a jury decides yo deserved it and lets the felon go.

"dumb-de-dumb-dumb"