spat
.950 JDJ
2 world wars appointed US policeman of the world.
We got tired of that shit, so we put a stop to it.
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We got tired of that shit, so we put a stop to it.
Blimey
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You're getting off track. Any country that doesn't let its people leave freely is a shithole. That is a very basic, and consistent metric of a shithole country. It's just a prison with more fresh air. Soviets didn't let people leave because they knew they were desperate to do so. You can always look at immigration flow to determine which countries are the shitty ones.
spat
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Shithole countries build walls (physical or legal) to keep people in.
Good countries build walls to keep people out.
Countries without walls don't exist for long.
It is a very simple and accurate metric.
We stayed on the sidelines for most of the fighting in two world war. Got in at the end to assert influence. UN, not NATO was created to prevent future world wars.
Shithole countries is a term which refers to developing 3rd world countries. Most of them you can leave freely if someone wants to take you. You don't have a point.
Soviet union grocery store:
American grocery store:
When Boris Yeltsin went grocery shopping in Clear Lake
In 1989 Russian president Boris Yeltsin's wide-eyed trip to a Clear Lake grocery store...www.chron.com
Enjoy, comrade.
When people left Soviet Union, the first thing they noticed is how awful the food tasted in the West. It looked good and delicious but tasted awful. Ham tasted like soap. Bologna was uneatable. Strawberries lacked the aroma. Peaches dry and tasted more like boiled potatoes. Bread like cotton. Chickens lacked the flavor. The common remark was, how can they eat this shit. Anyone who lived in the Soviet Union should remember, how these foods should taste. Yes there were shortages but for the most part, stores were stocked with better quality foods and very affordable. Bread was real bread. Cold cuts were fresh and appetizing. There were also private food markets where you could buy anything.
I understand that deteriorate toward the end of 80's, but my memory is stores well stocked with basics and markets full of delicious foods.
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There were American and British scientists who spied for the Soviets and the West was more than worried about that. Not praising anyone for spying, just hitting you back with facts.
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spat
.950 JDJ
NATO was created to fight the next war. The UN was created to moderate minor disagreements between the lesser countries. They have no real power over the major powers.
If you want to prevent a war, be prepared to fight it.
NATO did more to prevent WWIII than the UN ever thought of.
spat
.950 JDJ
Yes, they existed. The Rosenburgs being the most famous example. They would have been allowed to walk right over there anytime they wanted, except they were arrested for espionage.
If they had just moved to Moscow instead of leaking classified documents they would have lived out a typical miserable Soviet existence and lived a long life.
Yea, like I said, you know absolutely nothing. To reference your earlier post, I didn't cherry pick any negatives. There were too many to list. I just gave you a very brief summary. Want me to continue? We didn't have toilet paper. I have never seen it until I came here. No diapers. No tampons. No AC, hell, no window screens even. Foods not local to Russia did not exist. I didn't see a banana until the mid 90s. My grandmother lived in an apartment with no running hot water, no shower. Just a sink and toilet. That was the norm. Want to know what I thought about food when I came here? Ask me. My family was not not politically connected. We did not have access to the special stores. Let me give you a hint, it is nothing like the BS you wrote above.
Want to know how it really was? Here's a link. It's in Russian, but if you use Chrome, it will translate. I will vouch for the translation, it's on point.
Как выглядели магазины в СССР и что можно было в них купить
Дефицит в Советском Союзе — как это было.
charter97.org
This is exactly how it was for the average Russian. How I remember it. You can learn from it, or you can remain ignorant. But don't give me the "good immigrant" nonsense. You have no idea how good you have it. Like another poster said, you don't like it, leave. But go to Cuba or Venezuela, not Europe. Of course you will not do that, none of you clowns ever do. Because deep down, you are full of it.
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Blimey
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Shithole countries is a term which refers to shithole countries.
spat
.950 JDJ
Not all poor countries are shitholes.
If people are free to leave, then it's probably not a shithole. If it was, they would all leave.
Yea, like I said, you know absolutely nothing. To reference your earlier post, I didn't cherry pick any negatives. There were too many to list. I just gave you a very brief summary. Want me to continue? We didn't have toilet paper. I have never seen it until I came here. No diapers. No tampons. No AC, hell, no window screens even. Foods not local to Russia did not exist. I didn't see a banana until the mid 90s. My grandmother lived in an apartment with no running hot water, no shower. Just a sink and toilet. That was the norm. Want to know what I thought about food when I came here? Ask me. My family was not not politically connected. We did not have access to the special stores. Let me give you a hint, it is nothing like the BS you wrote above.
Want to know how it really was? Here's a link. It's in Russian, but if you use Chrome, it will translate. I will vouch for the translation, it's on point.
Как выглядели магазины в СССР и что можно было в них купить
Дефицит в Советском Союзе — как это было.
This is exactly how it was for the average Russian. How I remember it. You can learn from it, or you can remain ignorant. But don't give me the "good immigrant" nonsense. You have no idea how good you have it. Like another poster said, you don't like it, leave. But go to Cuba or Venezuela, not Europe. Of course you will not do that, none of you clowns ever do. Because deep down, you are full of it.
Again, you are cherry picking late 1980's. I left Soviet Union in 1975, lived in Odessa. The stores were fully stocked, 4-5 types of bread delivered daily, often still warm from the oven, cold cuts freshly made without any additives. You can't even get them like that in specialty stores here. Baked goods, pastries that tasted like pastries, not salted crap they sell here in the supermarket. All sorts of candy, delicious cakes.
In fact store food there was so good compering to U.S., importation and production of it here became a booming business with dozens of stores opening in Russian communities, throughout NYC, in other cities as well. Most of prepared foods sold in the supermarkets here are garbage.
Cities had indoor pluming, in the country people used wells and outhouses.
Living quarters varied from dormitories to nice apartments and the rent was next to nothing. People didn't stay awake at night worrying how are they going to pay the rent or end up homeless if they couldn't. There were private houses and co-ops as well.
There were a few huge stores in every city and smaller stores in every neighborhood. Also inexpensive cafeterias and restaurants.
Shots from the Soviet Supermarket - English Russia
englishrussia.com
Very well. Since you're from Ukraine, and you left in 1975 as you claim, you can certainly read Russian. So you can read the article I linked to in it's original, untranslated form.Again, you are cherry picking late 1980's. I left Soviet Union in 1975, lived in Odessa. The stores were fully stocked, 4-5 types of bread delivered daily, often still warm from the oven, cold cuts freshly made without any additives. You can't even get them like that in specialty stores here. Baked goods, pastries that tasted like pastries, not salted crap they sell here in the supermarket. All sorts of candy, delicious cakes.
In fact store food there was so good compering to U.S., importation and production of it here became a booming business with dozens of stores opening in Russian communities, throughout NYC, in other cities as well. Most of prepared foods sold in the supermarkets here are garbage.
Cities had indoor pluming, in the country people used wells and outhouses.
Living quarters varied from dormitories to nice apartments and the rent was next to nothing. People didn't stay awake at night worrying how are they going to pay the rent or end up homeless if they couldn't. There were private houses and co-ops as well.
There were a few huge stores in every city and smaller stores in every neighborhood. Also inexpensive cafeterias and restaurants.
Shots from the Soviet Supermarket - English Russia
Interesting thing about the Soviet planned economy...it was all planned. Cities like Moscow, Kiev, Odessa, and the like were considerably better supplied than others. These were capital cities, or tourist cities, or cities that hosted foreign dignitaries. Let me ask you, even during the worst financial crises of our time in the US, have you ever seen Soviet 1980s conditions in the US? That kind of system was never sustainable and was always doomed to fail. I find it funny that you accuse me of cherrypicking the 1980s, and you don't even realize that you are undermining your own argument. We have been around since 1776. And until recently, we were going strong. You know, until the socialists started to take hold of the levers of power here. The Soviet union was born in 1918 or so, and died in 1991. 73 years. One generation. A person could be alive both before and after the Soviet Union. And it started to collapse a decade before, which is about the only thing you got right. Let's also not forget the millions who were killed before WW2 ever started. My grandmother was alive during the holodomor. But you had "delicious food" in Odessa. All the shit we are going through right now is the result of the push towards socialism.
And again, you are here. You fled the Soviet Union as you claim. If you are unhappy, leave. Go back to Russia, go to Cuba, got to Venezuela. If things are so bad here, there are many places that are much more ideologically aligned with your views.
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holdover
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And no minorities
Over 120 different ethnic minorities, give or take.
I don't have time now to answer this drivel. Have to get ready for rifle match tomorrow. Soviet Union wasn't created in 1918 and 1932 famine was long before I was born. You are conflating God knows what with God knows when.
spat
.950 JDJ
"The Soviet Union had its roots in the October Revolution of 1917 when the Bolsheviks, headed by Vladimir Lenin, overthrew the Provisional Government that had earlier replaced the house of Romanov of the Russian Empire. They established the Russian Soviet Republic, the world's first constitutionally guaranteed socialist state.[q]"
Soviet Union - Wikipedia
But I suppose that's all just western propaganda too, and only you know the super secret real history.
No, he is just obviously on some kind of illegal "medication" and glorifying things he knows nothing about.
that he lived in the Ukraine, I'm assuming as a kid, and had all he could eat just tells me his family was either one of the "elite" class, or they suffered in silence so he could have food and he was too ignorant, then and now, to realize it.
And, by not immediately trying to return to Mother Russia and restore her to her "former glory", he puts the lie to everything he says about how glorious it was. If it was so wonderful, why did you leave? Why did you not immediately try to return when you were of age, or when you discovered how bad it was in the States?
to accuse someone who LIVED through that of "cherry picking" when all he does is cherry pick, and badly, and try to re-write history is laughable.
His ignorance is staggering, his chutzpah even more so.
but that kind of defines "internet troll", doesn't it.
spat
.950 JDJ
I don't think he's a troll. I think he really believes what he's saying.
That is the *only* thing that makes him not a troll.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Sounds amazing. Why did all of it end? Why did these people who experienced the superior communist way of life accept its demise, when it's so nice?Again, you are cherry picking late 1980's. I left Soviet Union in 1975, lived in Odessa. The stores were fully stocked, 4-5 types of bread delivered daily, often still warm from the oven, cold cuts freshly made without any additives. You can't even get them like that in specialty stores here. Baked goods, pastries that tasted like pastries, not salted crap they sell here in the supermarket. All sorts of candy, delicious cakes.
In fact store food there was so good compering to U.S., importation and production of it here became a booming business with dozens of stores opening in Russian communities, throughout NYC, in other cities as well. Most of prepared foods sold in the supermarkets here are garbage.
Cities had indoor pluming, in the country people used wells and outhouses.
Living quarters varied from dormitories to nice apartments and the rent was next to nothing. People didn't stay awake at night worrying how are they going to pay the rent or end up homeless if they couldn't. There were private houses and co-ops as well.
There were a few huge stores in every city and smaller stores in every neighborhood. Also inexpensive cafeterias and restaurants.
Shots from the Soviet Supermarket - English Russia
spat
.950 JDJ
You know it's a great place to live when people build airships out of shower curtains and old motorcycles to escape.
All the best places have razorwire and machinegun nests to keep the inmates from getting out....
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It was so incredibly utopic that these people had to be kept in, lest they bring this exceptionally superior way of life to the USA. The soviets were very selfish with their methods and didn't want to share with the rest of the world
Nothing of substance, nothing to refute what I posted or linked. Just good'ol mud slinging. I don't explain my life plans and my life decisions to every asswipe on the internet.
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Uninformed and Compliant
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"The Soviet Union had its roots in the October Revolution of 1917 when the Bolsheviks, headed by Vladimir Lenin, overthrew the Provisional Government that had earlier replaced the house of Romanov of the Russian Empire. They established the Russian Soviet Republic, the world's first constitutionally guaranteed socialist state.[q]"
Soviet Union - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
But I suppose that's all just western propaganda too, and only you know the super secret real history.
He was off by 4 years on creation of the Soviet Union. It was in 1922, every Soviet schoolboy would know that.
spat
.950 JDJ
LOL, OK.
Because the founding of the Russian Soviet Republic didn't count as a *real* Soviet state until they assimilated a few of their neighbors. Check...
He said it was born in 1918. Not that it's official founding date was then.
Unless you are claiming that the Russian Soviet Republic was something other than the infant version of the USSR before it had started consuming its neighbors.
And you have never addressed the elephant in the room.
People try to escape from shitholes and move to non shitholes. Both sides will build walls to stop that. You can tell who is who by which way the machineguns face.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
My girlfriends father was a pastor with 9 kids... They ate oatmeal for every breakfast .. She said just the smell of it and she would almost vomit today...
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
THIS is the main reason for the drop....